[Suggestion] Ban religion threads again

[avenged sevenfold]

It is the only solution I have in my mind and that's why i am discussing this problem publicly.
What you are saying can't happen because when you moderate an item this is what usually follows:

-Delete the thread.
-Scan through all the posts in it and infract/warn everything that is off rules.
-Reply to the message of the member who started the thread and is complaining now cause it's deleted.
-Read all pm replies to the infractions/warnings you gave.
-Keep explaining to the op that although we understand that his/her intentions were not to offend, other members made his/her thread impossible to keep open to the public.
-Message back those who complain about the 'unfair' infraction/warning they received.
-Get mad at people who have never read the rules but are calling you unfair for infracting them.
-Message them back again, pointing out the rules.
-Accept their apology.
.....
-Moderate new thread.

As you see for every rules breaking thread there's tons of work to be done. We don't just delete a thread, we have to deal with all the rest as well.



We cannot have mods only for religion threads. We could allow groups alone, but again new members would not bother and just post what they want.



We cannot do that. We have rules to follow as well.

why not just ban people who have a track record of causing flame wars on religious based threads from posting on such threads

 

[Donald J Trump]

Everyone has the right to discuss what they want.How come people can talk about how big your penis is and how fit girls are but not Jesus?If you are tierd just skip them or ignore them its not that hard.Kid in life you are going to see alot of things you don't like, your not going to be able to stop them all.Grow a pair...

 

[S A G E]

It is the only solution I have in my mind and that's why i am discussing this problem publicly.
What you are saying can't happen because when you moderate an item this is what usually follows:

-Delete the thread.
-Scan through all the posts in it and infract/warn everything that is off rules.
-Reply to the message of the member who started the thread and is complaining now cause it's deleted.
-Read all pm replies to the infractions/warnings you gave.
-Keep explaining to the op that although we understand that his/her intentions were not to offend, other members made his/her thread impossible to keep open to the public.
-Message back those who complain about the 'unfair' infraction/warning they received.
-Get mad at people who have never read the rules but are calling you unfair for infracting them.
-Message them back again, pointing out the rules.
-Accept their apology.
.....
-Moderate new thread.

As you see for every rules breaking thread there's tons of work to be done. We don't just delete a thread, we have to deal with all the rest as well.



We cannot have mods only for religion threads. We could allow groups alone, but again new members would not bother and just post what they want.



We cannot do that. We have rules to follow as well.

What about put the religion threads in the chatterbox and have the same moderators in that section oversee the religion forums as well. Based on my observation there is not a lot of chatterbox related forums daily anyways.
Also I assume that you could always move a forum to an appropriate section whenever these new members put it in the wrong section like you always do when someone put a versus threads in the Naruto discussion.
I hope that's not much of work than what is already being done.

 

[ziggyZ]

The topic of religion should not be banned. That is pregidous.
However,one should not be allowed to make a thread that bashes ones religion or make a thread when they clearly have no idea what there talking about and it ignites a war.I trust the mods to ascertain difference between which people that makes threads on religion solely for the arguments sake and the ones who truly want to have a intelligent conversation.

I wouldn't say it's prejudicial, because if it were banned, neither a thread regarding one religion, nor the other and even one regarding atheism should be allowed. Which means it doesn't discriminate against a certain religion. Hence it seems like a reasonable solution.

As for making one that doesn't bash the other. That is fine, until some idiot enters it and starts doing so without giving a shit about the rules and if they get banned. Hence, that'd be the wrong approach.

The solution is quite simple. If you don't like the thread, leave it alone and don't look at it or take part.

Such a philosophical solution.

Let me get this right this a manga discussion site so why do people discuss something like religion in it . its totally out out of subject

There's a section for everything. So no, it's not out of subject.

 

[Donald J Trump]

This is very much upsetting.If you are going to ban religous thread than ban talk about *** and gay people.
I have probabbly never made a thread about god and most of us don't but its still upseting that the world is trying to turn on religion.Its wierd because the English goverment is doing that too.Religion is a belief, so if people are allowed to have to belief of let say Sasuke>Naruto and talk about it, why can't they talk about God>Devil ect
BUT --> I agree to making a rule of banning people who to make you turn into their religion. I always see them and hate them.

 

[zene10]

Everyone has the right to discuss what they want.How come people can talk about how big your penis is and how fit girls are but not Jesus?If you are tierd just skip them or ignore them its not that hard.Kid in life you are going to see alot of things you don't like, your not going to be able to stop them all.Grow a pair...

they have the right to discuss it in special places and like Uchiha Usman stated kids can't absorb all the information about bashing deffrent religions and i'm sure most one in this site are kids

 

[Frankenstein]

This is very much upsetting.If you are going to ban religous thread than ban talk about *** and gay people.
I have probabbly never made a thread about god and most of us don't but its still upseting that the world is trying to turn on religion.Its wierd because the English goverment is doing that too.

Stop spamming this thread. You aren't proposing anything except a "Deal with it" attitude. This isn't a case of whether one is annoyed by these threads or not, it's a case of whether they lead to flame wars or not.

Also read the rules before you decide to reply. Threads that insult people's sexual orientation are already banned and you are comparing things that have nothing in common. Sexual orientation isn't a belief or a philosophy or whatever, it's just that ; sexual orientation.

 

[zene10]

I wouldn't say it's prejudicial, because if it were banned, neither a thread regarding one religion, nor the other and even one regarding atheism should be allowed. Which means it doesn't discriminate against a certain religion. Hence it seems like a reasonable solution.

As for making one that doesn't bash the other. That is fine, until some idiot enters it and starts doing so without giving a shit about the rules and if they get banned. Hence, that'd be the wrong approach.

Such a philosophical solution.There's a section for everything. So no, it's not out of subject.

i wasn't talking about this thread in particular i know we r talking to find a reasonable solution i was talking about bashing other religions treads

 

[Donald J Trump]

You are being very ignorant,you are tyring to find fault in my posts so you can hate since i disagreed.You could not find one so you say im spamming, ok than kid... ok.I would love to see where you go in life with that attitude.

 

[Aertes]

Normally,I would disagree with this suggestion.
I generally don't like setting limits in discussion topics since we have rules that if followed would keep those threads clean.But it seems that most members can't keep those rules and they tend to be more aggressive towards religious issues.
Also if someone wants to make a thread like that he will find a indirect way to do it,or spam his opinion on other unrelated threads (seen it happen so many times).
The best solution for me would be to increase the members of the staff so that they could follow and clean,not only this threads but all threads and stop deleting them as the fastest and easiest solution and throwing away good things because someone decided to act inappropriate on a thread.However,I understand that finding new staff, which will actually do his job, is hard and takes time so for the moment,banning them will be a good solution.
I strongly disagree with the "if you don't like them move on".If that was the solution then character bashing,self advertisement and other threads would be ok to exist,cause if someone wouldn't like them he could just move on.Same with all rules.Someone is bashing another member?You don't like,move on.But things won't work out good this way.

 

[Frankenstein]

You are being very ignorant,you are tyring to find fault in my posts so you can hate since i disagreed.You could not find one so you say im spamming, ok than kid... ok.I would love to see where you go in life with that attitude.

Wth are we roleplaying? Are you playing me? Cause if yes I should play you and I can't honestly.

 

[AllomnisymbolsparttwoT]

No! :I its kinda fun to people clawing each other down >

 

[Scarecrow.]

i voted for yes because I thought the question was, do you want them banned. So basically I meant to pick no.

OT: Of course they should be banned. They just create arguments and flame wars

 

[Jack Spicer]

Ban religious threads where flaming and arguments happen all the time? No way! We're NB. We ban character bashing threads were flaming and arguments happen all the time!


......Wait. Same logic. BAN EVERYTHING.


Eh, I agree with Lawliet.

 

[Vilvake]

Btw guys, Religious threads are banned. People just don't follow the rules.

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Scroll down to "Banned Topics."

 

[Frankenstein]

Btw guys, Religious threads are banned. People just don't follow the rules.

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Scroll down to "Banned Topics."

Then scroll down a bit more before using italics.

 

[HadouKage]

Btw guys, Religious threads are banned. People just don't follow the rules.

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Scroll down to "Banned Topics."

So are threads talking about other members, but ppl still do it :|

 

[ReeseKage]

All threads have titles on them that let's you know hat they're about. If you see a thread you don't like or have an interest in, don't click on it. I do it all the time with itachi vs threads. If I do come across a thread that I don't like after reading, I jus hit the back button. Ppl are gonna do whatever they want. It'll be an extreme hassle to try to limit or even control what ppl post. I see ppl posting about one piece and other mangas, I don't beg the mods to ban these threads, I jus don't click on em.

 

[Frankenstein]

Ban religious threads where flaming and arguments happen all the time? No way! We're NB. We ban character bashing threads were flaming and arguments happen all the time!


......Wait. Same logic. BAN EVERYTHING.


Eh, I agree with Lawliet.

Of course you do but her logic should have been different than yours.

All threads have titles on them that let's you know hat they're about. If you see a thread you don't like or have an interest in, don't click on it. I do it all the time with itachi vs threads. If I do come across a thread that I don't like after reading, I jus hit the back button. Ppl are gonna do whatever they want. It'll be an extreme hassle to try to limit or even control what ppl post. I see ppl posting about one piece and other mangas, I don't beg the mods to ban these threads, I jus don't click on em.

Again that point. I am not even reading them, I said that 10 times. And where exactly did you see me begging?

By your logic allow character bashing threads too.

 

[Pekoms]

Perhaps stickied threads can be made for each of the commonplace/major religions? Ex. [Discussion] Christianity
That would limit the amount of work the staff has to do if people decide to break the rules.

If not, I agree with the original poster.​