Naruto's "That Jutsu" and Minato's reasoning

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I don't understand. Can you explain it better?
naruto has two seals the swirl one and the other one around it
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the swirly one mixes in with naruto's chakra,but when it does kurama's will comes with it and if that happens kurama will be reborn like during pain
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minato sealed the yin into the reaper death seal giving naruto the yang half
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and said that he knew naruto could control kurama's chakra cause he needs a special power
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the second seal is the seal that the sage invented and passed down
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except it's not exactly the same seal because kurama gets reminded of the sage after he controls kurama's yang chakra
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naruto's cloak filled with life-force sage's body=life-force and yang chakra
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so the swirl-looking swirl leaked filtered yang chakra evolving the other seal back into the one rikudo used which is this one;the tomoe necklace and the swirls around his body representing yang chakra
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You took a lot of effort, but nothing interesting came from your analysis. It was enjoyable to review all my preferred images, but seriously, your reasoning is very flawed (sorry for my being straight). I do encourage you, though, for trying to back your argument. Well, let see how you drawn the wrong conclusion:

Very simple to see. Here, you are mixing everything, seal, chakra, yang, sage body.

You said that Naruto's seal was different from Mito's and Kushina's. Please, can you take us to the source of this intel. Well, I doubt there is any. Rather, I recall Kurama going crazy when he saw the sealing altar. This mean he had seen it before, which in turn suggest that the sealing for his previous Jinchuriki proceeded the same altar method. Thus, it is more likely that he has always been sealed with the same method of sealing. Besides, the sole purpose for high security during Naruto's birth was to prevent Kyuubi's break out due to the weakening of Kushina's seal. This contradicts your argument according which Mito and Kushina were Jinchuriki of Kurama because they had special chakra. This argument is false because we know that they all used a seal to lock the Kyuubi. Their chakra (at least Kushina's ) becomes handy when Kurama is on rampage.

In addition, you partially interpreted Jiraya's statement concerning Kyuubi chakra. In fact, every one use the same interpretation as you, and if it wasn't because of possible translation error and lack of logic in the manga, I would strongly disagree with you. Meanwhile, I will express my disagreement in a mild fashion. Here is the reference:

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If you read carefully, Jiraya said that Minato separated Kyuubi Chakra into Yin and Yang. Then, he added that the reason Minato gave Naruto the Yang is to allow Naruto to possess Kyuubi Chakra. But wait! What is Kyuubi chakra? Well, it is Yang +Yin. Based on this page, I have been saying that only the Yang was necessary for Naruto to possess both Yin and Yang - that is full Kyuubi chakra. Surprisingly, everyone think that he only has Yang, which contradict Jiraya's statement. So, everyone is waiting for Minato to give Naruto the Yin - kind of BS because it is like if Yin was a Biju on its own.

Finally, you may be messing everything to think that Naruto's body is mutating because of Kyuubi's chakra. Rather, I think Naruto's body was already strong. The only problem Naruto had was to mold chakra at Hashirama's level. If Naruto could mold his own chakra without causing Kyuubi to break out, he would have shown all the power he is showing right now. So, what's happening is that Kyuubi's chakra is more than the amount of chakra Naruto needed to regenerate himself, sense emotions, move as fast as Minato etc. My point here is that Kyuubi's chakra is doing nothing special. Rather, it is giving the quantity of chakra Naruto needs. To see that, just see this:

(1) Regeneration - Senju and Uzumaki can once they got load of chakra
- By storing a lot of chakra, Tsunade can regenerate herself. Note that Tsunade did not do this in her teen, because if she could, Orochimaru wouldn't be surprised.
- Hashirama can regenerate instantly, and we know he got load of chakra

- Minato shunshin (body flicker) is very fast. I think Naruto is only faster than his dad body flicker because he has a lot of chakra from Kurama. If Naruto were to mold his own chakra for body flicker he would be as fast as his father, or a bit faster because he would have more chakra anyway.

- Mito could sense emotions, and everyone think it was because of Kyuubi chakra. If she had it as Naruto had, and she could go in KM, then she would also have been able to do the same thing Naruto is doing. Thus, since everyone think it is Kyuubi's chakra power that make Naruto look like Rikudo, this mean Mito should also have look like Rikudo. In this case, Kurama would know that looking like Rikudo is given by his chakra, and therefore, he would not be surprised to see Naruto in Rikudo mode because he shoudl have seen Mito already. thus, it is clear that Kurama being surprised mean that Naruto's appearance is not due to his chakra. The same reasoning means also that actually, sensing emotions is also an Uzumaki power.

- The last reason I think the power Naruto get in KM/BM is his own power revealed by the presence of Kurama's chakra is the techniques Naruto and Kyuubi used to pass Kyuubi chakra to Kakashi and the alliance. At first, when Kuarama gave Kakashi the chakra, we all concluded that it was Kurama's own technique. However, when Naruto used it, Kurama himself said, " Minato, this kid has surpassed both you and Kushina. He has mastered the same technique you used to pass him your chakra, and the number of link he can ..." This mean, actually, that Kurama is the one copying Uzumaki techniques. Everytimes they use their techiniques before him, he learn it, and it seems normal to me because his field of vision is similar to that of Sharingan ( we know that Naruto could compete with Sharingan Sasuke in Kyuubi cloak and now he can spare with MS Obito - which normal vision cannot).

The point of my argument here is that Naruto is only getting lot of fuel (chakra ) from Kyuubi, nothing more. Even without Kyuubi, if Naruto can mold his own chakra and focus it on his cell in the same way Tsunade and Hashirama can do, all his KM/BM power will manifest. I think that Kurama has been stealing or inheriting Uzumaki techniques due to feeding on their physical energy because they are is host.

My Conclusion

EVeryone think Kurama is special and that Rikudo Sennin might have sealed his chkara or soul in him. Actually, I strongly think that this may be the strongest misinterpretation or twisting of fact in the fandom. Kurama may actually not be the special guy here. He has a lot of chakra, but I think the special people here are Naruto and the Uzumaki. They are the one who are making Kyuubi look different from the other tailed beast. Here is the summary of my statement:

We have two groups:

Group 1: Nine tailed beasts with 8 of them having no impressive power. Actually, if Bee wasn't smart, Hachibi would be gone.
Group 2: The Uzumaki clan. All of the Uzumaki shown so far have strong life force and body, and most of them have incredible sensing (Karin, Mito, Nagato, Naruto - 4/5)

From this classification, the best conclusion is that the guy who are sepcial are the Uzumaki. Naruto is the one who have the power in him, not Kyuubi.
 

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You took a lot of effort, but nothing interesting came from your analysis. It was enjoyable to review all my preferred images, but seriously, your reasoning is very flawed (sorry for my being straight). I do encourage you, though, for trying to back your argument. Well, let see how you drawn the wrong conclusion:

Very simple to see. Here, you are mixing everything, seal, chakra, yang, sage body.

You said that Naruto's seal was different from Mito's and Kushina's. Please, can you take us to the source of this intel. Well, I doubt there is any. Rather, I recall Kurama going crazy when he saw the sealing altar. This mean he had seen it before, which in turn suggest that the sealing for his previous Jinchuriki proceeded the same altar method. Thus, it is more likely that he has always been sealed with the same method of sealing. Besides, the sole purpose for high security during Naruto's birth was to prevent Kyuubi's break out due to the weakening of Kushina's seal. This contradicts your argument according which Mito and Kushina were Jinchuriki of Kurama because they had special chakra. This argument is false because we know that they all used a seal to lock the Kyuubi. Their chakra (at least Kushina's ) becomes handy when Kurama is on rampage.

In addition, you partially interpreted Jiraya's statement concerning Kyuubi chakra. In fact, every one use the same interpretation as you, and if it wasn't because of possible translation error and lack of logic in the manga, I would strongly disagree with you. Meanwhile, I will express my disagreement in a mild fashion. Here is the reference:

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If you read carefully, Jiraya said that Minato separated Kyuubi Chakra into Yin and Yang. Then, he added that the reason Minato gave Naruto the Yang is to allow Naruto to possess Kyuubi Chakra. But wait! What is Kyuubi chakra? Well, it is Yang +Yin. Based on this page, I have been saying that only the Yang was necessary for Naruto to possess both Yin and Yang - that is full Kyuubi chakra. Surprisingly, everyone think that he only has Yang, which contradict Jiraya's statement. So, everyone is waiting for Minato to give Naruto the Yin - kind of BS because it is like if Yin was a Biju on its own.

Finally, you may be messing everything to think that Naruto's body is mutating because of Kyuubi's chakra. Rather, I think Naruto's body was already strong. The only problem Naruto had was to mold chakra at Hashirama's level. If Naruto could mold his own chakra without causing Kyuubi to break out, he would have shown all the power he is showing right now. So, what's happening is that Kyuubi's chakra is more than the amount of chakra Naruto needed to regenerate himself, sense emotions, move as fast as Minato etc. My point here is that Kyuubi's chakra is doing nothing special. Rather, it is giving the quantity of chakra Naruto needs. To see that, just see this:

(1) Regeneration - Senju and Uzumaki can once they got load of chakra
- By storing a lot of chakra, Tsunade can regenerate herself. Note that Tsunade did not do this in her teen, because if she could, Orochimaru wouldn't be surprised.
- Hashirama can regenerate instantly, and we know he got load of chakra

- Minato shunshin (body flicker) is very fast. I think Naruto is only faster than his dad body flicker because he has a lot of chakra from Kurama. If Naruto were to mold his own chakra for body flicker he would be as fast as his father, or a bit faster because he would have more chakra anyway.

- Mito could sense emotions, and everyone think it was because of Kyuubi chakra. If she had it as Naruto had, and she could go in KM, then she would also have been able to do the same thing Naruto is doing. Thus, since everyone think it is Kyuubi's chakra power that make Naruto look like Rikudo, this mean Mito should also have look like Rikudo. In this case, Kurama would know that looking like Rikudo is given by his chakra, and therefore, he would not be surprised to see Naruto in Rikudo mode because he shoudl have seen Mito already. thus, it is clear that Kurama being surprised mean that Naruto's appearance is not due to his chakra. The same reasoning means also that actually, sensing emotions is also an Uzumaki power.

- The last reason I think the power Naruto get in KM/BM is his own power revealed by the presence of Kurama's chakra is the techniques Naruto and Kyuubi used to pass Kyuubi chakra to Kakashi and the alliance. At first, when Kuarama gave Kakashi the chakra, we all concluded that it was Kurama's own technique. However, when Naruto used it, Kurama himself said, " Minato, this kid has surpassed both you and Kushina. He has mastered the same technique you used to pass him your chakra, and the number of link he can ..." This mean, actually, that Kurama is the one copying Uzumaki techniques. Everytimes they use their techiniques before him, he learn it, and it seems normal to me because his field of vision is similar to that of Sharingan ( we know that Naruto could compete with Sharingan Sasuke in Kyuubi cloak and now he can spare with MS Obito - which normal vision cannot).

The point of my argument here is that Naruto is only getting lot of fuel (chakra ) from Kyuubi, nothing more. Even without Kyuubi, if Naruto can mold his own chakra and focus it on his cell in the same way Tsunade and Hashirama can do, all his KM/BM power will manifest. I think that Kurama has been stealing or inheriting Uzumaki techniques due to feeding on their physical energy because they are is host.

My Conclusion

EVeryone think Kurama is special and that Rikudo Sennin might have sealed his chkara or soul in him. Actually, I strongly think that this may be the strongest misinterpretation or twisting of fact in the fandom. Kurama may actually not be the special guy here. He has a lot of chakra, but I think the special people here are Naruto and the Uzumaki. They are the one who are making Kyuubi look different from the other tailed beast. Here is the summary of my statement:

We have two groups:

Group 1: Nine tailed beasts with 8 of them having no impressive power. Actually, if Bee wasn't smart, Hachibi would be gone.
Group 2: The Uzumaki clan. All of the Uzumaki shown so far have strong life force and body, and most of them have incredible sensing (Karin, Mito, Nagato, Naruto - 4/5)

From this classification, the best conclusion is that the guy who are sepcial are the Uzumaki. Naruto is the one who have the power in him, not Kyuubi.
That's a bad translation

And I have it fixed and summarized in this theory

And I do think that Kushina and mito had the same seal as naruto but I don't think they had the swirl seal that would leak kuramas chakra during danger or heightened emotions
 
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