Kakashi vs Itachi

[BenjerminGaye]

man i dont know why this guy made such a thread!the only reason that uchiha guys become so powerfull is their eyes.fight without ms is just like fight without using any jutsu!!

yet still kakashi or sasuke without their ms rapes......

 

[garas56]

Kakashi wins Mid dif

 

[pateuvasiliu]

no mattrer how many jutsus kakashi has,itachi stomps kakashi. isn itachi faster than kakashi(n part 1)? kakshi doesn hav much chakra.

Itachi has a 0.5 speed advantage which won't matter against the Sharingan.

 

[NarutoSamaKama]

Kakashi may, if he hits itachi with kumai its all OVER. Itachi will have no way out of the dimension.

 

[AGoodBoy]

I like how kakashi already

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yet people believe he can win :|

Itachi wins, again, low diff.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

I like how kakashi already

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yet people believe he can win :|

Itachi wins, again, low diff.

God, what can fanboyism do to people's heads these days.

That's a Part 1 scan, from roughly 3 years ago, long before Kakashi had the MS and gained tremendous stamina feats, such as using Kamui several times in a row and fighting for full days.

Itachi's Suiton is countered by Doton or Kakashi's own Suiton, since Kakashi's stamina is better than Itachi's and he has perfect chakra control.

Itachi's Katon is countered by Suitons.

Taijutsu? Itachi has a 0.5 speed bonus which means nothing since Kakashi has the sharingan. They are roughly equal.

Genjutsu? Useless, they both have the Sharingan.

Kakashi wins due to having superior stamina and ninjutsu.

 

[Champ]

Itachi will always rape Kakashi

 

[AGoodBoy]

God, what can fanboyism do to people's heads these days.

That's a Part 1 scan, from roughly 3 years ago, long before Kakashi had the MS and gained tremendous stamina feats, such as using Kamui several times in a row and fighting for full days.

Itachi's Suiton is countered by Doton or Kakashi's own Suiton, since Kakashi's stamina is better than Itachi's and he has perfect chakra control.

Itachi's Katon is countered by Suitons.

Taijutsu? Itachi has a 0.5 speed bonus which means nothing since Kakashi has the sharingan. They are roughly equal.

Genjutsu? Useless, they both have the Sharingan.

Kakashi wins due to having superior stamina and ninjutsu.

MS is restricted, so this kakashi is perfectly viable for this debate.

Itachi - 5 4.5 5 5 3.5 5 2.5 5 35.5
Kakashi - 5 4.5 4 5 3.5 4.5 3 5 34.5

Keep fanboying when all itachi's stats equal and surpass his. Next, you'll tell me yamato beats hashirama. I like how people camp on "low stamina", because the opponent will last long enough for Itachi (who isn't even using his ms) to run out of stamina. Cool story :|

One last thing. Itachi's sharingan doesn't drain his chakra as kakashi's sharingan drains his. Guess who's running out first? The non pure-blood

 

[Pein67]

MS is restricted, so this kakashi is perfectly viable for this debate.

Itachi - 5 4.5 5 5 3.5 5 2.5 5 35.5
Kakashi - 5 4.5 4 5 3.5 4.5 3 5 34.5

Keep fanboying when all itachi's stats equal and surpass his. Next, you'll tell me yamato beats hashirama. I like how people camp on "low stamina", because the opponent will last long enough for Itachi (who isn't even using his ms) to run out of stamina. Cool story :|

One last thing. Itachi's sharingan doesn't drain his chakra as kakashi's sharingan drains his. Guess who's running out first? The non pure-blood

Jiraiya has same total as Itachi, it doesn't mean anything.Tsunade has 35 total does that mean she'd win vs Kakashi? NO.Gaara don't have even 30, does that mean that he'd loose to Tsunade? NO
Last databook stopped at chapter 409.Since then every character progressed but not Itachi...

About stanima, no Kakashi fought for more than 2 days with sharingan, Itachi is pretty low stanima.Kakashi had always good stanima and since the Zabuza where he was exhasted after few minutes of sharingan and 2 jutsus, now the current Kakashi has nothing to do with it, even if he still have the same stanima, his body get used to the sharingan that's his real potential we see in this current war when he fought 2 days with sharingan and had enough to use kamui and others jutsus.

Itachi stand no chance against Kakashi.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

MS is restricted, so this kakashi is perfectly viable for this debate.

Itachi - 5 4.5 5 5 3.5 5 2.5 5 35.5
Kakashi - 5 4.5 4 5 3.5 4.5 3 5 34.5

Keep fanboying when all itachi's stats equal and surpass his. Next, you'll tell me yamato beats hashirama. I like how people camp on "low stamina", because the opponent will last long enough for Itachi (who isn't even using his ms) to run out of stamina. Cool story :|

One last thing. Itachi's sharingan doesn't drain his chakra as kakashi's sharingan drains his. Guess who's running out first? The non pure-blood

seeing as how kakashi counters everything he has and then some....i don't see itachi winning.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Jiraiya has same total as Itachi, it doesn't mean anything.Tsunade has 35 total does that mean she'd win vs Kakashi? NO.Gaara don't have even 30, does that mean that he'd loose to Tsunade? NO
Last databook stopped at chapter 409.Since then every character progressed but not Itachi...

About stanima, no Kakashi fought for more than 2 days with sharingan, Itachi is pretty low stanima.Kakashi had always good stanima and since the Zabuza where he was exhasted after few minutes of sharingan and 2 jutsus, now the current Kakashi has nothing to do with it, even if he still have the same stanima, his body get used to the sharingan that's his real potential we see in this current war when he fought 2 days with sharingan and had enough to use kamui and others jutsus.

Itachi stand no chance against Kakashi.

@bold - You say that like it weren't true, because that's exactly what it means. Tsunade would beat kakashi.

The moment people put kakashi over every single kage is the day NB lost all hope.

And when did Kakashi fight for 2 days L

Kakashi is .5 more stamina than itachi, and even worse his base sharingan causes strain. People don't even follow manga fact. Itachi won't wear out from simply walking around and dodging.

ah shit, I forgot. On NB, we use Sick dying itachi who's coughing up blood from just lifting his foot. Not like he's ever been shown in a healthier state throughout the manga :|

seeing as how kakashi counters everything he has and then some....i don't see itachi winning.

Go re-watch every Itachi vs Kakashi fight. You'll see that itachi was always 1 step ahead and this thread is foolish as hell. Even on 30% chakra itachi was 1 step ahead of him yet kakashi is the one who counters. You must not know what counter means.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Go re-watch every Itachi vs Kakashi fight. You'll see that itachi was always 1 step ahead and this thread is foolish as hell. Even on 30% chakra itachi was 1 step ahead of him yet kakashi is the one who counters. You must not know what counter means.

a part one fight? that's your proof? smh. The 30% clone got solo'd by kakashi via counters and clone feints to fast for itachi to see. The sheer options kakashi has in his moveset to set up clone feints are the reason he wins.

 

[grizzlyshree]

seeing as how kakashi counters everything he has and then some....i don't see itachi winning.

Kakashi doesn have more chakra than Itachi and kakashi has not improved much either.did u see one of the manga chapters where Kakashi says that he was able to use kamui only with the help of the kyuubi chakra given by naruto?

 

[Lilt]

Anyway, here's what I think:

Close-range

Kakashi's skilled, but Itachi has the edge in speed and weapons. His hand-speed makes his shuriken and clones much more difficult to deal with even without sightblockers (which Kakashi uses,) not to mention Itachi's taijutsu seems more refined. Moreover, genjutsu―while Kakashi can break through it―can still buy Itachi the fraction of a second he needs to cut Kakashi. Basically, if Kakashi is going to win, then he needs to pull back to mid-range and make this a battle of ninjutsu. That's exactly what Hebi Sasuke chose to do, and Hebi Sasuke was overall much deadlier in close range than Kakashi.

Mid-range

Now Itachi's in a bit more trouble. Kakashi is more diverse in terms of ninjutsu, with a better elemental distribution, and can overpower Itachi this way. On the other hand, Itachi has very hyped seals, which means his ninjutsu is likely to be executed faster, but more to the point: Kakashi can't see what he's doing with his Sharingan, but Itachi can preusmably read Kakashi's seals (if there's no sight-blocker) because Kakashi's seal-speed was never hyped like Itachi's was.

Moreover, now that Itachi has 100% of his chakra and is focused purely on Kakashi, then he's going to use clones too―he uses them in literally every other battle where he had normal chakra. Now, both have game-ending bunshin if they land. The Raiton bunshin will paralyze Itachi and make him vulnerable, and the exploding bunshin will maim Kakashi.

However, the bigger point here is the Karasu Bunshin. Not because of its power, but because of its efficiency. Other types of bunshin take 50% of the user's chakra, but Karasu Bunshin were stated to be very efficient. Itachi used them multiple times on the same day he used Mangekyō jutsu. This means Itachi will actually be able to use clones more often in battle, and thus in a ninjutsu battle, he'll have double the firepower for half the price.

But even more prominent is Itachi's shunshin jutsu. It's been shown off multiple times, and it's very refined, probably only second to Minato, A, and Naruto. With his shunshin and reflexes, Itachi can probably dodge Kakashi's ninjutsu rather than be forced to counter them. Are the pieces adding up? Itachi has the more efficient style. Even when sick, it would likely be Kakashi who tired first because Itachi's fundamental skills are so advanced.

Laslty, Izanami. Essentially, with being able to use multiple Karasu Bunshin, Itachi only needs to have Kakashi kill two in the same way. We know Kakashi can sustain Raikiri and has even killed multiple clones that way. That would be the perfect time to capture him in the Izanami's loop.

Hype

It's pretty undeniable, I think, that the author holds Itachi in higher regard. So in a sense, this match could just be argued from a "Tobirama vs Kisame" perspective. And by that I mean that, in terms of feats and logic, Kisame stomps, but that if a battle actually occured then you know Tobirama would be the victor because of the raw portrayal. In this case though, I think Itachi actually has the feats, etc. to beat Kakashi though.

 

[Bogard]

But even more prominent is Itachi's shunshin jutsu. It's been shown off multiple times, and it's very refined, probably only second to Minato, A, and Naruto.

Jk. That's why he was incapable to speedblitz Sasuke when on his own admission had an important mission to complete, so had no time to waste. While Sasuke is fast, it has been shown that there are faster ninjas. Minato left the Hokages, who themselves left Sasuke's team during an entire chapter. The gap in speed in too much

OT: Itachi would win in the manga. It's 50-50 by feats though

 

[FatalChakra]

With no MS, Kakashi wins this!

 

[AGoodBoy]

a part one fight? that's your proof? smh. The 30% clone got solo'd by kakashi via counters and clone feints to fast for itachi to see. The sheer options kakashi has in his moveset to set up clone feints are the reason he wins.

I LOVE how people brush off part 1 fights as if they hold no merit to the manga what so ever because apparently kishi didn't write it. This already proves to me that your argument will involve Sick dying itachi and no itachi which appeared to be healthy.

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Kakashi only escapes said genjutsu because

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The real kakashi would have been decked.

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This all on 30% chakra (NO MS which ties nicely with your thread.

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( shadow clones. Exploding clones. Phoenix flower, etc). AND

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This all from an itachi on 30% chakra, and who was combating sickness(this happening not more than a month before his fight with sasuke)

Yet you want to tell yourself that kakashi has a remote chance against a man he himself knows he's inferior to. Seriously GTFO. Not even a year passed between that fight and current kakashi, and you yourself even removed kakashi's most d**k-rided jutsu: Kamui.

I won't respond to your lovely arguement for why kakashi wins because you'd probably respond with one of these 3;
- "That's Edo Itachi. He trained in the after life so he's stronger"
- "That's part 1. Those feats don't matter"
- "You're obviously an itachi fanboy because you defend him. Itachi is suppose to be weak, anyone who defends him is a fanboy, hur dur"

 

[Lilt]

Jk. That's why he was incapable to speedblitz Sasuke when on his own admission had an important mission to complete, so had no time to waste.

He did leave Sasuke behind, if you forgot:

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While Sasuke is fast, it has been shown that there are faster ninjas. Minato left the Hokages, who themselves left Sasuke's team during an entire chapter. The gap in speed in too much

It's infinitely more likely Sasuke was pacing himself for Taka (since he's obviously faster than them.)

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[Lilt]

Oh, and here's proof that Sasuke's ass-loads faster than Juugo (and therefore was nowhere near top speed.)

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And that was 200+ chapters ago. Shounen logic dictates that Sasuke's become faster since.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

MS is restricted, so this kakashi is perfectly viable for this debate.

Itachi - 5 4.5 5 5 3.5 5 2.5 5 35.5
Kakashi - 5 4.5 4 5 3.5 4.5 3 5 34.5

Keep fanboying when all itachi's stats equal and surpass his. Next, you'll tell me yamato beats hashirama. I like how people camp on "low stamina", because the opponent will last long enough for Itachi (who isn't even using his ms) to run out of stamina. Cool story :|

One last thing. Itachi's sharingan doesn't drain his chakra as kakashi's sharingan drains his. Guess who's running out first? The non pure-blood

Call me when Itachi fights for 2 days with his MS/Sharingan on.

Also, Kakashi only has 1 sharingan thus 50% chakra consumption.

Kakashi stomps. The best Itachi has is a MAYBE rank B katon.