Explaining Obito and Itachi

[UltimateDeadpool]

Amaterasu appears on the exact spot where the user is focusing. So it appearing on Obito's shoulder, not his eye, which activated the trap, indicates that Sasuke shifted his gaze. The only other explanation would be that Madara's soul was wrong about how Amaterasu works...



First, this isn't a versus thread. But I'll answer this: Izanami's usage through clones, for one. We've seen numerous weaknesses of Kamui be exploited by that jutsu. Konan used exploding tags, meaning an exploding bunshin could be dangerous to Obito. We've also seen that Obito has difficulty using Kamui offenseively against multiple opponents, which is another reason clones are dangerous to him, because it leaves him vulnerable to counterattacks. Lastly, we've seen Itachi use Izanami through clones, meaning that if Obito warped two clones in the same fashion, he'd be caught.



Now, now, we know that's not true... if Obito truly felt he could subjugate Itachi so easily, then he would have, and simply puppeteered the weakened Itachi with genjutsu just like he did to Yagura. Or keep him in the Kamui realm until he needed him. Or even use a White Zetsu clone to impersonate a weakened Itachi, right down to the chakra signature, for Sasuke's benefit. The reason Itachi was around so long, inhibiting Obito's plans, was because Obito was unsure of Itachi's capabilities.



You mean along with Kabuto, Nagato, etc? If you he truly was confident, then that's proof of idiocy, not strength.

That isn't Madara's soul, Madara's soul is in Edo Madara, Black Zetsu was given Madara's will. Black Zetsu was using hyperboles. Amaterasu is launched at whatever the user is focusing their gaze on. You can't dodge something that instantly appears on you, yet Sasuke, Ei, and Gyuuki did.

I don't understand what you're saying about clones, or even how Itachi seals a clone in Sasuke or how it beats Obito.

We do know that's true. Obito could had also captured all of the Jinchuuriki himself and killed baby Naruto to get Kurama, but he didn't because of PiS. Obito was using Itachi, just has he was using Sasuke and Nagato. If Obito wanted, he could had sent Pein and Konan to kill Itachi, Kisame may had even been partnered up with Itachi to spy on him and kill him if the need arises. Kishimoto may had also been saving the Zetsu shapeshifting for Kisame's fake death to shock the readers.
How would it benefit Obito to keep Itachi in the Kamui realm? When Obito needed him, how would he get Itachi to do what he wanted upon release? That doesn't make sense.

If that's proof of Obito's idiocy and not his strength, then it still proves you wrong about Obito being weary of Itachi's capabilities.

 

[KidGamer65]

That isn't Madara's soul, Madara's soul is in Edo Madara, Black Zetsu was given Madara's will. Black Zetsu was using hyperboles. Amaterasu is launched at whatever the user is focusing their gaze on. You can't dodge something that instantly appears on you, yet Sasuke, Ei, and Gyuuki did.

I don't understand what you're saying about clones, or even how Itachi seals a clone in Sasuke or how it beats Obito.

We do know that's true. Obito could had also captured all of the Jinchuuriki himself and killed baby Naruto to get Kurama, but he didn't because of PiS. Obito was using Itachi, just has he was using Sasuke and Nagato. If Obito wanted, he could had sent Pein and Konan to kill Itachi, Kisame may had even been partnered up with Itachi to spy on him and kill him if the need arises. Kishimoto may had also been saving the Zetsu shapeshifting for Kisame's fake death to shock the readers.
How would it benefit Obito to keep Itachi in the Kamui realm? When Obito needed him, how would he get Itachi to do what he wanted upon release? That doesn't make sense.

If that's proof of Obito's idiocy and not his strength, then it still proves you wrong about Obito being weary of Itachi's capabilities.

Um, what?

C said that Amaterasu ignites whatever Sasuke is looking at.

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Amaterasu doesn't travel. The reason why it can be dodged is because some people are fast enough to escape the Sharingan's LoS.

Raikage had prior knowledge so was able to escape the Sasuke's LoS before it could completely manifest on him.

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So, it just doesn't manifest completely, instantly.

 

[Trollasaur]

I just want to know how he survived the bouldar and managed to just slid through it.

 

[Stefan B]

This is my favorite thread of all time I love you. Do you have any more threads like this involving Itachi or Obito?

 

[Lilt]

This is my favorite thread of all time I love you. Do you have any more threads like this involving Itachi or Obito?

Maybe, but if I do, then rest assured that this is the most advanced one.

 

[Trollasaur]

you gave me no points as to why not so i`ll do the same and just say it again.itachi rapes MS obito

P.S.tsukuyomi,koto amatsukami.....so long MS obito

however rinnegan obito beats itachi...

One eyed Obito- Genjutsu expert, Kamui, Doesn't tire, can regenerate, Wood style, Expert firestlye user, can kamui amatertsu.

 

[amarusboobs]

Itachi: Amarterasu!
Obito: Shinra Tensei..

gg

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

Um, what?

C said that Amaterasu ignites whatever Sasuke is looking at.

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Amaterasu doesn't travel. The reason why it can be dodged is because some people are fast enough to escape the Sharingan's LoS.

Raikage had prior knowledge so was able to escape the Sasuke's LoS before it could completely manifest on him.

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So, it just doesn't manifest completely, instantly.

Shii's statement is a contradictory hyperbole, seeing as how if Amaterasu ignites what you're looking at then there is no dodging it, it's on you. That's like saying that you can hop out of the way of a pimple.

Ei moved out of the way befor it hit him, and then was shown as a fireball slamming into the samurai behind him and knocking him on his back, showing that it had momentum and force. If Ei simply moved out of the way of Sasuke's gaze then the samurai would had been ignited, but he wasn't.

That's the same thing that happened with Sasuke. When he moved out of the way of Amaterasu before it reached him, it started chasing him in the form of a fireball. When it later hit Sasuke, it knocked him down. If it just instantly ignites whatever the user is looking at, then Sasuke wouldn't had been able to dodge it. If he did manage to jump out of the way of Itachi's gaze, then Amaterasu would had simply ignited whatever Itachi was looking at behind Sasuke... but it didn't.

We're even shown Amaterasu getting closer and closer to Gyuuki's head, but at the last moment he moved his arm in the way of it. If it just appeared instantly then he couldn't had blocked it with his arm, his head would be on fire.

To summarize, Amaterasu is a fireball projected from the user's eye which has momentum and force.

 

[AlphaScythian]

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To summarize, Amaterasu is a fireball projected from the user's eye which has momentum and force.

No amaterasu is manifested at focal point loud and clear, after that its a projectile. Itachi vs sasuke clearly proves that

Sasuke vs Ay...sasuke already had sight problems, possible his focus was off due to ama strain. Amaterasu can be used as fireball if user wants to add kinetic power to that instead of just burning. Example itachi vs jiraya, when he made a hole in a wall.

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

No amaterasu is manifested at focal point loud and clear, after that its a projectile. Itachi vs sasuke clearly proves that

Sasuke vs Ay...sasuke already had sight problems, possible his focus was off due to ama strain. Amaterasu can be used as fireball if user wants to add kinetic power to that instead of just burning. Example itachi vs jiraya, when he made a hole in a wall.

Those are fanfiction rules that you are applying to Amaterasu. As I said, if it appears instantly where the user is looking, then it's impossible to dodge it. If you're right and it is possible to dodge it, then it appearing as a fireball proves you wrong since it would just instantly appear on the new thing the user is looking at.

The facts are as they have been presented in the manga, there however haven't been many instances where Amaterasu has been used against a protagonist so it's not shown to fail. It's uses however against Sasuke, Ei, and Gyuuki have shown it failing, and it's reasons for why it failed are clear... it's not instant, it's a fireball.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Those are fanfiction rules that you are applying to Amaterasu. As I said, if it appears instantly where the user is looking, then it's impossible to dodge it. If you're right and it is possible to dodge it, then it appearing as a fireball proves you wrong since it would just instantly appear on the new thing the user is looking at.
The facts are as they have been presented in the manga, there however haven't been many instances where Amaterasu has been used against a protagonist so it's not shown to fail. It's uses however against Sasuke, Ei, and Gyuuki have shown it failing, and it's reasons for why it failed are clear... it's not instant, it's a fireball.

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Read goddamn manga properly.
U can see the line behind sasuke where amaterasu manifests. U can also see that it keeps flying afterwards like a projectile. Not only that, but over its flight period it also grows, which makes it true black fireball in a way.

The reasons amaterasu might fail. Main reason is that MS sight deteriorates and u cant focus properly sometimes. Given the huge strain amaterasu has, its no wonder sometimes the flame materializes at wrong place, where later it can be dodged as simple projectile.

It can be used as projectile intentionally if u want to increase the size of amaterasu w/o much effort and use its kinetic power to punch a hole in some soft tissues.

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

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Read goddamn manga properly.
U can see the line behind sasuke where amaterasu manifests. U can also see that it keeps flying afterwards like a projectile. Not only that, but over its flight period it also grows, which makes it true black fireball in a way.

The reasons amaterasu might fail. Main reason is that MS sight deteriorates and u cant focus properly sometimes. Given the huge strain amaterasu has, its no wonder sometimes the flame materializes at wrong place, where later it can be dodged as simple projectile.

It can be used as projectile intentionally if u want to increase the size of amaterasu w/o much effort and use its kinetic power to punch a hole in some soft tissues.

I bolded the parts that are true. The rest, as I've proven, is fanfiction. Even that image you posted proves it's a fireball.

Hell, when Amaterasu was first used off-panel for Itachi to escape Jiraiya's Toad Stomach, we heard a "boom" sound. You know what makes a boom sound? Something that has momentum and force. If it just ignited Jiraiya's Toad Stomach we would had just heard a "fwoosh" if we heard anything at all.

 

[SeriousDogg]

Agree with everything nice thread.

 

[Flawž]

nice thread.

But it still stands.

Ms obito> itachi.

Rinnegan obito>>>>itachi.

it's common sense.

 

[SeriousDogg]

nice thread.

But it still stands.

Ms obito> itachi.

Rinnegan obito>>>>itachi.

it's common sense.

Man Rinnegan Obito>anyone

 

[Flawž]

Man Rinnegan Obito>anyone

Rinnegan obito can beat everyone except,

Hashirama,Madara,kabuto with 30 edo's.

 

[SeriousDogg]

Rinnegan obito can beat everyone except,

Hashirama,Madara,kabuto with 30 edo's.

Hashirama can't touch him, Madara can't touch him, Kabuto can't controll 30 edos (he got 29 Madara don't count) and he also can't touch him, and, he can't edo tensei 29 edos at once it will take him 30 minutes to put all the talismans.

 

[Trollasaur]

Hashirama can't touch him, Madara can't touch him, Kabuto can't controll 30 edos (he got 29 Madara don't count) and he also can't touch him, and, he can't edo tensei 29 edos at once it will take him 30 minutes to put all the talismans.

lol couldn't Obito just take them out 1 by 1 lolollolollolollollololloollo

 

[SeriousDogg]

lol couldn't Obito just take them out 1 by 1 lolollolollolollollololloollo

He can but Kabuto can't controll them all so...

 

[Trollasaur]

He can but Kabuto can't controll them all so...

If he could it would take him a long as time lololololololoo