Why Sakura's speech in Chapter 630 can be considered one of the most impactful.

[Joshutsu]

I'll tell you why no one likes Sakura:

1. She loves a guy who doesn't care about her, only because he looks cool.

2. For a long time, she had no consideration for Naruto, in fact even despised him when he was clearly a better shinobi. She didn't give a fück about his feelings for her when Sasuke was doing exactly the same thing to her. When a character shuns the main hero, it's only normal that fans will end up hating that character.

3. She cries all the time, unlike other females (Tsunade, Hinata, Temari...) who have more balls than most male characters in the series.

4. In almost all the fights she gets into, she turns out to be useless and steps aside as a spectator (against Zabuza, during the Chuunin survival exam, against Gaara, when Naruto met Orochimaru/Sasuke again in Shippuden, when Sasuke killed Danzo...) In fact the only battle she ever truly fought was against Sasori, and most of the work was being done by Chiyo.

5. She's just boring, doesn't really have that much personality. Who is Sakura, exactly? We don't know about her family, don't know her views about the war and other topics... all we know is that she's desperate for a guy who didn't like her, that she has a hot temper and that she's a medical ninja. Of course there's plenty more details but that's really the essential.


You can only blame Kishimoto, because frankly he sucks at writing proper female characters. Even Tsunade and Hinata are, in the end, supportive characters. There's not a single female Uchiha besides Sasuke's mother, there's not a single female among the top 10 strongest characters... really it's the old fashioned type of story where females are there to make sandwiches and cry when they are not happy. It really surprised me that Hinata had the courage to stand against Pain, but there's no way you'll see Sakura do something like that.

she cared about Naruto from a point in part 1, actually she started to understand him, Naruto and Sakura have grown together and she knows him better than anyone and understands him. Typical teen girl to love the cool guy and ditch the class clown. All the other girls except one loved sasuke.

Instant bias post from the time you put Hinata in there for having balls.... LOL chiyo told Sakura herself she had spirit to rival even a man. Hinata has had like 2 moments that shown a little development from the usual shy her.

Most of the work was not done by chiyo, even when she used her as a puppet she still had to attack with her CES chiyo was only there to assist her with sneaky attacks also she was using one arm so sakura has to rely on herself more.

How many other females have fought and carried it on their own, or fought and turned out not to be 'useless' ? I thought so. How many fights has Sakura had the privilege of participating in in shippuden as well.

Her one battle with sasori tops all the female fights aside from Tsunade. JS

You call Sakura boring and lacking personality? The girl who is well spoken and doesn't take crap from anyone? The one who yells out 'shanaroo!!' when she pumped and ready to go. Havign a hot temper is part of someones personality tho.

She was 'desperate' in part 1, and it changed from that child like love, she cares for sasuke more than she loves him so to speak at this point in time since he left. She watched him walk down that dark path and that was her biggest concern when he was leaving.

You are right Tsunade and Hinata are supporting characters, it is what they were designed to be, she was made a heroine and she will continue doing just that.

 

[Armathyx]

she cared about Naruto from a point in part 1, actually she started to understand him, Naruto and Sakura have grown together and she knows him better than anyone and understands him. Typical teen girl to love the cool guy and ditch the class clown. All the other girls except one loved sasuke.

Instant bias post from the time you put Hinata in there for having balls.... LOL chiyo told Sakura herself she had spirit to rival even a man. Hinata has had like 2 moments that shown a little development from the usual shy her.

Most of the work was not done by chiyo, even when she used her as a puppet she still had to attack with her CES chiyo was only there to assist her with sneaky attacks also she was using one arm so sakura has to rely on herself more.

How many other females have fought and carried it on their own, or fought and turned out not to be 'useless' ? I thought so. How many fights has Sakura had the privilege of participating in in shippuden as well.

Her one battle with sasori tops all the female fights aside from Tsunade. JS

You call Sakura boring and lacking personality? The girl who is well spoken and doesn't take crap from anyone? The one who yells out 'shanaroo!!' when she pumped and ready to go. Havign a hot temper is part of someones personality tho.

She was 'desperate' in part 1, and it changed from that child like love, she cares for sasuke more than she loves him so to speak at this point in time since he left. She watched him walk down that dark path and that was her biggest concern when he was leaving.

You are right Tsunade and Hinata are supporting characters, it is what they were designed to be, she was made a heroine and she will continue doing just that.

Sakura is also a supportive character no matter how you put it. It's not Sakura's decisions or actions that will definitely win the war or even change its course. She will be the first to admit this (just go and see her thoughts during the last Naruto vs Sasuke encounter under the bridge) and even Kishimoto stated that she doesn't make a good heroine for the series.

Her one battle is not as heroic as Konan's final stand against Obito or Tsunade's last stand against Madara, nor is it as brave as Hinata's fight against Pain. It may have been a good battle, but it was one that was destined to be won. Sakura could not die at that point in the series, and Sasori wasn't that much stronger than her and Chiyo combined. Whereas in the other scenarios, the different female characters were standing against impossibly strong opponents.

What does Sakura do against an opponent she can't realistically defeat? (Sasuke, for example...) She backs down and cries and ends up spectating or tending to the weak/wounded/fodder shinobi in the background. This happened against Zabuza, happened against Sasuke (went off to cry while healing Karin), happened against Orochimaru (only tried to help when Naruto was in 4 tails mode and got *****slapped out of the way...).

Really, you spend too much time defending this character and not enough time trying to understand why people hate her in the first place.

 

[Joshutsu]

Sakura is also a supportive character no matter how you put it. It's not Sakura's decisions or actions that will definitely win the war or even change its course. She will be the first to admit this (just go and see her thoughts during the last Naruto vs Sasuke encounter under the bridge) and even Kishimoto stated that she doesn't make a good heroine for the series.

Her one battle is not as heroic as Konan's final stand against Obito or Tsunade's last stand against Madara, nor is it as brave as Hinata's fight against Pain. It may have been a good battle, but it was one that was destined to be won. Sakura could not die at that point in the series, and Sasori wasn't that much stronger than her and Chiyo combined. Whereas in the other scenarios, the different female characters were standing against impossibly strong opponents.

What does Sakura do against an opponent she can't realistically defeat? (Sasuke, for example...) She backs down and cries and ends up spectating or tending to the weak/wounded/fodder shinobi in the background. This happened against Zabuza, happened against Sasuke (went off to cry while healing Karin), happened against Orochimaru (only tried to help when Naruto was in 4 tails mode and got *****slapped out of the way...).

Really, you spend too much time defending this character and not enough time trying to understand why people hate her in the first place.

Kishimoto said she wassn't acting like it, but from then on he would try to portray her as more of a heroine. He also said he was going to deal with her development after kakashi and as we can see it's ending now, need the references check chatte.

Her battle was way more interesting than konan's. All i can say is konan's battle had a msg behind it in terms of her believing in Naruto being the bridge to peace.

I'm not talking about fight in terms of bravery, Sakura was brave stepping out of her usual position to FIGHT and she actually accomplished something doing that. Stop with that destiny crap, plot controls all fights it's what kishi choses to happen. so plot made Sakura live while it didn't help others?

her fight easily tops the leaf girls. I was referring to the leaf women initially but since you mentioned konan i figure why not include her. Even if she tops Sakura that is just two people infront of her for having good fights.

She didn't back down because she couldn't beat sasuke, she knew that she had no chance when she was on her way there. You completely ignore the main point of the plot in situation during that arc. It was in no way for her to fight sasuke or win. She did it so naruto wouldnt have to shoulder the burden of sasuke, and her not being able to kill him showed she still cared for him, not love.

Anyone who tried to go to Naruto in cloak mode would be slapped away, this also shows how much she wanted to help him and cared about him AGAIN thank you for reminding me, she struggled then with feeling she could never do much to help him which is all she ever wanted to do.

I can;t understand why people hate her when people state things that easily counteract most reasons. everyone just choses to ignore them and doesn't understand her character at all. Overall series she just tops the females, she is up there with tsunade, like it or not and two occurances with other females in shippuden won't change an entire anime worth of sakura, even if it is 'useless' time its still more time than the others have gotten and will get in the remainder of this series.

You should read the thread you are arguing with me under. Unless it's too much for you to read as well, its so much easier to bash her right?

 

[Madmadder]

You are right Tsunade and Hinata are supporting characters, it is what they were designed to be, she was made a heroine and she will continue doing just that.

An yet its the tertiary characters that are way more popular than her

 

[Madmadder]

Anyone who tried to go to Naruto in cloak mode would be slapped away, this also shows how much she wanted to help him and cared about him AGAIN thank you for reminding me, she struggled then with feeling she could never do much to help him which is all she ever wanted to do.

When she went after Naruto4tails, they were on a mission to save Sasuke. Anytime she does anything when Sasuke is involved one can safely say her motives are a suspect. Did she go after 4tails to save Naruto or did he go after him so that the mission to 'save' sasuke won't be hindered? Yes she could have been concerned about Naruto too but her motives regarding this will always be a suspect since Sasuke was involved.

 

[l Forgotten l]

Kishimoto said she wassn't acting like it, but from then on he would try to portray her as more of a heroine. He also said he was going to deal with her development after kakashi and as we can see it's ending now, need the references check chatte.

Her battle was way more interesting than konan's. All i can say is konan's battle had a msg behind it in terms of her believing in Naruto being the bridge to peace.

I'm not talking about fight in terms of bravery, Sakura was brave stepping out of her usual position to FIGHT and she actually accomplished something doing that. Stop with that destiny crap, plot controls all fights it's what kishi choses to happen. so plot made Sakura live while it didn't help others?

her fight easily tops the leaf girls. I was referring to the leaf women initially but since you mentioned konan i figure why not include her. Even if she tops Sakura that is just two people infront of her for having good fights.

She didn't back down because she couldn't beat sasuke, she knew that she had no chance when she was on her way there. You completely ignore the main point of the plot in situation during that arc. It was in no way for her to fight sasuke or win. She did it so naruto wouldnt have to shoulder the burden of sasuke, and her not being able to kill him showed she still cared for him, not love.

Anyone who tried to go to Naruto in cloak mode would be slapped away, this also shows how much she wanted to help him and cared about him AGAIN thank you for reminding me, she struggled then with feeling she could never do much to help him which is all she ever wanted to do.

I can;t understand why people hate her when people state things that easily counteract most reasons. everyone just choses to ignore them and doesn't understand her character at all. Overall series she just tops the females, she is up there with tsunade, like it or not and two occurances with other females in shippuden won't change an entire anime worth of sakura, even if it is 'useless' time its still more time than the others have gotten and will get in the remainder of this series.

You should read the thread you are arguing with me under. Unless it's too much for you to read as well, its so much easier to bash her right?

He/She isnt even bashing her, you only think he is bashing her because of his/her negative things to say about sakura, if you think his statements are bashing then you not stop riding sakura that hard.And I agree with him, sakura is better off on being a supporting character. You wonder why people hate her?Its because she is a main character who wastes so much time on nothing. She only had one decent fight which was the only one, her develop is weak, she has only had 2 improvements from part 1 which is her medic skills and her superstrength,the medical field is the only place she can qualify, the battlefield should be off limits to her. Sakura cannot be a main character with her current level, i hate to even call her one because she doesnt fit the role, she should just be a side character, who supports naruto, still loves sasuke or w.e twilight shizz she is on, and trust me people would like her way more. The things she does with her panel time is perfect for a side character.

 

[AaaaNinja]

You have a very interesting grasp of the English language. The word review has more than one definition but you are focusing on some weird ones. You're talking about the kind of review which is what a teacher does with their students. Some teachers spend part of class time reviewing the last class's homework to perhaps help students grasp the parts they had a hard time with. Of course most of those types of reviews are free of opinion, how is it possible to be biased about a math problem? Maybe that is why the videos that call themselves reviews don't seem to match the definition.

That is the type of "review" that you're giving with your essay which is a lot like all the other essays that you write.

Another definition of the word review is: "A report or essay giving a critical estimate of a work or performance (Collins)." Somebody who is sharing what they think of a chapter or an episode is legitimately giving a review. A review can be as simple as, "I thought it was good." If you look up the word "opinion" in the dictionary, it has a very similar definition to "review", "evaluation, impression, or estimation of the value or worth of a person or thing (Collins)." It's not a misunderstanding, a personal opinion of a work is a review.

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First they give a brief overview of what the movie is about and who is in it, just to help the audience become familiar with it, and then the rest of the video is the two of them saying what they liked and disliked and whether they recommend it. Yes, they're sharing their opinions. They are giving a review.

The point of the review such as the one I linked to above is to assist people in deciding if they want to watch the movie. A reviewer could say something like "Dakota Fanning was in this movie and I'm not a huge fan but her performance in this was one of her best." It doesn't spoil anything and gives the reader useful information. It would be a very bad idea to analyze in depth because it would give the movie away! NO SPOILERS

I don't mind biased reviews because I'm smart enough to recognize them and it doesn't make the information that they're giving less valuable. I like watching reviews because it's interesting to see what I might have missed. Sometimes reviewers will make connections that I never noticed. I can ignore the bias. But KingofLightning is one reviewer I don't really like much because there was this one time he started calling his viewers stupid over a silly detail having to do with whether Madara was lying about the number of brothers he had.

 

[Edge]

At the end of the day you're fighting with real people over an imaginary person.

 

[Joshutsu]

An yet its the tertiary characters that are way more popular than her

Not because Sakura is not as popular in your little world means she isn't overall, you don't know how it is throughout other places. Tsundere's are popular in asian cultures when it comes to anime.

When she went after Naruto4tails, they were on a mission to save Sasuke. Anytime she does anything when Sasuke is involved one can safely say her motives are a suspect. Did she go after 4tails to save Naruto or did he go after him so that the mission to 'save' sasuke won't be hindered? Yes she could have been concerned about Naruto too but her motives regarding this will always be a suspect since Sasuke was involved.

She said it herself. So that is why i can safely say she cared for him. She couldn't stand to see him in such a state. Just like when sasuke went cold blooded killer in the forest of death. I don't see how at all this could be her only caring because of sasuke and only for the purpose of the mission. When Naruto going pae shit and possibly taking out oro would have been helpful to the mission. he was ofc an obstacle to getting to sasuke.

He/She isnt even bashing her, you only think he is bashing her because of his/her negative things to say about sakura, if you think his statements are bashing then you not stop riding sakura that hard.And I agree with him, sakura is better off on being a supporting character. You wonder why people hate her?Its because she is a main character who wastes so much time on nothing. She only had one decent fight which was the only one, her develop is weak, she has only had 2 improvements from part 1 which is her medic skills and her superstrength,the medical field is the only place she can qualify, the battlefield should be off limits to her. Sakura cannot be a main character with her current level, i hate to even call her one because she doesnt fit the role, she should just be a side character, who supports naruto, still loves sasuke or w.e twilight shizz she is on, and trust me people would like her way more. The things she does with her panel time is perfect for a side character.

Oh? I'm sorry if i think constantly stressing on the negatives and ignoring the positives is character bashing/bias.

Well, who do you suggest take her place? I can't wait to hear it.

Main character in Naruto has a qualification of being strong? That's news to me, how can her panel time be a waste when it's almost always in conjunction with something else relating to her? Guess what though, she isn't moving from that spot so i guess everyone will have to hate her. Theres no other female to fill that spot with the standards you have set. Unless its going to be Tsunade. :x

 

[Armathyx]

Kishimoto said she wassn't acting like it, but from then on he would try to portray her as more of a heroine. He also said he was going to deal with her development after kakashi and as we can see it's ending now, need the references check chatte.

Her battle was way more interesting than konan's. All i can say is konan's battle had a msg behind it in terms of her believing in Naruto being the bridge to peace.

I'm not talking about fight in terms of bravery, Sakura was brave stepping out of her usual position to FIGHT and she actually accomplished something doing that. Stop with that destiny crap, plot controls all fights it's what kishi choses to happen. so plot made Sakura live while it didn't help others?

her fight easily tops the leaf girls. I was referring to the leaf women initially but since you mentioned konan i figure why not include her. Even if she tops Sakura that is just two people infront of her for having good fights.

She didn't back down because she couldn't beat sasuke, she knew that she had no chance when she was on her way there. You completely ignore the main point of the plot in situation during that arc. It was in no way for her to fight sasuke or win. She did it so naruto wouldnt have to shoulder the burden of sasuke, and her not being able to kill him showed she still cared for him, not love.

Anyone who tried to go to Naruto in cloak mode would be slapped away, this also shows how much she wanted to help him and cared about him AGAIN thank you for reminding me, she struggled then with feeling she could never do much to help him which is all she ever wanted to do.

I can;t understand why people hate her when people state things that easily counteract most reasons. everyone just choses to ignore them and doesn't understand her character at all. Overall series she just tops the females, she is up there with tsunade, like it or not and two occurances with other females in shippuden won't change an entire anime worth of sakura, even if it is 'useless' time its still more time than the others have gotten and will get in the remainder of this series.

You should read the thread you are arguing with me under. Unless it's too much for you to read as well, its so much easier to bash her right?

Yes her battle was more interesting than Konan's, of course. An even battle is always more interesting to watch than a one sided battle. Two fodder shinobi fighting with katanas, shuriken and kunai for an hour make a more interesting fight than Madara roflstomping the five Kage. But what I'm saying is that Konan at least had the nerve to follow Naruto's ideals and stand up against someone impossibly strong, something Sakura isn't capable of doing.

and her not being able to kill him showed she still cared for him, not love.

Wrong, I'm going to remind you exactly why she backed down:

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She backed down because she doesn't know what she's doing, she can't make up her mind. This is the whole problem with her character, how can we respect someone who doesn't know what she wants?

Then again, remind yourself that this is only a fictional character. It's not "Sakura" who is at fault for being useless, it's Kishimoto's failure at making female characters. I too try and see heroes in the many female characters of the Narutoverse, but even my favourite character Tsunade ends up being useless as the plot makes her expendable.

Really if I'm bashing on anything it's Kishimoto's plot.

 

[Joshutsu]

Yes her battle was more interesting than Konan's, of course. An even battle is always more interesting to watch than a one sided battle. Two fodder shinobi fighting with katanas, shuriken and kunai for an hour make a more interesting fight than Madara roflstomping the five Kage. But what I'm saying is that Konan at least had the nerve to follow Naruto's ideals and stand up against someone impossibly strong, something Sakura isn't capable of doing.



Wrong, I'm going to remind you exactly why she backed down:

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She backed down because she doesn't know what she's doing, she can't make up her mind. This is the whole problem with her character, how can we respect someone who doesn't know what she wants?

Then again, remind yourself that this is only a fictional character. It's not "Sakura" who is at fault for being useless, it's Kishimoto's failure at making female characters. I too try and see heroes in the many female characters of the Narutoverse, but even my favourite character Tsunade ends up being useless as the plot makes her expendable.

Really if I'm bashing on anything it's Kishimoto's plot.

I think her battle with sasori was influenced by her promise to Naruto that next time she would be useful, partly the reason why she didn't stay out of it. But yes konan's fight was following Naruto's ideals, which were her own at one point to have peace but ofc it was warped and all.

I was talking about the part when she stood where with the kunai to his back as well, why couldn't she do it? If she didn't care about sasuke at all. Which connects to the part about her not knowing what she wants as you said, she thought she could do it and she was over him but then she realised when she had the chance she couldn't. The whole occurance to me was for Sakura and for her to come to realization.

I always try to tell people it is a fictional character, people always say 'why couldn't she' or 'she could have' kishi has jobs for each of his characters. But i guess if we though of a guy controlling everyones actions the series would be a bit more dull. But w/e

I do like Tsunade more than Sakura, but i dislike people giving these things a heroine should be and selecting other female ninja who don't fit it either. It's just a thing with females and the anime we can't change.

 

[Mellanoma]

Congratulations on not getting anything. You probably didn't even read it, did you?
If you don't have anything useful to say, do, please, exclude yourself out of this thread, thank you!



Oh, how nice of you. Let personal feelings aside and if you have something to discuss in a decent manner, do it, if not, you are free to leave, than you.
That over-used excuse because no one is capable of thinking why her appearance is now and why does it makes sense to be now. If you would have been reading the same manga, you'd have noticed it but, of course, it's easier to make it look like a pairing thing.
I see the only reason you read the manga is for the pairings?

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You can't make a thread then only want people who agree with you to post lol

 

[Madmadder]

Not because Sakura is not as popular in your little world means she isn't overall, you don't know how it is throughout other places. Tsundere's are popular in asian cultures when it comes to anime.

'My Little World' - This is so strange about this forum. You cannot bash a character but you can bash a real person when you do not even know me. I am going by numerous poles in numerous site that I googled to 10 pages deep and guess what? Non of them have listed Sakura as the most popular female in Narutoverse. Not so 'little' a world after all.

 

[Armathyx]

I think her battle with sasori was influenced by her promise to Naruto that next time she would be useful, partly the reason why she didn't stay out of it. But yes konan's fight was following Naruto's ideals, which were her own at one point to have peace but ofc it was warped and all.

I was talking about the part when she stood where with the kunai to his back as well, why couldn't she do it? If she didn't care about sasuke at all. Which connects to the part about her not knowing what she wants as you said, she thought she could do it and she was over him but then she realised when she had the chance she couldn't. The whole occurance to me was for Sakura and for her to come to realization.

I always try to tell people it is a fictional character, people always say 'why couldn't she' or 'she could have' kishi has jobs for each of his characters. But i guess if we though of a guy controlling everyones actions the series would be a bit more dull. But w/e

I do like Tsunade more than Sakura, but i dislike people giving these things a heroine should be and selecting other female ninja who don't fit it either. It's just a thing with females and the anime we can't change.

Yeah but in the end I find this mentality by Kishi stupid. I would also have liked Sakura to be the great heroine Chatte thinks she is, but she just isn't.

We live in a time when women are no longer seen as useless people who stay in the kitchen and make sandwiches. Look at the new movies, games (League of Legends probably has more female heroes than males...) stories and so on. But in Japan it seems they still have a hard time getting the idea.

Hashirama could be a woman. Same skills, exact same personality, same role, same strength. What would be the problem? Nagato could be a woman. Heck even Sasuke could be, would have made the whole "friendship" story more interesting (can a guy and a girl have a true friendship without love, that kind of intrigue). But anyway, why aren't they? There's no problem at all with having one or two of the top 10 strongest being females. But no, in Kishi's mind they all have to be supportive characters who make sandwiches, sorry I mean heal people, or even worse, decorative characters for you to pity when they cry.

 

[Uzumakisan]

Really good text... would be even better if you took off the complaints about readers. (which feels like 50% of it)
But yes, most of those haters are too lazy to read between the lines.

 

[Joshutsu]

'My Little World' - This is so strange about this forum. You cannot bash a character but you can bash a real person when you do not even know me. I am going by numerous poles in numerous site that I googled to 10 pages deep and guess what? Non of them have listed Sakura as the most popular female in Narutoverse. Not so 'little' a world after all.

Yet you have not touched on any foreign fan bases, i didn't know you spoke other languages. So yes your world is still 'little' ^_^ Not everyone that watches and supports this series goes to a forum toots

 

[Nous]

I must say, that was an amazing analysis and you brought forward several good argumentation's. It is unfortunate that the Naruto Fanbase (not solely NarutoBase) offers Sakura so much hate. I am not a Sakura fanboy by any means; nor am I a Sakura fan. I like her as a character and she deserves more respect for her actions. I believe that this speech, as stated was on of the more influential speeches. I haven't put much thought into the ranking but I believe her speech is on par with Gaara's Speech during the Beginning of the 4SWW or the plethora of speeches that Naruto has given.

Overall, excellent thread. Love the effort and how you're posting a lot more again =D =D

 

[fayeon]

damn it I love you sakura :t_t:


She is true shinobi indeed

 

[Honord Sage]

Looking more and more like a swan song.

 

[Simplified]

Basically, this is a thread defending Sakura...
Anybody could have said what she said, it really wasn't anything special. As for her role in the manga, I believe it's simply to support Naruto and Sasuke. Nothing more, nothing less. The whole reason she even became a medical ninja was to find a way to be useful to them.