[Theory] Hypothesizing future power-ups (NS) and Debunking the Elder-Younger Son Parallel

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Very nice observations and inferences. Reminded me about a bunch of stuff I forgot =D

I'm not sure about the ESD though. Madara had EMS and loved Izuna the same if not more than Sasuke loved Itachi so it's safe to assume Madara had the same if not stronger hatred than Sasuke. Yet he changed his mind and did not let Hashirama commit suicide. This is very similar to Naruto's decision to not kill Nagato despite still hating/not being unable to forgive Nagato. So you can say Madara descended into darkness, came back, then went back into darkness lol.
That's a good rebuttal actually if I might say. But it's clear Madara still harbored hatred, because of his brother's death. Everytime Tobirama was around, they would give eachother death stares, signifying the obvious hatred in Madara. With Sasuke's testimony in 627, he has literally changed his will into the Will of Fire for the most part, and I think this will be reflected in his eyes as well.

Thanks for giving your opinion!
 

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That's a good rebuttal actually if I might say. But it's clear Madara still harbored hatred, because of his brother's death. Everytime Tobirama was around, they would give eachother death stares, signifying the obvious hatred in Madara. With Sasuke's testimony in 627, he has literally changed his will into the Will of Fire for the most part, and I think this will be reflected in his eyes as well.

Thanks for giving your opinion!
It's true that Sasuke has inherited the will of fire more or less. While Madara harbored hatred, he definitely had Konoha's best interest in mind for some time which was evident in the Onoki's flashback. You could even say Hashirama/Madara's relationship was a parallel to Hiruzen/Danzo's (I wouldn't be surprised Danzo had Madara moments where he was like "DON'T YOU EVER SPEAK HIRUZEN'S NAME IN FRONT OF ME!" =D). Itachi loved Sasuke more than the entire village and would love him forever regardless of his decision so it is difficult to put limits(for lack of a better term) on the will of fire. Sorry for going offtopic.
 

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It's true that Sasuke has inherited the will of fire more or less. While Madara harbored hatred, he definitely had Konoha's best interest in mind for some time which was evident in the Onoki's flashback. You could even say Hashirama/Madara's relationship was a parallel to Hiruzen/Danzo's (I wouldn't be surprised Danzo had Madara moments where he was like "DON'T YOU EVER SPEAK HIRUZEN'S NAME IN FRONT OF ME!" =D). Itachi loved Sasuke more than the entire village and would love him forever regardless of his decision so it is difficult to put limits on the will of fire. Sorry for going offtopic.
Aha, it's ok! I encourage all types of discussion. And I agree with your point of view. :)
 
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It was a long read, but enjoyable and well worth the time. While it may have been entertaining and well-posed, I must point out that this Rinnegan business raises the question of continuity. My memory may not serve me so well, so if I'm wrong please correct me and reference the manga chapter(s) and page(s) that apply.

Madara acquired the Rinnegan due to the combination of Senju DNA and his own, correct?

"But people will say that Naruto needs Uchiha DNA/Eyes. Well… all the evidence leads us to believe the Sage gained the Rinnegan AFTER he sealed the Juubi within him. Naruto has gained nearly the entire collection of the Juubi’s collective pieces, minus the 8 Tails (The silhouette showed us the 1-tail, so it may be a retcon and he has the 1 tails chakra as well). Once Naruto gains it, like Derp has hypothesized, Rikudou’s chakra essence will appear in Naruto’s psyche. He will speak with Naruto, we will learn his back story and how to “defeat” the Juubi. When Naruto comes out of it, he will gain the Rinnegan and the ability to use Yin-Yang release to aid in splitting the Juubi (Creation of all things is the highest variant of Yin-Yang release)"

With regard to the bolded portion:
Yes, I am one of those who believe the Rinnegan necessitates complete DNA from the SO6P or somehow awakening it by one's own merits. It is said that the SO6P was capable of manipulating all five forms of chakra release; Naruto can only use wind at the moment (so far as I'm aware). I'm not sure if he's reached the level at which his own merits will awaken this doujutsu. He'd have to reinvent the wheel, so to speak... and for Naruto, that just doesn't seem likely.

With regard to the underlined portion:
You are straight up committing the fallatious and treacherous act of Begging the Question. You state that there is evidence that the Rinnegan was awakened after the SO6P's quarrel with the juubi, and yet you present none of it. Please shed some light on this, because I looked for evidence (although I only spent 15-20 minutes hastily scanning naruto-wiki and relevant manga chapters) and found none. I'd actually love to be wrong on this one, because that would set me at ease with your hypothesis and cause me to insist that it is a valid and note-worthy guess.

With regard to that which follows the underlined portion:
The SO6P stated that there would come a day when all of the tailed beasts would again become one. As it is right now, we are not quite there yet in the story. Sure, the juubi has some of the chakra from both Kurama and Gyuki, but the nine beasts are not yet one, so the "prophecy" of the SO6P has not been completely fulfilled. If the Sage's words shine true, then it would be pointless to split the juubi until that has come to fruition. Otherwise, bringing the other seven tailed beasts together would've been a waste of time -- sort of. Is it possible that splitting up the juubi would serve as a good temporary fix? Yes. Could the "prophecy" still be fulfilled by allowing the nine beasts to reunite after the war and in accordance with Naruto's will? Maybe. The problem is this: what's the damn point of running in circles dodging the words of the SO6P only to fulfill them later? (rhetoric heavily implied)


I did like the hypothesis overall. It just requires some tune-ups and revaluation. 4/5 rating... which is a significantly better rating than other 'theories' *scoffs* that I've read.
 

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Very good theory, I agree completly with you, besides one thing:

I believe Sage of six paths was Half Uzumaki and Half Hyuuga before becoming Juubi Jinchurki =D

Well done my friend ;)
 
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I like it. What I would like to say and which is just a spoiler I read on a site which means that may e completely false is that Sasuke will manage somehow to control time up to a point.
 
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I generally liked this theory. However there are two points I would like to make:

1: Bijuu Naruto + sage mode would not be rival to the Juubi, especially in its final form.

2. I'm pretty sure that Bijuu Naruto + sage mode, would be stronger than Tsunade and therefore, in theory be able to break through perfect susanoo.

But all in all, I do like this theory and it coincides with Sir Derp Obito's in many regards. =D
 
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I generally liked this theory. However there are two points I would like to make:

1: Bijuu Naruto + sage mode would not be rival to the Juubi, especially in its final form.

2. I'm pretty sure that Bijuu Naruto + sage mode, would be stronger than Tsunade and therefore, in theory be able to break through perfect susanoo.

But all in all, I do like this theory and it coincides with Sir Derp Obito's in many regards. =D
Bold 1: I don't mean rival the Juubi. I meant it would theoretically rival Rikudou in destructive power because of the overlapping power variables (Sage Mode+BM power variables)

Bold 2: Only Sage Mode is said to enhance strength a lot, Bijuu mode does, but not to Sage Mode's extent and Tsundae still punches harder than Sage Mode. Not to mention it still took a combined attack to take down the Susanoo.
 

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Bold 1: I don't mean rival the Juubi. I meant it would theoretically rival Rikudou in destructive power because of the overlapping power variables (Sage Mode+BM power variables)

Bold 2: Only Sage Mode is said to enhance strength a lot, Bijuu mode does, but not to Sage Mode's extent and Tsundae still punches harder than Sage Mode. Not to mention it still took a combined attack to take down the Susanoo.
1: Oh I understand now, yeah that makes a lot more sense to me!

2. I suppose, but could the sage multiplier, not multiple the pre-existing multiplier from the bijuu mode? so it would something like base naruto x 3 (bijuu mode example) x 5 (sage mode example). Those are random numbers, they mean nothing, just to try and show my point. the 3 x 5 = 15, instead of merging the 3+5 which only equals an overall 8 multiplier compared to the 15. \if you see what I mean.
 

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1: Oh I understand now, yeah that makes a lot more sense to me!

2. I suppose, but could the sage multiplier, not multiple the pre-existing multiplier from the bijuu mode? so it would something like base naruto x 3 (bijuu mode example) x 5 (sage mode example). Those are random numbers, they mean nothing, just to try and show my point. the 3 x 5 = 15, instead of merging the 3+5 which only equals an overall 8 multiplier compared to the 15. \if you see what I mean.
I see what you mean as well. But for us to compare we need to know all of Tsunade's multipliers and at what strength she punches at without any enhancements. I still think Tsunade at this point though.

Think of it like this:

Naruto base punching power: 20

Sage Mode - x 3

BM x 5

20 X 15 = 300 strength

Let's assume at the peak of Susanoo it's Defenses are around 400, it being the strongest defense in the manga.

For Tsunade to break it with a punch, her strength exceeds the defenses because of the power of her incoming force.

So Naruto could do some damage, but it would be mitigated for the most part by Sasuke's Perfect Susanoo.
 
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