Tobirama St is better than Minato's ST?

[Bogard]

True, that's why he needs Minato to teleport himself U_U

 

[hyuuga teddy]

Tobirama definately would be better than minato but minato is only faster than him

 

[Shunsin no Shisui]

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Tobirama said it himself that Minato's ST is better than his. Disagreeing with the Manga makes you near troll if not already one. :eww:

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U_U

 

[ballerjordan]

Minato's is superior.

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[eyesofthekyuubi44]

It took him time (though not much) because he had to pinpoint the location first using chakra! At a close range that won't be needed, like when he wounded Izuna!

You have absolutely no evidence to justify that statement. For all you know, he could even use the same mark as Minato and when Minato teleported there, Tobirama followed suit.

We actually have no evidence to support that Tobirama even TELEPORTED himself there. If Tobirama could just "teleport to Madara's location, why didn't he originally do it when he broke Orochimaru's Edo Tensei (before the binding was strengthened?)

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But Tobirama stated that Minato's was better than his.. So basically Kishi saying that. :|

It's not basically Kishimoto saying that. He gives his characters their own opinions. You CAN however, say that Tobirama states that because he's modeled after a vision that Kishi had for him, not him itself, meaning that Kishimoto draws characters that might disagree with him.

But I will say that Tobirama himself admitted that Minato had better Space Time ninjutsu, thus this is so.

 

[FireBird Marco]

True, that's why he needs Minato to teleport himself U_U

What do you mean?

 

[FireBird Marco]

You have absolutely no evidence to justify that statement. For all you know, he could even use the same mark as Minato and when Minato teleported there, Tobirama followed suit.

We actually have no evidence to support that Tobirama even TELEPORTED himself there. If Tobirama could just "teleport to Madara's location, why didn't he originally do it when he broke Orochimaru's Edo Tensei (before the binding was strengthened?)

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It's not basically Kishimoto saying that. He gives his characters their own opinions. You CAN however, say that Tobirama states that because he's modeled after a vision that Kishi had for him, not him itself, meaning that Kishimoto draws characters that might disagree with him.

But I will say that Tobirama himself admitted that Minato had better Space Time ninjutsu, thus this is so.

He needs to weave chakra to pinpoint the location for long distance teleportations which takes some time I guess!
Now if you're asking, how could he locate such a far destination? I'd think that Tobirama could be using chakra signatures instead of seal marks to teleport.

 

[minatoisagod]

but we don't know a thing about tobirama's space time tech

 

[FireBird Marco]

but we don't know a thing about tobirama's space time tech

But I do Kappa!

 

[BloodSeed]

The reasons, I think Tobirama's St is better than Minato's are:
1) Tobirama doesn't need any seals to teleport. People are saying Minato was first and blinked there instantly and Tobirama came second. The reason for that is, because Minato used a seal that was on the rock to teleport to the field, while Tobirama took more time because he had to weave chakra to pinpoint the location and then teleport to the field with the 1st and 3rd!
At close to mid range destinations visible by the eye, Tobirama would just blink there instantly without any tags like he did when he attacked the Uchiha brother!
So in a fight Tobirama's ST is much better than Minato's who needs to lay the seals first!!!

Now, we haven't seen Tobirama use warp gates, but considering that he telepoted himself with the rest of the group to the distant battlefield, I'd say he definitely has warp gates, and seeing as he doesn't require any seals to teleport objects, then he can literally teleport anything like a bijuu bomb anywhere he wants!

Tobirama with his ST and ET is the strongest shinobi after SO6P!

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[tyltyl]

I am a huge tobirama fan because there's more to that guy than meets the eye. but I know when it comes to criticism you put too much gun power, gasoline, and dynamite all in one place my friend. And I didn't even read a single one comment on here just thinkin about it. It makes me make the hashirama face.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

Tobirama doesn't need any seals to teleport.

he was seen using seals in 627

Tobirama with his ST and ET is the strongest shinobi after SO6P!

HE GOT FUKED UP AND DESTROYED BY TWO FAKE PSEUDO KYUUBI JINS. do you think hashirama would be? or madara?

 

[Zetsueno]

I've seen a couple of threads last few days stating that Tobirama's FTG is probably better than Minato's, an assumption based off on the fact that Hashirama asked Tobirama to teleport them to the battlefield.

I, however, think that Minato's FTG is better than Tobirama's in any case. Reason?

Because for one thing, Minato states seeing Obito's Kamui that its better than second's and his own....(1)

We also know that the reason Minato said so was because Obito's did not need seals...(2)

Another thing we saw is that Obito's Kamui teleporting him to Minato's location was obviously not instantaneous as FTG teleporting Minato, from which its obvious that Minato S/T jutsu is more battle-oriented...(3)

From (1), (2) and (3) we can assess that (since Minato claimed that Obito's S/T jutsu which didn't use seals, but was not battle oriented, as better than his and second's. If Tobirama's FTG didn't require seals and needed less prep time than Kamui, then its obviously better than Kamui) either Tobirama's FTG required seals or some sort of beacon, or it required more prep time than Obito's Kamui.

^ That was a thread I made after that chapter where Hashirama asked Tobirama to teleport them to the battlefield. That theory still holds and was further reinforced by the events of the last chapter.

Also, if you're going to make an argument that Tobirama could use FTG at short range as instantaneously as Minato, then you're wrong there as well. Why you may ask? Because Tobirama was killed by twenty Kumo nin. But, if his FTG was instantaneous in short range as you claim it to be, then he would have instantly fodderised these elite Kumo nin. Afterall, Minato was known for taking out armies with his FTG in the blink of an eye.

 

[Zetsueno]

he was seen using seals in 627

HE GOT FUKED UP AND DESTROYED BY TWO FAKE PSEUDO KYUUBI JINS. do you think hashirama would be? or madara?

He was NOT seen using seals in 627, fyi.

 

[FireBird Marco]

he was seen using seals in 627

HE GOT FUKED UP AND DESTROYED BY TWO FAKE PSEUDO KYUUBI JINS. do you think hashirama would be? or madara?

Take it easy angry boi.
We still don't know how Tobirama died, he might have sacrificed himself for the team in the same way Minato did for Naruto and the village..!
As for seals, Tobirama was never shown using seals. Don't make shit out of your stinky ass.

 

[FireBird Marco]

^ That was a thread I made after that chapter where Hashirama asked Tobirama to teleport them to the battlefield. That theory still holds and was further reinforced by the events of the last chapter.

Also, if you're going to make an argument that Tobirama could use FTG at short range as instantaneously as Minato, then you're wrong there as well. Why you may ask? Because Tobirama was killed by twenty Kumo nin. But, if his FTG was instantaneous in short range as you claim it to be, then he would have instantly fodderised these elite Kumo nin. Afterall, Minato was known for taking out armies with his FTG in the blink of an eye.

1. Obito doesn't teleport where ever he wants without seals, Obito uses Zetsu and Zetsu clones and spores to teleport to. Obito basically teleports either to some Zetsu clone/spores or to his dimension!

2. Tobirama ST doesn't require seals as he's never been shown using any seals or such to teleport. Tobirama doesn't need any prep time for short/mid distances; as we've seen when he instantly teleported and killed Izuna!

3. From the last chapter, (and this is still an assumption), Tobirama only requires some very little prep time for long distance teleportation, as he arrived after Minato by a few seconds!

 

[Zetsueno]

1. Obito doesn't teleport where ever he wants without seals, Obito uses Zetsu and Zetsu clones and spores to teleport to. Obito basically teleports either to some Zetsu clone/spores or to his dimension!

2. Tobirama ST doesn't require seals as he's never been shown using any seals or such to teleport. Tobirama doesn't need any prep time for short/mid distances; as we've seen when he instantly teleported and killed Izuna!

3. From the last chapter, (and this is still an assumption), Tobirama only requires some very little prep time for long distance teleportation, as he arrived after Minato by a few seconds!

Someone cannot understand the manga properly here. Since when does Obito require zetsu clones or spores to act as a beacon for teleportation? Had that been the case, then there's no doubt on the fact that FTG is a jutsu better than Kamui in all aspects.

Now, we only saw Tobirama slashing Izuna yelling FTG-slash. There's no proof that it was even an S/T ninjutsu, much less an instantaneous FTG. You see, I'm not claiming that Tobirama has time to take a nap in the dimensional void when he performs FTG, because then, it won't be FTG in the first place. I'm saying that he needs prep time to actually use FTG, but, once that time's guaranteed, its instantaneous.

In the last chapter, Minato arrived before Tobirama, the latter even accepting that his shunshin was inferior to the fourth's. So, thats enough evidence to conclude that they didn't FTG there. If you're not ready to accept that, then, we could say they indeed teleported to somewhere on the battlefield and then shunshined to Naruto's location. In such a scenario, we have no proof whatsoever to compare either of the hokages S/T ninjutsu.