Why Hebi Sasuke > Sage Mode Naruto.

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  • Hebi Sasuke > Sage Mode Naruto

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  • Sage Mode Naruto > Hebi Sasuke

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  • Hebi Sasuke and Sasge Mode Naruto are about equal

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SM Naruto that fought Pain would beat Hebi Sasuke low-mid difficulty. This would be obvious if you read this manga properly.
Nice post.


Anyway SM Naruto is faster than Hebi Sasuke since he managed to cover a massive distance and blitz Asura path in a small amount of time. During the time Naruto ran towards Asura path, Tsunade was very surprised which shows that Naruto has the speed to overwhelm kage level opponents easily.
I wonder how massive that distance was. At any rate it was from up to down. Sasuke in CM2 can cover good distance fast . Not to mention he could stand up to itachi's speed w/o CM at all. Even KCM naruto had problems with itachi speedwise.
Naruto in sage mode can so he'll be able to locate Sasuke's positions at all times and even predict what Sasuke is about to do next. Sasuke could do the same with his sharingan but the sharingan can't predict what is happening behind Sasuke. This means Naruto can't get blind sided whereas Sasuke can.
Sasuke isnt sensor that for sure, but its aint that easy to catch him from blind spot as seen him to react to Claiming that naruto can fight by sense guidance alone w/o eye contact is huge speculation.
Naruto's rasengan in base is roughly equal to Sasuke's but in sage mode, . Just compare the size of his rasengan compared to himself whereas Sasuke's chidori isn't even as big as his body.
Thats hardly relevant. Sasuke learned not to clash them since part 1.
In close quarters, Naruto even with Sasuke's precognition since frog katas can't be seen even with the Rinnegan which can see chakra so the sharingan won't tell when Naruto is about to use it.
In close quarters sasuke can instantly pull chidori spear or senbons and even nagashi, to gain range advantage over frog kata, and tactical one of body numbing. Rinnegan failed to see bunch of clones transformed into rocks. It visual capabilities very poor compared to sharingan.
Hebi Sasuke does have the ability to summon various snakes which people tend to forget so he can keep Naruto's toads at bay but doing so will deplete Sasuke's relatively poor chakra reserves whereas Naruto won't lose much chakra from doing so.
Naruto cant summon toads on his own chakra aswell. With sage chakra he could, but that costly move, given that he could do 6 FRS and 10 clones and 6 rasengans b4 running dry. No summoning multiple toads for him. To summon ma n pa takes huge time. Sasuke however managed to summon manda on last chakra bits.
Most of Sasuke's raiton techniques are neutralized by rasenshuriken.
Instant fast attacks get neutralized by kage bunshin + FRS? Jutsu speed wise sasuke has the edge. He can counter FRS with katon thou
As for genjutsu, Naruto can avoid eye contact and still fight even without looking at Sasuke because he can sense Sasuke.
Again, chakra sensing isnt viable guidance system.
If Sasuke manages to prep kirin, he wins, I doubt rasenshuriken will suffice as a counter since lightning kirin is natural lightning, not a chakra nature based attack.
Big kirin needs preparation, small one doesnt. Sasuke intended to end team kakashi with it since reunion chapter. FRS wont be made in time given its speed.
Anyway it should be obvious that the opponent SM Naruto fought was much stronger than anyone Hebi Sasuke faced off against.
It should be obvious. Naruto fougt pein that was on the brake from big ST. HAD intel, had numbers he didnt summon, and lost. (im disregarding whole kyuubi rampage for obvious reasons)
 
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Weaker or not, One of naruto's Sm clones defeated the 3rd raikage.

Assuming naruto would just look into sasuke's eyes when he knows full well of the sharingan's genjutsu's, PLus Shadowclone is just one Sign, takes a second.
Not only can naruto's clones use SM, They can use massive rasengans and even RS.
Multiple Sm clones with large rasengans/Rs or using Frog kata, Sasuke hasn't got a chance without susanoo.
Good luck with sasuke's Katon/Chidori dealing with something like this.
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Also naruto doesn't really need to look at sasuke due to his sensor abilities, Let alone look at him dead in the eyes.
Thats not a part 2 naruto. Naruto at pein arc couldn't perform such feats due to lower chakra reserves available for SM. Shall i remind u he used alot chakra for suppressing kyuubi.
 

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Weaker or not, One of naruto's Sm clones defeated the 3rd raikage.

Assuming naruto would just look into sasuke's eyes when he knows full well of the sharingan's genjutsu's, PLus Shadowclone is just one Sign, takes a second.
Not only can naruto's clones use SM, They can use massive rasengans and even RS.

Multiple Sm clones with large rasengans/Rs or using Frog kata, Sasuke hasn't got a chance without susanoo.

Good luck with sasuke's Katon/Chidori dealing with something like this.
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Also naruto doesn't really need to look at sasuke due to his sensor abilities, Let alone look at him dead in the eyes.
This^^^. Nailed it
 
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Lol what. Did you say KCM Naruto had trouble with Itachi speed wise?

1. He slowed down so he could have a proper conversation with the guy.

2. The sharingan enables him to see Naruto's movements, regardless of how fast they are he can see them. His reaction time is simply very high, though not even close to that of Naruto's.

Not even close brah :cool:
 

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Lol what. Did you say KCM Naruto had trouble with Itachi speed wise?
1. He slowed down so he could have a proper conversation with the guy.
Yes because its not possible to talk with restrained itachi right?
2. The sharingan enables him to see Naruto's movements, regardless of how fast they are he can see them. His reaction time is simply very high, though not even close to that of Naruto's.
Not even close brah :cool:
Well wouldnt this apply to sasuke who had greater base speed enhanced by CM2 and enhanced sharingan on top???
 
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Yes because its not possible to talk with retained itachi right?

Well wouldnt this apply to sasuke who had greater base speed enhanced by CM2 and enhanced sharingan on top???
So you're implying it's possible to hold a conversation while fighting near, if not, the speed of light.
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Sasuke's reaction is indeed fast. I never said Sasuke couldn't keep up with SM Naruto. I was arguing against the fact you said Itachi was on par, speed wise, with KCM Naruto.
 

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So you're implying it's possible to hold a conversation while fighting near, if not, the speed of light.
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Sasuke's reaction is indeed fast. I never said Sasuke couldn't keep up with SM Naruto. I was arguing against the fact you said Itachi was on par, speed wise, with KCM Naruto.
Im sorry. But in this manga u can give a speech while teleporting around or dodgin tons of shit. Naruto slowing down to talk with itachi is nothing but fandom excuse. Nothing even remotely suggests so. Speed of light? LOL? huge overstatement
 

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Im sorry. But in this manga u can give a speech while teleporting around or dodgin tons of shit. Naruto slowing down to talk with itachi is nothing but fandom excuse. Nothing even remotely suggests so.
Excuse me. Let's rephrase this. This isn't Dragon Ball Z. We don't do that here. I was implying Naruto is capable of moving near the speed of light, not Itachi, who is not even close. Again, Itachi keeping up with Naruto, was simply Naruto slowing down to match his speed and reaction time. If you're implying Itachi can match Naruto's near Speed of light movement, go re-read manga. :yay:
 

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Excuse me. Let's rephrase this. This isn't Dragon Ball Z. We don't do that here. I was implying Naruto is capable of moving near the speed of light, not Itachi, who is not even close. Again, Itachi keeping up with Naruto, was simply Naruto slowing down to match his speed and reaction time. If you're implying Itachi can match Naruto's near Speed of light movement, go re-read manga. :yay:
Lol
Show me where the **** it was implied naruto is near speed of light??? Only obito hold such title :p
 

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Excuse me. Let's rephrase this. This isn't Dragon Ball Z. We don't do that here. I was implying Naruto is capable of moving near the speed of light, not Itachi, who is not even close. Again, Itachi keeping up with Naruto, was simply Naruto slowing down to match his speed and reaction time. If you're implying Itachi can match Naruto's near Speed of light movement, go re-read manga. :yay:
If you think Naruto can move anywhere near the speed of light then you need to go re-read the manga.
 

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Lol
Show me where the **** it was implied naruto is near speed of light??? Only obito hold such title :p
The sheer fact of Minato is at the speed of light, if we're going to be technical here. Minato then dodged A at full speed, which then, Naruto also dodged full speed A. Therefor, we can draw a simple, yet abstract in some views, conclusion that Naruto is either on par, or slightly slower than the speed of light. Saying otherwise means, go re-read manga!:vincent:

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Here is why

People will probably say that Sage Mode Naruto > Hebi Sasuke but this is false.

Here's a list of all the abilities of Naruto has to use against Sasuke.

Rasengan

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How Sasuke can obviously counter this?

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Chidori

Summoning Jutsu

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Sasuke can use his own Summoning Jutsu to defeat Gamabunta

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Sage Mode

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Sasuke has Curse Mark + Sharingan + Curse Mark + Orochimaru's Chakra to keep up with Sage Mode Reflexes

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And Sasuke can use Hidden Shadow Snakes to help him in Taijutsu as well

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Kurama

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Sasuke can use his Ocular Powers to supress Kurama

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Rasenshuriken

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Sasuke cannot tank this Jutsu but he could possibly avoid it with the reflexes of Sharingan and Speed of Curse Mark

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And even if he did get hit by it, it could all be an illusion to Naruto, Sasuke can put Naruto in Sharingan Genjutsu just by looking into his eyes and Kurama won't help him and if he did then he would of when Itachi put him in Genjutsu

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Just like when Deidara thought he killed Sasuke

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Overview

Sasuke can manage to kill Naruto by using Katon and setting up Kirin and once that is set up Naruto can't avoid this at all and will die once he has been struck.

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And READ THE THREAD before making a stupid comment.

Great thread, but i think Sm naruto might take it if the battle was drawn out.

But your right SM Naruto doesnt really have anything that could hurt sasuke and he can fly to avoid just about all his attacks
 

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If you think Naruto can move anywhere near the speed of light then you need to go re-read the manga.
*Sorry, had to edit my post.

Anyway, if you think he can't re-read manga. In order for something to be teleported, it needs to reach speeds comparable to the speed of light. In order for something to be instantaneous, the same applies. That's why in real life, teleportation is improbable. In order to achieve such a feat, every electron in your body would need to preform a quantum leap at the same time. Then landing in the desired spot, at the same time, faster than the speed of light, otherwise you would turn, instantly, into jelly. :cool:
 

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The sheer fact of Minato is at the speed of light, if we're going to be technical here. Minato then dodged A at full speed, which then, Naruto also dodged full speed A. Therefor, we can draw a simple, yet abstract in some views, conclusion that Naruto is either on par, or slightly slower than the speed of light. Saying otherwise means, go re-read manga!:vincent:
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Seriously get lost, with such lame logic.
 

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Seriously get lost, with such lame logic.
Itachi not being able to match Naruto, so Naruto matching his speed is lame logic. By that exact logic, Manga facts are lame logic. So the manga should get lost? I'm only using manga facts, so I don't know how you're countering my argument, but it's not a very good one. :O
 

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With CM2 sasuke is extremely resilient, frog kumite surely wont kill him, and its extreamely close range only. Sasuke can use chidory spear and even nagashi to numb or hurt naruto. Better question is how naruto counters genjutsu to even get to kumite???
I guess you didn't see what it did to one of pains paths
Oh well
 
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