naruto SM vs pain review- without kurama and plot.

[Wolfus]

Many people say that naruto only defeated rikudou no pain because of plot no jutsu and kurama. I was rewatching thr fight and I realised that maybe naruto could've defeated pain without those. I'll explain

We saw in naruto's fights (mostly with the third rakage) that SM naruto clone is kage lvl. The first thing is that naruto barely used his clones against pain( he only used it to kill one path, to send summonings to the air and to make rasengans). He would have a great advantage. He could send the 2 clones to fight with the paths, it would make the fight easier.
Also when deva path used banshou tenin, he could've used the clones to hold him, considering that sage mode is really strong. A little before that, he was on top of preta path, just about to punch him, but he waited for the clone to defeat the other path, and he could've defeated preta right there.

The last thing is when preta path grabbed him and absorved SM chakra. Naruto entered SM again and preta absorved it
again. When preta was turning into stone, naruto could've entered sage mode again, instead of holding still.

Basically, if naruto used his clones more wisely, he could have ended in a 1x1 with deva path without turning into version 2

Pay attention guys, I'm considering the same conditions in the original fight(deva didnt start with it's power) and that deva would'nt use chibaku tensei against SM naruto.
That's it, I hope you liked it. Keep in mind that these are my conclusions, and you can always share yours. Thanks.

 

[tenten fan]

You're right.

 

[gjpaixao13]

Considering all possibilites, Nagato could have won that fight more times then Naruto. Remember that he didn't want to kill him, just capture. He could have killed him twice...

 

[rikuxreborn]

its true, but were never gonna know since it ended the way it did, a good fight anyway, but good point sir :yeah:

 

[Zorø]

Pein owns Naruto GTFO. Theres no way SM is beating deva path

 

[take it easy]

Pein owns Naruto GTFO. Theres no way SM is beating deva path

and you forget about plot rinnegan

 

[VongolaX]

Pein owns Naruto GTFO. Theres no way SM is beating deva path

Too bad he did, with base rasengan

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

I disagree deva path wasn't charged yet after the nuking of the village if he was and we know Nagato uses deva path as main he would've finished naruto I mean he handles sage naruto by him self and was taking on a 6tailed naruto

Reason why ppl and I say naruto won because plot no jutsu is because naruto clearly was out of chakra he couldn't go demon anymore because he already did it and I think kishi said (before he bonded with kurama) was tht it shortened his life span or something well anyway he couldn't go demon anymore so he had nothing left Nagato clearly had whole lot of chakra left to revive entire village so with tht being said clearly if kishi hadn't made naruto talk no jutsu Nagato and Nagato wanted to kill him he would've....

Also through out this entire fight Nagato didn't run out of chakra so I'm guessing Nagato has at the very least bijuu level chakra

 

[VongolaX]

I'm calling this out, if naruto was able to fuse with the frogs and fully mastered sage mode meaning ( staying in sage mode more than five minutes)...Naruto would of destroyed pain with low to med diff

 

[take it easy]

naruto tomp nagato without plot rinnegan without diff

 

[ImAFish]

Naruto was saved by the following:

Hinata making him go rage mode
The fox pretty much owning pain
and mostly he would have been consumed by kurama if minato didn't step in

 

[Champ]

You right. Naruto only won cause of plot.

 

[VongolaX]

I disagree deva path wasn't charged yet after the nuking of the village if he was and we know Nagato uses deva path as main he would've finished naruto I mean he handles sage naruto by him self and was taking on a 6tailed naruto

Reason why ppl and I say naruto won because plot no jutsu is because naruto clearly was out of chakra he couldn't go demon anymore because he already did it and I think kishi said (before he bonded with kurama) was tht it shortened his life span or something well anyway he couldn't go demon anymore so he had nothing left Nagato clearly had whole lot of chakra left to revive entire village so with tht being said clearly if kishi hadn't made naruto talk no jutsu Nagato and Nagato wanted to kill him he would've....

Also through out this entire fight Nagato didn't run out of chakra so I'm guessing Nagato has at the very least bijuu level chakra

You know all the chakra he absorbed from preta unabled him to use a huge shrina tensei?

Nagato doesn't have bijuu level chakra, pein said that kisame has the most chakra in akatsuki.... Which is bijuu level

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[Wolfus]

Naruto was saved by the following:

Hinata making him go rage mode
The fox pretty much owning pain
and mostly he would have been consumed by kurama if minato didn't step in

I agree, but what I'm trying to say is that maybe naruto could've defeated pain without goingo kyubi mode.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

You know all the chakra he absorbed from preta unabled him to use a huge shrina tensei?

Nagato doesn't have bijuu level chakra, pein said that kisame has the most chakra in akatsuki, which is bijuu level

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He has more chakra then Ay who was said to have tailed beast level chakra :/
Nagato is an uzimaki and they were said to have strongest chakra levels in series
Just like senju have strongest life force stamina

And if u wanna play it card by card while kisam e does bijuu level chakra u can't deny at the very least Half of tht is from samheada :/ so what if Nagato has preta path u need a big tank to hold all chakra in it
It's like having a gas tank u fill it up with gas but if u overfill it it will explode clearly Nagato is used to tht level of chakra :/ and he only absorbed the chakra from preta path to nuke village... It's still his chakra cuz he absorbed it

 

[ImAFish]

I agree, but what I'm trying to say is that maybe naruto could've defeated pain without goingo kyubi mode.

explain how naruto would of escaped the planetary devastation giant ball thing without kurama?

 

[Wolfus]

You right. Naruto only won cause of plot.

I think that even without plot he had a chance. SM is powerful

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

I agree, but what I'm trying to say is that maybe naruto could've defeated pain without goingo kyubi mode.

I personally don't agree with tht naruto lost the match once deva path recovered from nuking the village

He even made naruto lose hope completely (like obito did when the jubbi killed neji) if it wasn't for Hinata witch either way u look at it she would've got smoked naruto would've got enraged... So he would've gone through demon mode either way
Cuz Hinata wouldn't have let deva path take naruto
She would've jumped in fail miserably and then naruto proceeds to lose control..

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

explain how naruto would of escaped the planetary devastation giant ball thing without kurama?

Sage mode is indeed powerful

But deva path alone> sage naruto

 

[Wolfus]

explain how naruto would of escaped the planetary devastation giant ball thing without kurama?

Re read the post. I said without chibaku tensei