Tsunade & Minato vs Kisame & Orochimaru

[pateuvasiliu]

Also, Kisame himself has the feat to obsorb charka through contact

Don't compare that fodder he absorbed with Tsunade.

 

[TheEvilOne]

As shown against Bee, Samehada drains ones chakra rather easily

Also, Kisame himself has the feat to obsorb charka through contact

I'm fully avare of that. But considering the fact Tsunade's base strength is great enough to crush stones, I don't see how can Samaheda touch her without risking the chance Tsunade killing him.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

If you're going to counter, counter everything.

What prep time. He has kunais in Konoha.

Anyhow, he doesn't need to port it to Konoha. For all I care he can port it to Tsunade who breaks it in two.

Assuming that Minato manages to separate Samehada from a master swordsmen.

Yes he does.

First of all, Kisame has no intel on FTG.

Secondly he doesn't know Tsunade is marked with FTG.

Minato can simply jump to Tsunade if things get awry.

Whether he does or not is uncertain. However, his teammate Orochimaru does. It's not like it's a hard technique to grasp. Minato only needs to showcase it once for Kisame to understand how it works.

Meanwhile Orochimaru sits a watches? ...Right?

That's bull.

By that logic, Kisame will be able to absorb a bijuudama.

Kisame already took a v2 lariat and his chest went boom. If Minato rasengans him, he will suffer similar damage or even greater since rasengan > lariat.

However, if he gets rasengan'd he will be taggled and then Minato simply rasengans him in the head or stabs a kunai in his head.

This is not debatable, once he is marked he is dead. He has no way to react to FTG or avoid a kunai in the face since Minato can appear anywhere around him.

I was obviously referring to something within his capabilities. I never said no matter the size.

Yeah sure, rasengan that will be getting absorbed thus making it significantly weaker > V2 skull Lariat. Please spare me the bullshit.
Minato is just going to keep on fueling Kisame while his chakra is getting drained. Great strategy.

You had no real counter to this what so ever, yet you claim it's not even debatable.

1. Kisame can take shelter under water
2. Mizu Bunshins

1. Kisame taking shelter under water is a very viable counter for FTG because Minato will not be able to utilize his unmatched speed here. On the contrary, Kisame is

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without his fusion mode with Samehada. Now, here is where you are wrong. Kisame is able to create shark missiles by the hundreds to thousands. This number is far greater then the amount of Kunais Minato is able to spread out, thus overwhelming him with an impossible amount to avoid. If Minato is waiting on the surface, he will get hit by an undodgeable onslaught of sharks. If he decides to teleport to any sunken Kunai, he can be met by Kisame or any amount of his sharks there as well. Without prep time or any way of completely teleporting out of the battlefield, he has no way of avoiding 1,000 of Kisames sharks as his amount of Kunai selection pales in comparison.

2. Water Clones are another viable counter for FTG. Being that Minato has to throw his Kunais at Kisame, the clones can not only defend Kisame, but

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upon contact and capture not only the Kunai, but possibly Minato as well into a water prison. Now, if Minato didn't spread his FTG Kunai around prior to this, then he has no way of getting out other then summoning a giant toad. Even then, the toad and Minato are still susceptible to getting caught in a larger water prison immediately after. Also, before I move on, I'd like to point out that Water Clones have

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This might not sound like a lot, but while discussing Kisame, this is. A Kisame clone with 3/10 of his original power is more then enough for him to create a giant lake, imagine what a bunch of clones with 1/10 of his power can do as well.

If you can't counter all my points, don't respond.

lol.

Implying draining someone with more chakra than the 4kages combined is something easy.

Even though he did it to Bee and the 2nd strongest bijuu quite comfortably.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Assuming that Minato manages to separate Samehada from a master swordsmen.

Huh?

All he needs to do is touch it and Kisame's speed isn't amazing.

Whether he does or not is uncertain. However, his teammate Orochimaru does. It's not like it's a hard technique to grasp. Minato only needs to showcase it once for Kisame to understand how it works.

Meanwhile Orochimaru sits a watches? ...Right?

Orochimaru will be half the battlefield away since if they fight Minato can warp to Tsunade instantly whereas Oro will have to run back.

Kisame has no intel on FTG and there is no proof that Orochimaru does, either.

Yeah sure, rasengan that will be getting absorbed thus making it significantly weaker > V2 skull Lariat. Please spare me the bullshit.

No, I won't spare you facts. Everything rasengan hit was either killed or maimed.

Lariat didn't kill anyone.

Rasengan > Lariat

Minato's Rasengan > Naruto's

Minato is just going to keep on fueling Kisame while his chakra is getting drained. Great strategy.

When Kisame absorbed Lariat he was almost dead. Samehada had to heal him. Rasengan is stronger than lariat.

Samehada can't heal him if he gets constantly rasengan'd. Also kunai to the head. Tell me how he absorbs or counters that.

Even though he did it to Bee and the 2nd strongest bijuu quite comfortably.

Yeah, poor Bee was so drained he could only switch to full bijuu mod-

oh wait.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Not even going to bother wasting my time until you can counter how I stated Kisame deals with FTG which you so conveniently ignore.

Last time. Counter or don't respond with your laughable bullshit.

Countering FTG

1. Kisame can take shelter under water
2. Mizu Bunshins

1. Kisame taking shelter under water is a very viable counter for FTG because Minato will not be able to utilize his unmatched speed here. On the contrary, Kisame is

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without his fusion mode with Samehada. Now, here is where you are wrong. Kisame is able to create shark missiles by the hundreds to thousands. This number is far greater then the amount of Kunais Minato is able to spread out, thus overwhelming him with an impossible amount to avoid. If Minato is waiting on the surface, he will get hit by an undodgeable onslaught of sharks. If he decides to teleport to any sunken Kunai, he can be met by Kisame or any amount of his sharks there as well. Without prep time or any way of completely teleporting out of the battlefield, he has no way of avoiding 1,000 of Kisames sharks as his amount of Kunai selection pales in comparison.

2. Water Clones are another viable counter for FTG. Being that Minato has to throw his Kunais at Kisame, the clones can not only defend Kisame, but

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upon contact and capture not only the Kunai, but possibly Minato as well into a water prison. Now, if Minato didn't spread his FTG Kunai around prior to this, then he has no way of getting out other then summoning a giant toad. Even then, the toad and Minato are still susceptible to getting caught in a larger water prison immediately after. Also, before I move on, I'd like to point out that Water Clones have

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This might not sound like a lot, but while discussing Kisame, this is. A Kisame clone with 3/10 of his original power is more then enough for him to create a giant lake, imagine what a bunch of clones with 1/10 of his power can do as well.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

how I stated Kisame deals with FTG which you so conveniently ignore.

You base your argument on the assumption that Kisame has FTG knowledge.

I do not have to counter an argument based on an assumption because it is invalid.

 

[blazekev90]

I'm fully avare of that. But considering the fact Tsunade's base strength is great enough to crush stones, I don't see how can Samaheda touch her without risking the chance Tsunade killing him.

*Sigh* Tsunade is very predictable with average speed. Kisame (as Kabuto) will be able to dodge and counter. While trying to defend against Kisame, Tsunade will need block his attacks and as she doesn't have the greatest reflexes this will not be too difficult. If this is too demanding, Kisame can use (can't remember the name) shark missile, which is a huge long range attack that too drains chakra

 

[Forbidden Technique]

You base your argument on the assumption that Kisame has FTG knowledge.

I do not have to counter an argument based on an assumption because it is invalid.

Maybe if you would read the manga, you'd know it's not an assumption.

Despite Minatos reputation by many as being the "Yellow flash" Kisame has absolutely no knowledge on him? Even though random fodder have such knowledge [

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Obito who fought Minato and has full knowledge on FTG, was practically the Mizukage for quite some time and recruited Kisame himself. Yet it's absurd to say Kisame has no intel on it.

Then his teammate, Orochimaru, who knows nearly everything about everything, who dedicated his life studying every jutsu there is, has no knowledge on it either? Please. Orochimaru was around during the time of Minato becoming Hokage [

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] But of course Orochimaru wouldn't know of anything Minato is capable of, right? Furthermore it's quite obvious Minato and Orochimaru have encountered each other before [

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It's not even possible to refute the fact that Orochimaru has knowledge on Minato so you can stop spouting your bullshit and go ahead and counter.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Maybe if you would read the manga, you'd know it's not an assumption.

Despite Minatos reputation by many as being the "Yellow flash" Kisame has absolutely no knowledge on him? Even though random fodder have such knowledge [1]-[2]
Obito who fought Minato and has full knowledge on FTG, was practically the Mizukage for quite some time and recruited Kisame himself. Yet it's absurd to say Kisame has no intel on it.

First of all, neither Ay nor the fodder knew how FTG worked. All they knew was that Minato was fast and was named the Yellow Flash.

Why would Obito tell Kisame about FTG? Minato was dead.

Then his teammate, Orochimaru, who knows nearly everything about everything, who dedicated his life studying every jutsu there is, has no knowledge on it either? Please.

There is no proof to suggest he knew of it, or how it worked, at least.

Obito did not know Minato can warp to a kunai, just as Kakashi didn't, seen when he was surprised that Minato was able to come to them and save them during Gaiden.

You are pulling at straws.

 

[Red Slayer]

If Edo Tensei is allowed, Team 2 stomps.
If not, it really depends on who is facing who; if it's Orochimaru vs Minato and Kisame vs Tsunade, then Tsunade gets snapped up and Orochimaru wins (Team 2 win). If it's Minato vs Kisame and Orochimaru vs Tsunade, I'd say Team 1 could win.

it isn't 1 on 1 battle it is team vs team battle.

 

[Red Slayer]

They were not dead on impact.

Rasengan killed Deva, sand guy, Spiral Zetsu and would have killed Kabuto.



Okay, he absorbs it. He gets tagged and then rasenganed until he dies.

How many do you think he can absorb?

how much chakra Minato has? much than Hachibi?hmmhmm

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

how much chakra Minato has? much than Hachibi?hmmhmm

Considering the fact the FTG requires a lot of chakra, most likely he had high level chakra reserves.

 

[Red Slayer]

Considering the fact the FTG requires a lot of chakra, most likely he had high level chakra reserves.

yeah sure he has much chakra their is no doubt but their is no chance that he has more chakra than Hachibi.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Of course he is not Bijuu level, but his chakra is beastly.

how much chakra Minato has? much than Hachibi?

That's not my point.

My point is that Kisame may absorb one or two, but Minato can keep spamming Rasengan or simply stab him.

It is not a costly technique, Konohamaru can use it in tandem with a Kage bunshin.

 

[tell it all]

Team 2 Kisame> Minato, Oro>Tsunade Minato nor Tsuande can't kill their opponents. Kisame tnks and heals. Oro simple tanks U.U

 

[Forbidden Technique]

First of all, neither Ay nor the fodder knew how FTG worked. All they knew was that Minato was fast and was named the Yellow Flash.


There is no proof to suggest he knew of it, or how it worked, at least.

Obito did not know Minato can warp to a kunai, just as Kakashi didn't, seen when he was surprised that Minato was able to come to them and save them during Gaiden.

You are pulling at straws.

Just by looking at the tag the fodder distinguished it to be a body flicker technique, even though he wasn't exactly correct, he knew enough that FTG is a high speed movement of some sort. It would be silly to say Orochimaru being the genius he is, has absolutely no knowledge on FTG and how it works; especially when he knew enough about someone not even in his generation, Tobirama and his ET, which Orochimaru mastered on his own.

It literally took Ay and Bee one time for Minato to use his FTG to figure it out.
If a Kunai is being thrown at them, it will be deflected... And if they don't have knowledge on FTG then that only means they will take precaution. Orochimaru and Kisame not knowing the full extent of how it works doesn't hamper there chances of winning. Unless you're implying Minato will finish them both with a single FTG, which wouldn't surprise me coming from you.

You have no counter for the points I have presented thus you resorting to a ridiculous claim that Orochimaru and Kisame are retarded and have not even a general idea of what Minato is capable of despite nearly everyone having some sort of intel on him.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

One use is more than enough for them to get tagged.

Orochimaru has no knowledge on FTG until proven wrong, since Obito did not know of FTG v2 and he was Minato's student.

Even then, they do not know Tsunade is tagged and once Kisame engages her he will get tagged and killed.

 

[TheEvilOne]

One use is more than enough for them to get tagged.

Orochimaru has no knowledge on FTG until proven wrong, since Obito did not know of FTG v2 and he was Minato's student.

Even then, they do not know Tsunade is tagged and once Kisame engages her he will get tagged and killed.

Even the random fodders have knowledge about the FTG. Do you really believe a legendary Sannin has no knowledge about it?

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Even the random fodders have knowledge about the FTG. Do you really believe a legendary Sannin has no knowledge about it?

He knows of it, sure, but does he know how it works?

Minato's comrades had to be told to throw his kunais across the battlefield. They had no clue that is how Minato warps.

Obito and Rin, both his students, had no clue how FTG works, seen when Obito was owned by FTG v2.

 

[Thundergod123]

Who wins
Team 1 Tsunade & Minato
Or
Team 2

Team 1 wins, WTF....?