Society Is Failing Us

[YowYan]

Well, I was going to segway into how God is just as propable as science - Since everything that was ever created has to come back to a single thing that was never created and was just always THERE.

I'd love to debate with you, you seem intelligent and calm.

Keep in mind I respected most of your posts.
You're only delusional when it comes to understanding religion/god and moral standards/homosexuality in this case.

When talking about God, you'd first need to be able to interpret the religious scripts the right way which alk religious fanatics fail at. Read the message between the message when studying religious scripts.

You talk about something that was never created aka always existed. What is your interpretation of god? To me, it's simply energy/the source/consciousness?/vibration. Science and spirituality already works succesfully with the beforementioned terms. Especially vibration/frequency. Fact is, deeming some phenomena as 'god almighty' is utterly pointless. It keeps us trapped mentally. The 'faith' religious ppl hold is a form of mental caging.

 

[SonictheHedgehog]

It's also one that spreads hatred for anything different and has caused several wars. But like you said, it was God that created it and not man himself.



Except we have evidence of Steven Hawkings, and know he is actually real :|

People cause wars, not the Bible. It's peoples' interpretations.

 

[Aertes]

This "they can't have babies" argument is just f*cked up.
Have you any idea how many heterosexual couples can't have babies??Are they abnormal too??
If you don't want your shitty kid to be exposed in society lock it in a basement.Cause I guess sitting down and explain to your kid about sexuality would be too much trouble for you.

 

[Booker]

Keep in mind I respected most of your posts.
You're only delusional when it comes to understanding religion/god and moral standards/homosexuality in this case.

When talking about God, you'd first need to be able to interpret the religious scripts the right way which alk religious fanatics fail at. Read the message between the message when studying religious scripts.

You talk about something that was never created aka always existed. What is your interpretation of god? To me, it's simply energy/the source/consciousness?/vibration. Fact is, deeming some phenomena as 'god almighty' is utterly pointless. It keeps us trapped mentally. The 'faith' religious ppl hold is a form of mental caging.

So... By that, at some point, everything was just created out of nothing? Doesn't it actually make sense that something HAD to have been there to make everything, because otherwise it's just an infinite cycle of something creating another thing.

 

[Vacant]

Society is not one to be in a state of inadequacy. You are suffering from the implosion of being unable to accept ones sexuality preference. Homosexuality is a trait developed by humans in the latter stages of child development, similar to heterosexual or bisexual preferences. Similar to skin tone, ancestry etc. sexuality is a commodity that ourselves must acknowledge. An abundance of genus have portrayed homosexual aptitudes. Humanity as a whole contains several unnatural additions - glasses, cars and the television itself is unnatural, as is the device that yours truly is communicating to you through. You lack the intellectual capacity to accept a humane trait. Please refrain from being a homophobic for the betterment of society.

*Judging that you are one that is within the Generation X or Y, I will presume that by such time that you are in a sufficient age to raise a child, the television will be near obsolete, generally replaced by the Internet Communication System. ​

 

[Booker]

This "they can't have babies" argument is just f*cked up.
Have you any idea how many heterosexual couples can't have babies??Are they abnormal too??
If you don't want your shitty kid to be exposed in society lock it in a basement.Cause I guess sitting down and explain to your kid about sexuality would be too much trouble for you.

Yes, heterosexuals who are sterile are abnormal.

 

[King Of Crows]

People cause wars, not the Bible. It's peoples' interpretations.

Regardless, the Bible was still the flame of those wars.

Yes, heterosexuals who are sterile are abnormal.

:| Wow... So you're for against any person that has an abnormality that they themselves can do nothing about ?

 

[Booker]

By the way, you guys have no idea how much I enjoy debating. Despite the end result, I hope there isn't any hard feelings!

 

[Huang]

That's my entire point.

Something at SOME point had to just EXIST. Like it was never created. You can't explain how the Big Bang formed. That's a fact.

So you believing the Big Bang just always existed is equally as "ridiculous" as me saying God just always existed.

Wow, are you really this stupid? Or can't you read?

The Big-bang isn't a theory, it has left evidence, I told you that. It's no longer a matter of belief.
Now it's simply educated vs stupid, and you're being pretty stupid right now.

To say that you know more than the people who actually do the research without bias, because personal conviction are prohibited in science, is absolute arogance.

You have no evidence for the existance of even one occurance in the doctrine, yet science has provided masses of physical and retraceable evidence for both evolution and the Big-Bang.

What you display here, is what is called; "From ignorance to argument".
You say; We don't know what happened, it must be God.
You're skipping an important piece of information which would actually explain causes in the first place.

You're proud to keep yourself as stupid as possible.

 

[Booker]

Regardless, the Bible was still the flame of those wars.

Food, water, and land have caused more wars than the Bible.

Are they bad too?

 

[Booker]

Wow, are you really this stupid? Or can't you read?

The Big-bang isn't a theory, it has left evidence, I told you that. It's no longer a matter of belief.
Now it's simply educated vs stupid, and you're being pretty stupid right now.

To say that you know more than the people who actually do the research without bias, because personal conviction are prohibited in science, is absolute arogance.

You have no evidence for the existance of even one occurance in the doctrine, yet science has provided masses of physical and retraceable evidence.

What you display here, is what is called; "From ignorance to argument".
You say; We don't know what happened, it must be God.
You're skipping a important piece of information which would actually explain causes in the first place.

You're proud to keep yourself as stupid as possible.

I'm sorry, but all I keep reading is "I have no idea how the Big Bang possibly could have formed from nothing".

I'm not denying the Big bang occurred. In fact, I've toyed with the idea that God created it. Hence, "Let there be light".

 

[Typhon]

Cool, where'd the Big Bang come from?

There are various theories as to how matter came into existence, though as far as I know there isn't one that's accepted by the majority of physicists.

Maybe matter is eternal. Maybe matter was created by God. Maybe matter was created through some physical process that we're yet unaware of. Maybe one of the many theories that exist now are correct.

Plenty of possibilities.


But I fail to see how the possibility a God exists and created the universe justifies a dislike/hatred of homosexuals. In your post you say its not natural, which is factually incorrect. For something to be "natural" it must occur in nature. That's the definition of the word. Homosexuality occurs in nature. Technically we're a part of nature, so what we do is natural. But if your argument is that humans exist outside of "nature", its still true as countless animals have been observed expressing homosexuality.

Unless you change the definition of the word natural, homosexuality is indeed natural.

 

[SonictheHedgehog]

Regardless, the Bible was still the flame of those wars.



:| Wow... So you're for against any person that has an abnormality that they themselves can do nothing about ?

If you have a son who goes and murders 100 people, you are to blame.

See how flawed this logic is?

 

[King Of Crows]

Wow, are you really this stupid? Or can't you read?

The Big-bang isn't a theory, it has left evidence, I told you that. It's no longer a matter of belief.
Now it's simply educated vs stupid, and you're being pretty stupid right now.

To say that you know more than the people who actually do the research without bias, because personal conviction are prohibited in science, is absolute arogance.

You have no evidence for the existance of even one occurance in the doctrine, yet science has provided masses of physical and retraceable evidence for both evolution and the Big-Bang.

What you display here, is what is called; "From ignorance to argument".
You say; We don't know what happened, it must be God.
You're skipping an important piece of information which would actually explain causes in the first place.

You're proud to keep yourself as stupid as possible.

I'm on your side, but the Big Bang Theory is still a theory. Nothing in physics becomes a set law, heck even gravity is still a theory. The big bang theory is absolute given the evidence, but by technical definition it remains a theory.

Food, water, and land have caused more wars than the Bible.

Are they bad too?

Those are necessities to live, the Bible isn't.

 

[Huang]

I'm sorry, but all I keep reading is "I have no idea how the Big Bang possibly could have formed from nothing".

I'm not denying the Big bang occurred. In fact, I've toyed with the idea that God created it. Hence, "Let there be light".

Than you're an idiot, because I did explain you. If you need more, go watch Lawrence Kraus who is expert on this field.

I toyed with that idea too, but then I grew up, and became more educated, and realized I was wrong.

Speak of the devil, Lawrence Krauss is the head scientist who came with the discovery that what you percieve as 'nothing', is not nothing, but infact a lot. Even the smallest bit of space hold a lot of activity, which added to the occurance of the BB.

 

[WhiteDespair]

This made me LOL

 

[Booker]

There are various theories as to how matter came into existence, though as far as I know there isn't one that's accepted by the majority of physicists.

Maybe matter is eternal. Maybe matter was created by God. Maybe matter was created through some physical process that we're yet unaware of. Maybe one of the many theories that exist now are correct.

Plenty of possibilities.


But I fail to see how the possibility a God exists and created the universe justifies a dislike/hatred of homosexuals. In your post you say its not natural, which is factually incorrect. For something to be "natural" it must occur in nature. That's the definition of the word. Homosexuality occurs in nature. Technically we're a part of nature, so what we do is natural. But if your argument is that humans exist outside of "nature", its still true as countless animals have been observed expressing homosexuality.

Unless you change the definition of the word natural, homosexuality is indeed natural.

Okay, I admit natural was a poor word, but I didn't want to use "normal" because people would freak out at that.

And it is not normal. Normal would be what the general consensus of society agrees upon/acts upon, and it's safe to say more than half is heterosexual.

This thread also got a little out of hand.

 

[Forest]

There are various theories as to how matter came into existence, though as far as I know there isn't one that's accepted by the majority of physicists.

Maybe matter is eternal. Maybe matter was created by God. Maybe matter was created through some physical process that we're yet unaware of. Maybe one of the many theories that exist now are correct.

Plenty of possibilities.


But I fail to see how the possibility a God exists and created the universe justifies a dislike/hatred of homosexuals. In your post you say its not natural, which is factually incorrect. For something to be "natural" it must occur in nature. That's the definition of the word. Homosexuality occurs in nature. Technically we're a part of nature, so what we do is natural. But if your argument is that humans exist outside of "nature", its still true as countless animals have been observed expressing homosexuality.

Unless you change the definition of the word natural, homosexuality is indeed natural.

I think homosexuals are just natural anomalies. Because in Nature humans are wired to reproduce heterosexually with the opposite ***, Biologists are saying Homosexuals had some sort of mutation with chromosomes in the mothers womb that made them wired a different way. So yeah of course they are still natural but they are natural anomalies.

 

[Booker]

Than you're an idiot, because I did explain you. If you need more, go watch Lawrence Kraus who is expert on this field.

I toyed with that idea too, but then I grew up, and became more educated, and realized I was wrong.

Speak of the devil, Lawrence Krauss is the head scientist who came with the discovery that what you percieve as 'nothing', is not nothing, but infact a lot. Even the smallest bit of space hold a lot of activity, which added to the occurance of the BB.

Just straight up answer this question then;

How did the FIRST bit of ANYTHING come into existence from NOTHING?

 

[King Of Crows]

Okay, I admit natural was a poor word, but I didn't want to use "normal" because people would freak out at that.

And it is not normal. Normal would be what the general consensus of society agrees upon/acts upon, and it's safe to say more than half is heterosexual.

This thread also got a little out of hand.

So can you at least agree to say that homosexuality is indeed natural by definition -.-

Or are you against the dictionary as well ?