Jiraiya vs Kisame

[Smd]

kisame mid diff.

 

[Fodder#4]

Kisame mid diff, also I have proof sage chakra can be absorbed without turning into stone.

Hmm? Could you tell us this proof? This actually sounds. . Fairly interesting.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

no he didnt. and besides thats only in part 1. do you really think the power levels didnt change in the following 3 years?

You're right. He didn't know about Sage Mode.

I honestly can't see how people think Kisame can win. Jiraiya blitzed a Rinnegan user in SM and Kisame is nowhere near the visual acuity of Pain, nor does he have the speed and taijutsu abilities Pain has.

Daikoudan, Water Dome, those all require hand seals, whereas the first second of the fight is composed of Jiraiya blitzing Kisame with a Senpou Oodama Rasengan that turns him into mush.

 

[ReverseZero12]

no he didnt. and besides thats only in part 1. do you really think the power levels didnt change in the following 3 years?

They did change but it doesn't change anything about the situation. SM Jiraiya would tarnish Kisame. SM Jiraiya fought almost on par with six paths nagato. Kisame would not do nowhere near as well as Jiraiya did against him.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

They did change but it didn't change into Kisame's favour. SM Jiraiya would tarnish Kisame. SM Jiraiya fought almost on par with six paths nagato. Kisame would not do nowhere near as well as Jiraiya did against him.

That's ABC logic and honestly Preta Path can pretty much beat Kisame alone, but Kisame's techniques require handseals and Jiraiya already blitzed Pain twice.

 

[Zexion~]

...? can you show a scan of this supposed blitzing .. Jiraiya had to resort to his best move to take down the animal, human and preta path.

And no Kisame is skilled with Samehada,able to take down guy with it. Not to mention he can still change the battlefield to his advantage because if preta path did decide to absorb it the amount of time it would take to absorb it all would leave him wide open to attack

 

[pateuvasiliu]

And since when is water a moving detriment in Naruto?

If anything, you can walk on water even easier since it's flat, whereas a rocky terrain has bumps.

as for blitzing.

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[Zexion~]

And since when is water a moving detriment in Naruto?

If anything, you can walk on water even easier since it's flat, whereas a rocky terrain has bumps.

as for blitzing.

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What? ..you said preta solos kisame . so this is what i was talking about btw .

And it is not a movement detriment for preta .. its a boost for Kisame when in water his speed increases and is able to form stronger jutsu .. And having to fight while keeping chakra control is annoying

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[pateuvasiliu]

Oh. I said Preta has the potential to solo Kisame, yes, but there are a few assumptions.

First, you'd assume Preta is as good as Taijutsu as Deva. Seeing as how the only ability Deva has that makes it special is well... Deva Path, this seems a sensible assumption.

If Preta is indeed = Deva in taijutsu, he should have no problem whatsoever CQC-ing Kisame, seeing as how Deva went in melee with both Kakashi and Naruto and lived to tell the tale.

Anything else Kisame has is absorbed. Kisame should have no intel on Preta and when he would move to absorb his chakra with Samehada, Preta would laugh at him and absorb everything he has. Kisame's absorb is nowhere near Preta's.

Melee = Preta absorbs Kisame/Samehada's chakra.

Ranged = Preta absorbs any jutsu including Daikoudan.

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And it is not a movement detriment for preta .. its a boost for Kisame when in water his speed increases and is able to form stronger jutsu

Ninjutsu does not work on Preta and he can absorb Kisame's chakra in melee.

 

[Zexion~]

Oh. I said Preta has the potential to solo Kisame, yes, but there are a few assumptions.

First, you'd assume Preta is as good as Taijutsu as Deva. Seeing as how the only ability Deva has that makes it special is well... Deva Path, this seems a sensible assumption.

If Preta is indeed = Deva in taijutsu, he should have no problem whatsoever CQC-ing Kisame, seeing as how Deva went in melee with both Kakashi and Naruto and lived to tell the tale.

Anything else Kisame has is absorbed. Kisame should have no intel on Preta and when he would move to absorb his chakra with Samehada, Preta would laugh at him and absorb everything he has. Kisame's absorb is nowhere near Preta's.

Melee = Preta absorbs Kisame/Samehada's chakra.

Ranged = Preta absorbs any jutsu including Daikoudan.

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Ninjutsu does not work on Preta and he can absorb Kisame's chakra in melee.

It is not a ninjutsu that would be used on preta it would change the terrain and would be too large to absorb in time.. Meanwhile with this added speed boost kisame could easily catch preta off guard and finish him with a few sword slashes ..

Also preta can absorb kisame's chakra when fighting melee as can kisame ... With samehada

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Kisame's absorbtion is nowhere, really NOWHERE near Preta Path's.

If Kisame attempts to engage in melee Preta will absorb all the chakra inside Samehada within seconds.

Not only that, but Preta Path's chakra is Nagato's, which is way stronger than Kisame's. Samehada might even betray Kisame.

 

[Long Haired Leaf Ninja]

It's crazy to think that Kisame could honestly beat jariya in sm.
If you read the conditions jariya starts in sage mode so its a win for him easy mid diff.

If jariya doesn't start in sm it's a toss up problly 50/50.

 

[Zexion~]

Kisame's absorbtion is nowhere, really NOWHERE near Preta Path's.

If Kisame attempts to engage in melee Preta will absorb all the chakra inside Samehada within seconds.

Not only that, but Preta Path's chakra is Nagato's, which is way stronger than Kisame's. Samehada might even betray Kisame.

Wow .. ok first off what makes you think that there is chakra inside samehada? lol never proven.. nor was it ever suggested

And 2 Kisame>Nagato in terms of chakra quantity ... Does chakra even have power levels? no its all the same .. people just wield it better then others ..

And kisame merged with samehada in the GWD would most likely equal if not be greater then preta's ( under water)

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Wow .. ok first off what makes you think that there is chakra inside samehada?

The fact that it healed Kisame.

And 2 Kisame>Nagato in terms of chakra quantity ... Does chakra even have power levels? no its all the same .. people just wield it better then others ..

No. Nagato is a chakra beast. Kisame is good, too, but Nagato is on a Hashirama/Madara/Obito level.

And yes, chakra has power levels. Kurama's chakra for example is much stronger than say... Sakura's. It's not all quantity, also intensity.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Wow .. ok first off what makes you think that there is chakra inside samehada?

The fact that it healed Kisame.

And 2 Kisame>Nagato in terms of chakra quantity ... Does chakra even have power levels? no its all the same .. people just wield it better then others ..

No. Nagato is a chakra beast. Kisame is good, too, but Nagato is on a Hashirama/Madara/Obito level.

And yes, chakra has power levels. Kurama's chakra for example is much stronger than say... Sakura's. It's not all quantity, also intensity.

 

[Inert Brian]

LOL Jiraiya crushes this.

Jiraiya hid in a barrier that hid in the sea.

 

[Zexion~]

The fact that it healed Kisame.



No. Nagato is a chakra beast. Kisame is good, too, but Nagato is on a Hashirama/Madara/Obito level.

And yes, chakra has power levels. Kurama's chakra for example is much stronger than say... Sakura's. It's not all quantity, also intensity.

First it healed kisame with the chakra it absorbed from bee ..

Second .. No as much as he had kisame had more .. Although both sides are pure speculation .. they both have never shown any chakra exhaustion except nagato.. when using CT when he was sick ..

Yeah i forgot about tailed-beasts but other then them no one has more intense chakra .. that and Curse Marks .. Nagato's chakra was never shown to be different then regular chakra .. So it is the same quality as kisame's

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Second .. No as much as he had kisame had more ..

Do you hear yourself talking?

Nagato is a chakra monster. He controls 7 bodies at the same time and used a ton of jutsus with each. He used numerous STs, CST, CT and all the other Six Paths jutsus plus Rinnetensei before he died from exhaustion.

What stamina feats does Kisame have?

You can't compare Nagato to Kisame. Nagato's chakra is leagues ahead of Kisame.

. Nagato's chakra was never shown to be different then regular chakra .. So it is the same quality as kisame's

Stamina and Life Force
As a member of the Uzumaki clan, he also possessed an exceptionally strong life force and the potential for an incredibly long life span. It has been noted at several points in time that Nagato possessed an unusually large amount of exceptionally strong chakra. Tsunade's ANBU escorts expressed shock on how much chakra he could produce through Deva Path. It was to the point that even after he decimated Konoha and fought Naruto Uzumaki, he still had enough strength to revive all of the people he had killed since arriving in the village. Likewise, Nagato demonstrated considerable control over his chakra, able to constantly alter its nature to prevent sensors from detecting his signature.

 

[Zexion~]

Ok 2 can play at that game

Kisame had a massive amount of chakra, even by Akatsuki standards.Karin, upon sensing Kisame, stated she had never seen so much chakra in one place. Even when he fought at 30% power in one instance, Neji compared his chakra supply to that of Naruto. Chōjūrō claims that Kisame is a "Tailed Beast without a Tail" , due to his superhuman chakra level and combination with Samehada.

No at 30% he was compared to the jinchurki host of the Nine tails .. That same jin that outlasted pain ..

Stamina and Chakra are different things my man ... Itachi has low stamina yet never shown too have low chakra?

What stamina feats does he have well he was never shown to become even the slightest exhausted ..

Now CHAKRA FEATS .. He was able to change a dirt field into a lake with 30%Chakra

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..while being able to use his shark Jutsu

Not to mention create an even LARGER dome of water and control it all while fighting the 8 tails Jin ..

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Ok 2 can play at that game



No at 30% he was compared to the jinchurki host of the Nine tails .. That same jin that outlasted pain ..

Stamina and Chakra are different things my man ... Itachi has low stamina yet never shown too have low chakra?

What stamina feats does he have well he was never shown to become even the slightest exhausted ..

Now CHAKRA FEATS .. He was able to change a dirt field into a lake with 30%Chakra

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..while being able to use his shark Jutsu

Not to mention create an even LARGER dome of water and control it all while fighting the 8 tails Jin ..

Just let the manga scans speak for itself my dude.

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