Hashirama and Ems Madara vs Nagato, Minato, and Itachi

[Amaterasuice]

I've been REALLY scared to do this but, who wins?

Ems Madara and Hashirama vs prime Nagato, Minato, Ems Sasuke (forgot to add him in title), and healthy Itachi

Location: Kakashi vs Kakuzu
Distance: 300 km
Intel: Full intel for Team Nagato. No intel on team Hashi
restrictions: No Kyuubi for Madara,

Changed stakes: Minato gets to have the yin half chakra, but he isn't edo.

Who wins?

 

[- Їиfєяио -]

team two wins this - low / mid -diff .....anyone who feels otherwise is welcome for a debate ​

 

[KidGamer65]

team two wins this - low / mid -diff .....anyone who feels otherwise is welcome for a debate ​

Just stop..

OT: Hashirama and Madara take this. Once PS and Shinsuusenju come out its a rape.

 

[karol the don]

Madara hot mega Katons + Ps Hashi spam wood release like a boss + shinsuusenju those two legends has to been said was the strongest homeboys ever and still am !

 

[- Їиfєяио -]

Just stop..

OT: Hashirama and Madara take this. Once PS and Shinsuusenju come out its a rape.

yo buddy , i kinda find it hard to agree wid you

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PERFECT SUSANOO

--. even tho the size of itachi's usanoo is meagre compared to PS - totsuka can seal it
--. minato could cast his S/T seal on it and teleport it ( just as he did with kuurama )
--. The dog summoned by nagato using the amplified summoning technique wud give a hard time to madara's PS considering the monopoly of physical attacks in its arsenal

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SHINSHUUSENJU

an accurately guided almighty pull on two opposite ends of SHINSHUUSENJU can rip it into two

OR

an almighty push used on it from the top will succeed in breaking the wood into splinters

[/B]- we all know what a large scale almighty push did to KONOHA -
which unlike shinshuusenju's wood is made of solid cut rock is a lot larger in area than SHINSHUSSENJU [/B]

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-- nagato's animal path can overwhelm the duo with thousands of summons and thus succeed in making them vulnerable to attacks for a short period of time

-- itachi performs a shadow clone & activates susanoo ( on both ) and minato portes them behind hashi and madara who end up being sealed by totsuka
the absence of knowledge on either of the jutsus will render this attack uncounterable

-- an amaterasu infused kunai thrown into the air + multi shadow clone jutsu performed on it by minato will be a hard countered offense cosidering madara and hashi have to stop hundreds of amaterasu infused kunai raining on them.

-- all of madara's and hashirama's large scale ninjutsu's are nullified by YATA or nagato's NINJUTSU ABSORBING PATH

-- hashi & madara are unaware of itachi's ability to manipulate time in tsukuyomi and thus wont be dead hard about not lookin into his eyes
consider minato ambushing hashi by suddenly porting itachi in front of him thus succeeding in making him look into itachi's eye -- even tho hashi's superior chakra control could make him break out of tsukuyomi the second next to which it was cast the one second potential will already have caused him countless hours of mental pain and torture
this immense agony will render hashi unconcious for the rest of the fight


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[Lilt]

The thing is, unless you believe the Totsuka and Preta is no-limits, then Perfect Susano'o alone poses a huge problem to these guys. It's just so huge that suction-techniques like those, or Minato's warping jutsu, would be insignificant before a counter-attack was made. And in this case, there are basically two versions of Perfect Susano'o and two clone users with immense stamina and enormous, versatile attacks.

They're gonna' get overwhelmed. Itachi will live as long as his Susano'o with Yata Mirror can stay up. Minato will live until he's put in genjutsu (and both Madara and Hashirama are genjutsu experts) or is caught off guard to nullify Hiraishin. Nagato will live until he tries absorbing Hashirama's sage energy, is put in genjutsu, or is attacked physically by a Sage. If all Three were Edos, then things could be a bit more drawn out, but they'd still lose...

And that's coming from a hardcore Itachi fan (borderline KCM Minato fan, although Minato doesn't have KCM here.)

With that's said, Hashirama could go down to Tsukuyomi if he doesn't prepare for it with clones or by evading Itachi's eyes with Sage sensing like Kabuto. He doesn't have knowledge, so it's possible. If they get that cheapshot in, then the three can possibly overwhelm Madara. I'm not really sure if Shinra Tensei could push Perfect Susano'o around or if Amaterasu would spread Hachibi-style, but Minato might be able to get the three right in Madara's face (on top.)

Still, it's an uphill battle. Madara's that strong.

 

[- Їиfєяио -]

The thing is, unless you believe the Totsuka and Preta is no-limits, then Perfect Susano'o alone poses a huge problem to these guys. It's just so huge that suction-techniques like those would work too slowly before a counter-attack was made. And in this case, there are basically two versions of Perfect Susano'o and two clone users with immense stamina and enormous attacks.

They're gonna' get overwhelmed. Itachi will live as long as his Susano'o with Yata Mirror can stay up. Minato will live until he's put in genjutsu (and both Madara and Hashirama are genjutsu experts) and caught. Nagato will live until he tries absorbing Hashirama's sage energy or is otherwise overwhelmed, be it genjutsu or a physical assault.

heya , my fellow itachi fan , i have a strat ..

1.nagato uses animal path and summons a huge number of gigantic weird creatures which charge at hashi and madara --- this is gonna be a piece of cake and they both can manage to destroy the hundreds of ariel and land summons in say ... like .... 30 seconds to 1 minute

2. As hashi and madara are occupied fighting the animals itachi performs two shadow clone and minato creates an ambushes by suddenly porting itachi in front of them ( one shadow clone in front of each ) thus succeeding in making them look into itachi's eye -- even tho hashi's superior chakra control and madara's mangekyou could make them break out of tsukuyomi the second next to which it was cast the one second potential will already have caused them countless hours of mental pain , anguish and torture
this immense agony will render the duo unconcious

team 2 also has the advantage here as hashi & madara are unaware of
itachi's ability to cast tsukuyomi and manipulate time in it + minato's FTG​

 

[phylos]

Susanoo is made of Amaterasu (well, it is only awakened once a Mangekyo sharingan awakens Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi so there's a relation) so I doubt Amaterasu can damage it. Sasuke used them both.

The only thing keeping team 2 alive for any period of time is Minato's barrier and I think even that would be overwhelmed by Madara and Hashirama's huge techniques. I don't see it successively warping Madara's Susanoo's swords spam, for example.

Buying into the ridiculous premise of the yata mirror blocking everything (which I don't, by Occam's razor) Itachi will drop soon out of exhaustion. Not buying into it he gets blasted even by Hashirama's combination of Wood golem and wood dragon.

The only thing Nagato could really do is planetary devastation and I'm sure Hashirama, or Madara, alone can destroy the orb.

Kishimoto just made those two too overpowered, in a series that had already stopped making sense in its power levels. That's DBZ stuff right there.

 

[- Їиfєяио -]

...susano is made of amaterasu ....

^^ stopped readin after this ^^​

 

[phylos]

^^ stopped readin after this ^^​

Good, it's not like I was aiming to have a discussion with you anyways. When I have a discussion I tend to be a fan of facts, not assumptions and one just cannot expect that from certain kind of people.

 

[- Їиfєяио -]

Good, it's not like I was aiming to have a discussion with you anyways. When I have a discussion I tend to be a fan of facts, not assumptions and one just cannot expect that from certain kind of people.

realise that all facts arise from carefully deduces assumptions

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and what you said is far worse than the worst assumption

" susanoo is made of amaterasu "
show me one manga scan that proves this and i will happily dip my balls in boiling toad oil

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^^ Read the above shown official naruto databook carefully , what does it say about Susanoo's requirements ? ^^
Susanoo is awakened by those who have mastered the techs that represent Light of the Physical world and Darkness of the mental world

-In Itachi's case, Amaterasu represented the Light and Tsukuyomi represented the Darkness.
-In Sasuke's, it was Amaterasu and Kagutsuchi.

So the requirements are two techniques that represent the Physical world & the Mental world, Light & Darkness

nowhere has it been mentioned that susanoo is the monopoly of amaterasu and tsukuyomi users
also it has never been told that susanoo is made of amaterasu

the next time you do not know something plz do refrain from posting ​

 

[KidGamer65]

yo buddy , i kinda find it hard to agree wid you

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PERFECT SUSANOO

--. even tho the size of itachi's usanoo is meagre compared to PS - totsuka can seal it
--. minato could cast his S/T seal on it and teleport it ( just as he did with kuurama )
--. The dog summoned by nagato using the amplified summoning technique wud give a hard time to madara's PS considering the monopoly of physical attacks in its arsenal​

-Totsuka piercing PS let alone sealing it? When its just chakra? Not happening, you're going to need some evidence for this.
-Minato needs contact to do that, something he won't get when

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is coming at him.
-The dog gets fodderized. Its bashing and hitting isn't even going to phase Perfect Susanoo.

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SHINSHUUSENJU

an accurately guided almighty pull on two opposite ends of SHINSHUUSENJU can rip it into two

OR

an almighty push used on it from the top will succeed in breaking the wood into splinters

[/B]- we all know what a large scale almighty push did to KONOHA -
which unlike shinshuusenju's wood is made of solid cut rock is a lot larger in area than SHINSHUSSENJU [/B]

That isn't how Bansho Tennin works so no that isn't happening either.

Large AoE=/=Super Strong Move. Shinsuusenju took on 11 Bijuu Dama's with PS blades in them. 1 CST isn't doing anything to it and if Nagato uses it, he gets fodderized without Deva's powers.

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-- nagato's animal path can overwhelm the duo with thousands of summons and thus succeed in making them vulnerable to attacks for a short period of time

-- itachi performs a shadow clone & activates susanoo ( on both ) and minato portes them behind hashi and madara who end up being sealed by totsuka
the absence of knowledge on either of the jutsus will render this attack uncounterable

-- an amaterasu infused kunai thrown into the air + multi shadow clone jutsu performed on it by minato will be a hard countered offense cosidering madara and hashi have to stop hundreds of amaterasu infused kunai raining on them.

-- all of madara's and hashirama's large scale ninjutsu's are nullified by YATA or nagato's NINJUTSU ABSORBING PATH

-Nothing in Nagato's Animal Path will faze these guys.

-Minato first of all needs to have a mark near them, something he can't do with their large scale jutsu. Second of all Itachi can't use Susanoo with his Shadow Clones. Fanfiction.

-You do know the flames will melt the Kunai right? Not to mention Susanoo or a Wood Dome easily tanks.

-Preta Path can't absorb Mokuton as it is life, real trees. Nagato needs to get close to absorb PS and that isn't happening due his Mountain cutting sword. If Itachi puts up a Final Susanoo with Yata and Totsuka, he will drop dead before the fight ever finishes.

-- hashi & madara are unaware of itachi's ability to manipulate time in tsukuyomi and thus wont be dead hard about not lookin into his eyes
consider minato ambushing hashi by suddenly porting itachi in front of him thus succeeding in making him look into itachi's eye -- even tho hashi's superior chakra control could make him break out of tsukuyomi the second next to which it was cast the one second potential will already have caused him countless hours of mental pain and torture
this immense agony will render hashi unconcious for the rest of the fight

Hashirama fights long range and his jutsu make it hard to achieve eye contact since they are so large scale. Good luck making eye contact with a guy who is on top of a Mountain dwarfing statue.

Again with the Minato porting them around nonsense? He needs marks or Kunai for that. Good luck throwing a Kunai up to a Statue that dwarfs Mountains. Good luck throwing a Kunai to Hashirama when this guy can create a whole sleep pollen filled forest in an instant.

 

[Unorthodox]

Team madara stomps trying to make it a handicap i see but couldnt madara just wrap ps around shinsuijin

 

[Amaterasuice]

realise that all facts arise from carefully deduces assumptions

---

and what you said is far worse than the worst assumption

" susanoo is made of amaterasu "
show me one manga scan that proves this and i will happily dip my balls in boiling toad oil

You must be registered for see images

^^ Read the above shown official naruto databook carefully , what does it say about Susanoo's requirements ? ^^
Susanoo is awakened by those who have mastered the techs that represent Light of the Physical world and Darkness of the mental world

-In Itachi's case, Amaterasu represented the Light and Tsukuyomi represented the Darkness.
-In Sasuke's, it was Amaterasu and Kagutsuchi.

So the requirements are two techniques that represent the Physical world & the Mental world, Light & Darkness

nowhere has it been mentioned that susanoo is the monopoly of amaterasu and tsukuyomi users
also it has never been told that susanoo is made of amaterasu

the next time you do not know something plz do refrain from posting ​

Not trying to pick sides here, but Sasuke used Tsukuyomi against Danzo.

 

[Optimistic]

Team 1 wins, whats with this guy thinking he can sway people into thinking Team 2 will win? Very out of the ordinary i must say.

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

Am I the only one who thinks both of them can solo this? :|

 

[Zexion~]

team one wins Obviously however .. Neither can solo.. Hashi gets ****ing blitzed before he can use ... That big ass 10000 hands thing .. So does madara

Edit .. actually id say madara has a better chance to solo then Hashi actually .. Perfect Susunoo Takes less time to activate then hashi's defense ...

 

[Itachi Solos]

shadow clone + izanami + totsuka =

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gg

 

[KidGamer65]

team one wins Obviously however .. Neither can solo.. Hashi gets ****ing blitzed before he can use ... That big ass 10000 hands thing .. So does madara

Edit .. actually id say madara has a better chance to solo then Hashi actually .. Perfect Susunoo Takes less time to activate then hashi's defense ...

Minato isn't blitzing anyone at 300 kilometers. The notion in itself is completely ridiculous. Hashirama and Madara both solo.

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Hashirama and Madara. It's actually a cakewalk here.