What Evidence Do We Have That Suggest Yata Mirror Is Not Invincible?

[ToruneNamikaze]

Madara isn't one to over-exaggerate a jutsu. Claiming it's invincible is something coming from him.

It is filled with hyperbole, I admit, but everyone of those have been contradicted. Yata Mirror hasn't been.

Yata Mirror > Perfect Susano'o, and PS tanked a TBB. What's the point of a legendary spiritual weapon if it's just outshined by some eye technique?

The Swordsman's sword can't penetrate Yata Mirror, since Yata Mirror has no physical form. As for 3rd Raikage's hellstab, well yeah, it has yet to be contradicted. For all we know it could penetrate anything.

So it is possible for it to penetrate the Yata Mirror?

 

[Booker]

My point is its a paradox
Raikiri was said to cut anything and has never been proven null since

Don't be dense, you're better than that.

Raikiri was said to penetrate anything. And that might as well have been true up until Kishimoto created Yata Mirror, saying that Yata can change properties to match and reject any elemental attack.

So it is possible for it to penetrate the Yata Mirror?

No, because as with Raikiri, it is an elemental attack and will be rejected.

 

[The Necromancer]

So it is possible for it to penetrate the Yata Mirror?

Going by hype, it should be able to. However the mirror is a spiritual weapon, and therefor i judge its hype on a higher level than an ordinary jutsu.

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

"Every Jutsu Has A Weakness"
-Itachi

Thus Yata Mirror has to have a limit.

and this limit is that he can't keep it up forever + sound genjutsu still works on him

 

[Fresco]

Let me quote the Third Databook regarding Kamui

"An original jutsu by Kakashi. Through the use of 'Mangekyou Sharingan' Kakashi can send anything through a space portal. Released through extreme concentration and specially trained chakra, Kakashi directs his intention at the point he's looking at causing the person to be caught inside a space barrier. While the target will struggle there is no defense against this jutsu, all they can do is proceed to get engulfed in the space distortion."

Clearly, Kamui > Yata Mirror given that it is Kishi's word

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[HadouKage]

Don't be dense, you're better than that.

Raikiri was said to penetrate anything. And that might as well have been true up until Kishimoto created Yata Mirror, saying that Yata can change properties to match and reject any elemental attack.



No, because as with Raikiri, it is an elemental attack and will be rejected.

And do you have manga feats to back up your statement?

 

[ToruneNamikaze]

No, because as with Raikiri, it is an elemental attack and will be rejected.

That might have been true until Kishimoto created Hell Stab, saying it is the strongest weapon.

Going by hype, it should be able to. However the mirror is a spiritual weapon, and therefor i judge its hype on a higher level than an ordinary jutsu.

Hell Stab's hype is more recent, therefore I judge it's hype on a higher level than an old move that has only tanked explosive kunais so far.

 

[Owarij]

Yata mirror has been described in both manga and anime as supernatural and magical.. what ever it is, wherever it came from.... it is on an entirely different level when compared to plain earthly ninjutsu... it's now, magic vs ninjutsu

for the person asking where yata mirror ever grew/shrunk

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there..

let's not forget people, that the items didn't come from susanno.. they existed long before mangekyou sharingan..... when itachi found them, they wouldn't have been as large as they are now.. since the databook said they have no TRUE form.. they could have been little golden pebbles... it doesn't matter... If Itachi wished to wield them himself, he could shrink it into a normal katana and shield shize

 

[Booker]

And do you have manga feats to back up your statement?

I DON'T NEED THEM

Stop grasping at straws, Yata Mirror was stated to deflect any Elemental attack and we have been provided with nothing to suggest otherwise.

 

[The Necromancer]

Hell Stab's hype is more recent, therefore I judge it's hype on a higher level than an old move that has only tanked explosive kunais so far.

And it's your opinion and right to do so. But defending hell stab is exactly the same as defending yata mirror, so don't get all pissy when people try to reject your opinion as you're trying to do with ours.

Let me quote The Third Databook regarding Kamui

"An original jutsu by Kakashi. Through the use of 'Mangekyou Sharingan' Kakashi can send anything through a space portal. Released through extreme concentration and specially trained chakra, Kakashi directs his intention at the point he's looking at causing the person to be caught inside a space barrier. While the target will struggle there is no defense against this jutsu, all they can do is proceed to get engulfed in the space distortion."

Clearly, Kamui > Yata Mirror given that it is Kishi's word

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Once again, yes, their hype is equal and contradicting, however, because of the yata mirror's status as a spiritual weapon the likes of which we have only ever seen again in itachi's totsuka blade, i judge its hype to be on a higher level than that of an ordinary jutsu, regardless of its status as a MS based dojutsu or not.

Yata mirror has been described in both manga and anime as supernatural and magical.. what ever it is, wherever it came from.... it is on an entirely different level when compared to plain earthly ninjutsu... it's now, magic vs ninjutsu

for the person asking where yata mirror ever grew/shrunk

You must be registered for see links

there..

let's not forget people, that the items didn't come from susanno.. they existed long before mangekyou sharingan..... when itachi found them, they wouldn't have been as large as they are now.. since the databook said they have no TRUE form.. they could have been little golden pebbles... it doesn't matter... If Itachi wished to wield them himself, he could shrink it into a normal katana and shield shize

This. People need to realize that the yata mirror and totsuka blade are spiritual weapons with no known origin. To judge them with the same scrutiny as a simple sword or lightning based jutsu is absurd.

 

[Booker]

That might have been true until Kishimoto created Hell Stab, saying it is the strongest weapon.
Hell Stab's hype is more recent, therefore I judge it's hype on a higher level than an old move that has only tanked explosive kunais so far.

Except Hell Stab wasn't stated by Kishi to be able to penetrate anything, it was some fodder shinobi who didn't even know about Yata Mirror.

 

[ToruneNamikaze]

I DON'T NEED THEM

Stop grasping at straws, Yata Mirror was stated to deflect any Elemental attack and we have been provided with nothing to suggest otherwise.

TBB is not elemental yet you implied it could tank it

Except Hell Stab wasn't stated by Kishi to be able to penetrate anything, it was some fodder shinobi who didn't even know about Yata Mirror.

LOL same could be said about Madara

 

[Booker]

Fact of the matter is, Yata Mirror was stated to be a magical, spiritual weapon from ages ago; That is greater hype than any ninjutsu.

As Owarji said, it's on a whole nother level. It's has potential to live up to it's hype as a mystical weapon empowered by magic.

TBB is not elemental yet you implied it could tank it

Translations are iffy, some state Yata Mirror deflects anything.

TBB is nothing more than concentrated chakra. It can be countered.

 

[Owarij]

TBB is not elemental yet you implied it could tank it

Where did the bs about yata mirror only being able to defend against elemental attacks come from? Did any of you people actually read the manga or databook?

Did you not see sasuke run in with his katana and get repelled back? was his katana an elemental jutsu? are you being serious? did you not see orochimaru's snakes all get repelled back?

Do you not read the databook statement saying ALL ATTACKS, whether phyiscal, ninjutsu, astral or material?

 

[Booker]

TBB is not elemental yet you implied it could tank it

LOL same could be said about Madara

Except Madara isn't a fodder shinobi that wouldn't know anything about Yata Mirror.

 

[ToruneNamikaze]

Where did the bs about yata mirror only being able to defend against elemental attacks come from? Did any of you people actually read the manga or databook?

Did you not see sasuke run in with his katana and get repelled back? was his katana an elemental jutsu? are you being serious? did you not see orochimaru's snakes all get repelled back?

Do you not read the databook statement saying ALL ATTACKS, whether phyiscal, ninjutsu, astral or material?

Immortal Itachi stated it not me....

Except Madara isn't a fodder shinobi that wouldn't know anything about Yata Mirror.

I meant Madara doesn't know anything about the Hell Stab.

 

[Booker]

Immortal Itachi stated it not me....

I meant Madara doesn't know anything about the Hell Stab.

I was appealing to you all. I believe it tanks all attacks.

Madara never said anything about the Hell Stab? What's your point?

 

[HadouKage]

I DON'T NEED THEM

Stop grasping at straws, Yata Mirror was stated to deflect any Elemental attack and we have been provided with nothing to suggest otherwise.

So wait, you apply this statement

(4) Absense of Evidence is not Evidence of Absense. Yata Mirror has been built up to be invinicble, was suggested by both knowledgable characters and Kishimoto. Obviously it is to be seen as impenetrable.

To Yata Mirror, but Raikiri can't follow the same ruling?

Raikiri's DB entry has not been disproven. Raikiri was not stating to have certain conditions in which it will not "cut" Yata has not deflected elemental based attacks. Stop being a hypocrite, the same logic you're using for Yata can be used for Raikiri

 

[Booker]

So wait, you apply this statement

(4) Absense of Evidence is not Evidence of Absense. Yata Mirror has been built up to be invinicble, was suggested by both knowledgable characters and Kishimoto. Obviously it is to be seen as impenetrable.[/QUOTE]

To Yata Mirror, but Raikiri can't follow the same ruling?

Raikiri's DB entry has not been disproven. Raikiri was not stating to have certain conditions in which it will not "cut" Yata has not deflected elemental based attacks. Stop being a hypocrite, the same logic you're using for Yata can be used for Raikiri

Okay, so use the same logic you use for Raikiri on Yata? Are you a dumbass? They are in the EXACT same situation.

Both are featless compared to their hype. However, due to the fact Yata Mirror is an ancient spiritual, magical weapon, and the fact a character as knowledgable as Madara stated it's invincible, Yata Mirror has more credibility to it's hype than Raikiri.

 

[Owarij]

So wait, you apply this statement



To Yata Mirror, but Raikiri can't follow the same ruling?

Raikiri's DB entry has not been disproven. Raikiri was not stating to have certain conditions in which it will not "cut" Yata has not deflected elemental based attacks. Stop being a hypocrite, the same logic you're using for Yata can be used for Raikiri

There is something called deductive reasoning and basic common sense... utilizing it to discern the difference between outright hyperboles and factual statements is a necessity in debating