In what way does KCM or BM increase speed / strength ?

[Vetox]

Well, in all simplicity I'm asking if KCM / BM adds to a persons base speed or multiplies it.

Hear me out.

Im saying that it doesnt do any of that.

I have 2 theories:

QUALITY AND QUANTITY:

Spoiler

We can assume that chakra has 2 factors. Quality and quantity.

Quality as in density of chakra. I think I heard Kabuto mention this when he first saw Sasuke.
Somthing like "That chakra, so dense."

So theoretically the two factors determining the quality of non-elemental chakra would be Density and Quantity.

Thee speed boost you get by using Chakra enhanced speed is determined by the Density of chakra and not Quantity of chakra.
That is only logical. Having a higher Quantity would only allow you to use chakra enhanced speed for a longer time. It makes sense that having Denser chakra would enable you to achieve a greater burst of speed.

Now, when a person uses KCM he basically shelves his own chakra and uses only the Bijuu's chakra.

So they only get to the speed which is allowed by the density of the Bijuu's chakra.

QUANTITY:

Spoiler

Or my first theory could be completely wrong and chakra could have only one factor. Quantity.

And a person can mould / compress his chakra onto whatever density he wishes.

In that case when he uses a Bijuu's chakra in KCM, he still would only be able to achieve the Maximum speed allowed by that quantity of chakra.

But this theory is basically refuted because in human form you cant compress chakra. As said by Bee.

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If any of these are true then speedwise,

KCM Minato = KCM Naruto.

an theoretically,

BM Minato = BM Naruto.

I will see if there are any manga reference pages to support this. If you can point me to a particular chapter that would be awesome.

So what do you think?

 

[A$AP Wap]

Minato > Naruto.​

 

[~MC117~]

Minato > Naruto.​

Just edo minato, I'm pretty sure that if naruto was fighting minato minato wouldn't be able to use his kyubi chakra since the fact that he is using it now may be just because kurama is allowing him to, just like he naruto.

 

[Troyg39]

It depends on the elasticity of the chakra. Density by itself does not affect speed

 

[Vetox]

Minato > Naruto.​

In raw speed without Kyuubi chakra without FTG. Yes.
With FTG Minato is only limited by his reflexes, which are amazingly good.

So FTG Minato is supposed to be faster than anyone else alive.

But Im talking about the general theory. Minato and Naruto were only taken as an example, for lack of any other users of KCM.

And about the speed of people using only the speed granted by KCM.

 

[Vetox]

It depends on the elasticity of the chakra. Density by itself does not affect speed

Elasticity in what sense?

Isn't elasticity just the amount of time you can use a certain chakra reserve before it runs out?
So if the elasticity is higher you will be able to use it longer but the amount of chakra being drawn from that reserve will be lower. And therefore the amount of chakra you can use into augmenting your speed at a time will be lower.

 

[Untung]

Well, in all simplicity I'm asking if KCM / BM adds to a persons base speed or multiplies it.

Hear me out.

Im saying that it doesnt do any of that.

I have 2 theories:

QUALITY AND QUANTITY:

Spoiler

We can assume that chakra has 2 factors. Quality and quantity.

Quality as in density of chakra. I think I heard Kabuto mention this when he first saw Sasuke.
Somthing like "That chakra, so dense."

So theoretically the two factors determining the quality of non-elemental chakra would be Density and Quantity.

Thee speed boost you get by using Chakra enhanced speed is determined by the Density of chakra and not Quantity of chakra.
That is only logical. Having a higher Quantity would only allow you to use chakra enhanced speed for a longer time. It makes sense that having Denser chakra would enable you to achieve a greater burst of speed.

Now, when a person uses KCM he basically shelves his own chakra and uses only the Bijuu's chakra.

So they only get to the speed which is allowed by the density of the Bijuu's chakra.

QUANTITY:

Spoiler

Or my first theory could be completely wrong and chakra could have only one factor. Quantity.

And a person can mould / compress his chakra onto whatever density he wishes.

In that case when he uses a Bijuu's chakra in KCM, he still would only be able to achieve the Maximum speed allowed by that quantity of chakra.

But this theory is basically refuted because in human form you cant compress chakra. As said by Bee.

-----

If any of these are true then speedwise,

KCM Minato = KCM Naruto.

an theoretically,

BM Minato = BM Naruto.

I will see if there are any manga reference pages to support this. If you can point me to a particular chapter that would be awesome.

So what do you think?

In what mode minato escape from raikage hit???
And in what mode naruto escape from raikage hit???

If you read the manga you will know it that your theory is wrong......

 

[Vetox]

In what mode minato escape from raikage hit???
And in what mode naruto escape from raikage hit???

If you read the manga you will know it that your theory is wrong......

Minato escaped from the Raikage's punch with FTG and super reflexes, not raw speed.

Naruto escaped the Raikage's punch with the speed boost from KCM.

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Raw speed Minato > Raw speed Naruto. For sure.
FTG Minato > KCM Naruto.
FTG Minato > BM Naruto.
But,
Raw speed Minato < KCM Naruto.

Now,
Most people agree that KCM Minato > KCM Naruto.
But my theory merely suggests that KCM Minato = KCM Naruto.

 

[johnnyindigo]

Minato escaped from the Raikage's punch with FTG and super reflexes, not raw speed.

Naruto escaped the Raikage's punch with the speed boost from KCM.

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Raw speed Minato > Raw speed Naruto. For sure.
FTG Minato > KCM Naruto.
FTG Minato > BM Naruto.
But,
Raw speed Minato < KCM Naruto.

Now,
Most people agree that KCM Minato > KCM Naruto.
But my theory merely suggests that KCM Minato = KCM Naruto.

The pure reflexes vs minato's ability to dodge is mere speculation

When Raikage attempted to speed blitz Minato he did multiple actions instead of simply dodging, He counterattacked

When Raikage was 1 in from Minato's face he was able to throw the kunai from his hip to Raikage's face
FTG to the tree, and FTG back to the Kunai, and by this time Raikage was just passing the kunai

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Minato is physically fast
Another feat is his use of Shunshin to catch baby Naruto falling

 

[Black Literati]

An interesting theory. Yes I do believe KCM Minato = KCM Naruto

 

[cptenn94]

Just edo minato, I'm pretty sure that if naruto was fighting minato minato wouldn't be able to use his kyubi chakra since the fact that he is using it now may be just because kurama is allowing him to, just like he naruto.

srry but this is incorrect. kurama was surprised when minato first entered kcm. If he was letting him, there would have been no shock at all.

But a regular minato would not be able to use kcm, unless somehow he survived the reaper seal, after sealing half of kurama.


but kcm mode minato>kcm naruto(regardless of if he is edo or not)

Bm naruto>kcm minato.

 

[Vetox]

The pure reflexes vs minato's ability to dodge is mere speculation

When Raikage attempted to speed blitz Minato he did multiple actions instead of simply dodging, He counterattacked

When Raikage was 1 in from Minato's face he was able to throw the kunai from his hip to Raikage's face
FTG to the tree, and FTG back to the Kunai, and by this time Raikage was just passing the kunai

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Minato is physically fast
Another feat is his use of Shunshin to catch baby Naruto falling

Yes, he is amazingly fast even without FTG.

Hence,
Raw speed Minato > Raw speed Naruto.

maybe
Raw speed Minato = / > KCM Naruto
But we will never know.

I'm just saying that KCM Minato = KCM naruto = KCM anyone else

 

[Vetox]

srry but this is incorrect. kurama was surprised when minato first entered kcm. If he was letting him, there would have been no shock at all.

But a regular minato would not be able to use kcm, unless somehow he survived the reaper seal, after sealing half of kurama.


but kcm mode minato>kcm naruto(regardless of if he is edo or not)

Bm naruto>kcm minato.

According to my theory:
KCM Minato = KCM Naruto = KCM anyone else (Edo or otherwise).

BM Naruto = BM Minato = BM anyone else.

Naruto could have a connection with the Chakra part within Minato. But I don't know if such a connection exists as the part within Minato doesn't have a consciousness.

In a filler arc in Naruto Shippuden. A pseudo jinchuuriki of the Kyuubi, Sora was able to sense when Naruto was in trouble.

But the Kyuubi inside Sora wasn't supposed to have a consciousness as well.

In all, there might be a connection between the two masses of chakra. But even if such a connection existed it would be tiny and definitely nowhere near to the point where Kurama can influence his chakra inside Minato.

An interesting theory. Yes I do believe KCM Minato = KCM Naruto

Thanks, much appreciated

Just in terms of speed. Or strength.

 

[johnnyindigo]

According to my theory:
KCM Minato = KCM Naruto = KCM anyone else (Edo or otherwise).

BM Naruto = BM Minato = BM anyone else.

Naruto could have a connection with the Chakra part within Minato. But I don't know if such a connection exists as the part within Minato doesn't have a consciousness.

In a filler arc in Naruto Shippuden. A pseudo jinchuuriki of the Kyuubi, Sora was able to sense when Naruto was in trouble.

But the Kyuubi inside Sora wasn't supposed to have a consciousness as well.

In all, there might be a connection between the two masses of chakra. But even if such a connection existed it would be tiny and definitely nowhere near to the point where Kurama can influence his chakra inside Minato.



Thanks, much appreciated

Just in terms of speed. Or strength.

Agreed. Minato is one of my more preferred characters but all it takes is 1 panel for the fanboy fapping to begin, really does not make me want to legitimize my like towards any character, which is why I try to be a unbiased as possible

In other news: Minato doesnt have BM, its like a fusion of the 2 looks like KCM w/ the magamatas

 

[Vetox]

Agreed. Minato is one of my more preferred characters but all it takes is 1 panel for the fanboy fapping to begin, really does not make me want to legitimize my like towards any character, which is why I try to be a unbiased as possible

In other news: Minato doesnt have BM, its like a fusion of the 2 looks like KCM w/ the magamatas

Yeap, that's a good rule to live by. Fanboyism isn't a very desirable character XD

I meant Hypothetical BM Minato