Minato did not seal the chakra inside himself

[DeadManWonderLand]

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Notice how Kurma's Chakara is on the soul of Minato. If it had been sealed inside of the Death God, then all the Death God would have to do is take Minato's soul and be done with the jutsu. But Minato apparently forced the Kyuubi Chakara into his body first, not into the Death God's stomach.

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The body you claim is minato's is the reapers.
I already posted this pic but,ill do it again /:

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The blue outline is where the souls are absorbed before being sealed indefinitely in the death gods stomach.It represents the souls.It was not minato's actual body.


As you can clearly see the kages are also withing the same blue silhouette

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Same situation same outcome yet your not saying hiruzen sealed them within his body.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

I think the difference between Oro's arms and Kurama's Yin is their composition, Oro's arms are the arms of a real soul. So Hiruzen's own soul could not assimilate them since no two things of the same substance can occupy the same space at the same time, Kurama's Yin Chakra is just that: Chakra energy, so it was able to be assimilated inside Minato's soul.

 

[The ProphecY]

This is actually something I have thought about for a while, and so far this is the best explanation I can give to you. Here are the ways to escape the dilemma you have proposed.

This one is a bit more simpler, but the RDS can either seal the arms inside of itself or inside of the person. Since hiruzen was about to die he decided to seal Orochimarus arms along with the kages inside of the RDS and not himself because when he died the seal would be broken. To simplify it, with the RDS you can either seal the persons soul within yourself or within the RDS itself

When you think about it this actually makes sense because Hiruzen had just gotten stabbed, if he had sealed Oro and the kage inside of his own body, then as soon as he died they would have been unsealed. Which would have been stupid and a waste of his sacrifice. So he sealed them inside the belly of the RDS which he went to after dying as well. Mnato on the other hand sealed the 9 tails inside of himself rather than the RDS's belly.

Hopefully that explains it a little

WoW, great theory... This is probably the best answer!

 

[Biozim]

I'll just wait for an explanation.

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

I think the difference between Oro's arms and Kurama's Yin is their composition, Oro's arms are the arms of a real soul. So Hiruzen's own soul could not assimilate them since no two things of the same substance can occupy the same space at the same time, Kurama's Yin Chakra is just that: Chakra energy, so it was able to be assimilated inside Minato's soul.

Hmmm this i find more credible then the previous post.
It was interesting and i first did think it was possible but,in the long run it raised more questions then answers.
This one of yours however proposes an idea without contradicting previous actions.It is never good to have a theory deduct from logical points when trying to establish facts and yours avoids that mistake.

It is very possible the chakra assimilated within minato's before being sealed completely in the demon.
Either way besides you and 2 other people in this thread many think i am trying to deny that he has the chakra outright.
Clearly he does.I just want an explanation as to how.

I am certain your theory is the closest to the mark.Hopefully kishi gives an official explanation next chapter.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

We can also see the substantial difference of the effect of RDS between Kurama and Oro, Kurama's power output capacity is the only thing that was limited with the loss of his Yin half since all the abilities of a Bijū like Bijūdama is still within his use while in Oro's case every jutsu that require hand seals had been taken away from him since he lost the soul part of his arms, from this we can deduce the substantial difference of what was sealed with Kurama compared to Orochimaru, the former was only his Chakra while the latter was the actual part of his soul.

 

[Almighty Ra]

Everyone seems to miss one page from that chapter which show's Minato holding the Yin chakra within himself before being completely sealed in the Reaper Death seal..The basis of the jutsu is to seal both the user and the victim's souls eternally intertwined with one another..like Sir derp stated chakra and a soul are totally different types of energy.

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While he was being sealed the Yin chakra was bonded to his soul since it wasn't Kurama's entire soul it was jus Yin chakra..His ability to use it now is due to Minato being Edo and having Hashirama's dna from the sacrificial Zetsu's..With chakra control it's not hard to believe that he can use it now that he has an undieing body with unlimited chakra at his disposal

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[Almighty Ra]

We can also see the substantial difference of the effect of RDS between Kurama and Oro, Kurama's power output capacity is the only thing that was limited with the loss of his Yin half since all the abilities of a Bijū like Bijūdama is still within his use while in Oro's case every jutsu that require hand seals had been taken away from him since he lost the soul part of his arms, from this we can deduce the substantial difference of what was sealed with Kurama compared to Orochimaru, the former was only his Chakra while the latter was the actual part of his soul.

Well said Oro's arms are a part of his living soul while Kurama's Yin chakra is jus that chakra..Hence while Kurama lost his Yin chakra he only had Yang which shrunk him and cut his total power out out put in half

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

We can also see the substantial difference of the effect of RDS between Kurama and Oro, Kurama's power output capacity is the only thing that was limited with the loss of his Yin half since all the abilities of a Bijū like Bijūdama is still within his use while in Oro's case every jutsu that require hand seals had been taken away from him since he lost the soul part of his arms, from this we can deduce the substantial difference of what was sealed with Kurama compared to Orochimaru, the former was only his Chakra while the latter was the actual part of his soul.

This makes it more believable.

I wish the readers didn't have to go on a expedition when kishi doesn't bother to explain very crucial details

 

[Almighty Ra]

This makes it more believable.

I wish the readers didn't have to go on a expedition when kishi doesn't bother to explain very crucial details

I agree but i think he wants everyone to be deductive since he gives off lil hints that people usually forget thur out reading the chapters

 

[WarriorStormMan]

A lot of people are skipping an important page of the manga....

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The seal is clearly shown ON MINATO'S STOMACH, which means the Kyuubi's Chakra was stored inside of him. There is another page that has been posted on this thread showing the chakra kind of melded with Minato. There is no question the chakra was sealed inside on Minato.



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[DeadManWonderLand]

A lot of people are skipping an important page of the manga....

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The seal is clearly shown ON MINATO'S STOMACH, which means the Kyuubi's Chakra was stored inside of him. There is another page that has been posted on this thread showing the chakra kind of melded with Minato. There is no question the chakra was sealed inside on Minato.



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Late as shit lol
obviously he has the chakra.The thread's point is about how the chapter is not clear how he obtained it.

Pay attention before post

 

[Almighty Ra]

A lot of people are skipping an important page of the manga....

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The seal is clearly shown ON MINATO'S STOMACH, which means the Kyuubi's Chakra was stored inside of him. There is another page that has been posted on this thread showing the chakra kind of melded with Minato. There is no question the chakra was sealed inside on Minato.



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Smh Yea scroll up bro i already posted it..good try though

 

[Almighty Ra]

Late as shit lol
obviously he has the chakra.The thread's point is about how the chapter is not clear how he obtained it.

Pay attention before post

Lmfao :snick:

 

[WarriorStormMan]

First of all I made my original post 10 am yesterday morning so I'm not late, I haven't been on the computer like that.

Second it was made clear about 100 chapters ago how he got the chakra when he used the RDS to seal it within himself.

 

[FearxDeath]

that actually does make sense.
My only problem is that kishi should actually takes the time to explain this since the chapter gives no indication that this is what is being done.If all he offers up as a reasoning is that minato knows things others don't it would be a very lame cop out.


On the other hand your proposal has its complications as well.

"When you think about it this actually makes sense because Hiruzen had just gotten stabbed, if he had sealed Oro and the kage inside of his own body, then as soon as he died they would have been unsealed. "

What is the point of the death god if you have the option of sealing the target in yourself ?
and if you seal the target within yourself and die that means the target also dies,this is what happens with the jinchuriki and its tailed beast.

How would you expect oro to live ?

To assume what you said is true you would also have to assume that oro's soul would safely return to his body because wh

And is that is the case why would he live when the tailed beast would die when inside their host ?

Interesting rebuttle, to that I say to following:

1) You make a good case here but the best answer I can give would be, When a Jinchuriki dies, the seal is broken and the Bijuu is released and is free to roam about. That is why Jinchuriki, like Mito, have the tailed beasts trasnfered out of them before they die. The same goes for the Jinchuriki who proceeded Killer Bee. So just to clarify when a person that has something sealed inside of them dies, the thing that is sealed within them isnt destroyed, but it is freed as the seal can no longer sustain itself. Think of the body like a room and the seal like a lock, if you destroy the lock does the person you locked inside the room get destroyed?

The best example I can give of this is Rin. Remember the plan the hidden mist had which was to make Rin the Jinchuriki then have her be rescued by Kakashi only to release it once they got to konoha[

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]? How did play plan to release it? By killing her ofcourse. But more importantly if she was the Jinchuriki, then explain this [

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]...If she died there while she was a jinchuriki then how does Deidara and Nobito capture the Sanbi later on? [

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]. Because when a Jinchuriki dies the tailed beast within them is released.

2) When you ask how would I expect Orochimaru to live I assume you mean his arms, and to that I would say they would live the same way they lived inside of the RDS. Now if his entire soul was sealed then ofcourse his body would be dead. And thus breaking the seal would be the same as breaking the seal on Edo Tensie, where as Orochimaru's soul would be free to go where souls go when people die.

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

Interesting rebuttle, to that I say to following:

1) You make a good case here but the best answer I can give would be, When a Jinchuriki dies, the seal is broken and the Bijuu is released and is free to roam about. That is why Jinchuriki, like Mito, have the tailed beasts trasnfered out of them before they die. The same goes for the Jinchuriki who proceeded Killer Bee. So just to clarify when a person that has something sealed inside of them dies, the thing that is sealed within them isnt destroyed, but it is freed as the seal can no longer sustain itself. Think of the body like a room and the seal like a lock, if you destroy the lock does the person you locked inside the room get destroyed?

The best example I can give of this is Rin. Remember the plan the hidden mist had which was to make Rin the Jinchuriki then have her be rescued by Kakashi only to release it once they got to konoha[

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]? How did play plan to release it? By killing her ofcourse. But more importantly if she was the Jinchuriki, then explain this [

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]...If she died there while she was a jinchuriki then how does Deidara and Nobito capture the Sanbi later on? [

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][

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]. Because when a Jinchuriki dies the tailed beast within them is released.

2) When you ask how would I expect Orochimaru to live I assume you mean his arms, and to that I would say they would live the same way they lived inside of the RDS. Now if his entire soul was sealed then ofcourse his body would be dead. And thus breaking the seal would be the same as breaking the seal on Edo Tensie, where as Orochimaru's soul would be free to go where souls go when people die.

The extraction of a tailed beast on a live host doesn't kill the beast however it still kills the host.
It is different from actually killing the host which ends up killing the beast.
It has been confirmed that the beast temporarily die.

Besides this obito and almighty ra give a solid explanation as to how it happened.

 

[johnny335704]

Even I am waiting for Kishi to explain this in near future. But some theories are really nice and close to the point in this thread.

Originally Posted by Sir Derp Obito
I think the difference between Oro's arms and Kurama's Yin is their composition, Oro's arms are the arms of a real soul. So Hiruzen's own soul could not assimilate them since no two things of the same substance can occupy the same space at the same time, Kurama's Yin Chakra is just that: Chakra energy, so it was able to be assimilated inside Minato's soul.

Originally Posted by FearxDeath
This is actually something I have thought about for a while, and so far this is the best explanation I can give to you. Here are the ways to escape the dilemma you have proposed.

This one is a bit more simpler, but the RDS can either seal the arms inside of itself or inside of the person. Since hiruzen was about to die he decided to seal Orochimarus arms along with the kages inside of the RDS and not himself because when he died the seal would be broken. To simplify it, with the RDS you can either seal the persons soul within yourself or within the RDS itself

When you think about it this actually makes sense because Hiruzen had just gotten stabbed, if he had sealed Oro and the kage inside of his own body, then as soon as he died they would have been unsealed. Which would have been stupid and a waste of his sacrifice. So he sealed them inside the belly of the RDS which he went to after dying as well. Mnato on the other hand sealed the 9 tails inside of himself rather than the RDS's belly.

Hopefully that explains it a little

 

[FearxDeath]

The extraction of a tailed beast on a live host doesn't kill the beast however it still kills the host.
It is different from actually killing the host which ends up killing the beast.
It has been confirmed that the beast temporarily die.

Besides this obito and almighty ra give a solid explanation as to how it happened.

Now hold on and wait a second.

The example I gave above was not an extraction on a live host, It was Rin who was the living Jinchuriki of Sanbi being killed by Kakashi, and thus by your logic the Bijuu would be dead. But now you say they die temporarily? But to me the only difference between dying temporarily and not dying at all is merely a delay in when they become alive again. So if Hiruzen sealed Oro's arms and the Kages inside of him then when he died they would too die temporarily and them be available for summon/return to orochimaru much like what happened when the RDS's belly was cut open.

"Besides this obito and almighty ra give a solid explanation as to how it happened." Could you link me to a scan of this? because for some reason I am under the impression that the tailed beasts do not die when the host is killed. And as far as the exraction goes, Kushina while she was pregnant and Mito when she was extremely old both had the jinchuriki extracted from them without them dying and I am pretty sure Killer Bee's prodescesor survived as well, the only reason the current Jinchuriki were killed by the akatsukis extraction methods is because they didnt take any steps to prevent their death as they had no use for them.

If i remember correctly what when anything is sealed said thing is also free'd when the seal is broken. Much like how Kurama gained more influence over Naruto as the 8 Trigram seal deteriorated over time and it eventually took over Naruto during his fight with pain, it wasnt until Minato showed up and strenghtened the seal that Naruto gained control again. This is an example of things that are sealed being free'd as the seal becomes undone. Now in the case of someone dying the seal, which is powered by a persons own chakra and sometimes by there will power, can no longer sustain itself and becomes undone thus releasing whatever was sealed inside

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

Now hold on and wait a second.

The example I gave above was not an extraction on a live host, It was Rin who was the living Jinchuriki of Sanbi being killed by Kakashi, and thus by your logic the Bijuu would be dead. But now you say they die temporarily? But to me the only difference between dying temporarily and not dying at all is merely a delay in when they become alive again. So if Hiruzen sealed Oro's arms and the Kages inside of him then when he died they would too die temporarily and them be available for summon/return to orochimaru much like what happened when the RDS's belly was cut open.

"Besides this obito and almighty ra give a solid explanation as to how it happened." Could you link me to a scan of this? because for some reason I am under the impression that the tailed beasts do not die when the host is killed. And as far as the exraction goes, Kushina while she was pregnant and Mito when she was extremely old both had the jinchuriki extracted from them without them dying and I am pretty sure Killer Bee's prodescesor survived as well, the only reason the current Jinchuriki were killed by the akatsukis extraction methods is because they didnt take any steps to prevent their death as they had no use for them.

If i remember correctly what when anything is sealed said thing is also free'd when the seal is broken. Much like how Kurama gained more influence over Naruto as the 8 Trigram seal deteriorated over time and it eventually took over Naruto during his fight with pain, it wasnt until Minato showed up and strenghtened the seal that Naruto gained control again. This is an example of things that are sealed being free'd as the seal becomes undone. Now in the case of someone dying the seal, which is powered by a persons own chakra and sometimes by there will power, can no longer sustain itself and becomes undone thus releasing whatever was sealed inside

Its not my opinion that there beast temporarily die its a known fact stated within the manga.
Extracting the tailed beast kills anyone who is not an uzumaki since they have strong forces of life.
What i was trying to get at is that sealing and releasing tailed beast are different from sealing humans.
Well,at least at this moment there is no official distinguishing differences or similarities.
When tailed beast are in their host when they die they are not freed right away.
It takes time for them to come back.So comparing them to an event in which oro's soul would return would be faulty.
They also never planned to kill rin it was their intention to trick her into fleeing back to the village asap so she would eventually lose control and wreak havoc on the leaf.At that time only a select few have ever manged to contain the beast.This is why rin killed herself,so she would not endanger the leaf.After that the beast resurrected and was later re-caught by the mist and then later on by akatksui