Dos Sasuke deserve a punishment for his crimes?

[Xlad]

He should pay for his crime:

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Of being one of the most badass antagonists and characters in Naruto for me.

 

[phylos]

Oh here we go again with throwing around the word logic without actually knowing what it means...

Doing right makes every previous wrong actions go away... very logical indeed.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

I'm divided on this. Killing a scumbag like Danzo doesn't speak out evil, however, killing cloud ninja does, so, I guess he does. Hopefully he'll get a pardon.

 

[Cosman]

Maybe he gets a solid time-out.

I don't care if he suffers, he just doesn't deserve his friends. Naruto and Sakura should be giving him the cold shoulder.

 

[Sasukesbeautifulheart19]

Oh here we go again with throwing around the word logic without actually knowing what it means...

Doing right makes every previous wrong actions go away... very logical indeed.

Yes well, what's your logic? That every bad guy gets what he "deserves"? Yeah OK. Great sense of unoriginal logic there. You people forget he's not ultimately the bad guy. And on the contrary, you seem to lack the ability to read more in depth of characters...But you know, who's going to do that for characters they don't like anyway.
Also, what did you expect? Judging if someone deserves punishment or not for their wrongdoings is what's calling for that type of "logic".

 

[phylos]

Yes well, what's your logic? That every bad guy gets what he "deserves"? Yeah OK. Great sense of unoriginal logic there. You people forget he's not ultimately the bad guy. And on the contrary, you seem to lack the ability to read more in depth of characters...But you know, who's going to do that for characters they don't like anyway.

Unoriginal logic? I think we don't agree in what "logic" actually means. A logical construction is either valid or not, not "unoriginal". I think the word you're looking for is "ethics" and, if being ethical is unoriginal then we all might as well be damned.

PS: I don't hate any character and Sasuke's storyline is the only reason I'm still reading this manga, it's the only one in which Kishimoto seems to still be putting any kind of effort.

 

[sanninuto]

well, he has to be punish even if he's dead

 

[LolChidori]

Well, for one, the samurai in the Kage summit come to mind.

Oh god. You're one of those people. Here comes my "gotta prove a point" tier.
Does something really have to come to mind for you to be able to indicate what innocent people Sasuke killed? Guess whose choices were it for those samurai to get involved anyway? Did Sasuke not say he would crush anyone who got in his way? He's not some rampaging serial killer going about to kill every soul in his path. If no one gets in the way, he has no business with that person. Or have you forgotten that while being swept away by his "madness"? In his wrong direction he sacrificed lives(Karin), yes, and that is where someone can pinpoint how he's "gone under". But we've been through this before, and I don't need to school you on mortality.
Believe it or not Sasuke is ulterior. And I highly doubt Kishi planned on anyone ever understanding him. But you're just going to have to swallow your pride when he lends the village a hand in the war.

 

[phylos]

Oh god. You're one of those people. Here comes my "gotta prove a point" tier.
Does something really have to come to mind for you to be able to indicate what innocent people Sasuke killed? Guess whose choices were it for those samurai to get involved anyway? Did Sasuke not say he would crush anyone who got in his way? He's not some rampaging serial killer going about to kill every soul in his path. If no one gets in the way, he has no business with that person. Or have you forgotten that while being swept away by his "madness"? In his wrong direction he sacrificed lives(Karin), yes, and that is where someone can pinpoint how he's "gone under". But we've been through this before, and I don't need to school you on mortality.
Believe it or not Sasuke is ulterior. And I highly doubt Kishi planned on anyone ever understanding him. But you're just going to have to swallow your pride when he lends the village a hand in the war.

Yeah I'm one of those people... one of those people who think that anyone who is willing to kill innocent people just doing their duty should be punished.
I suppose you're one of those people who think, say, policemen should be killed if they're doing their duty just because they're trying to stop some rebel who you happen to agree with (similar scenario, in the real world) despite said rebel not shying away from violence.
The "it comes to mind" was a figure of speech, those samurai were the same people I was thinking about when I mentioned Sasuke slaughtering innocents.
PS: by any kind of storytelling guidelines, the line you said that I highlighted is not a praise of Naruto as a series, it's something that actually makes it bad. I highly hope that wasn't Kishimoto's intention with Sasuke.

 

[Bijuu Bomber]

Does he deserve it? Yes.
Will he? Probably not.

 

[LolChidori]

Yeah I'm one of those people... one of those people who think that anyone who is willing to kill innocent people just doing their duty should be punished.
I suppose you're one of those people who think, say, policemen should be killed if they're doing their duty just because they're trying to stop some rebel who you happen to agree with (similar scenario, in the real world) despite said rebel not shying away from violence.
The "it comes to mind" was a figure of speech, those samurai were the exact people I was thinking about when I mentioned Sasuke slaughtering innocents.
PS: by any kind of storytelling guidelines, the line you said that I highlighted is not a praise of Naruto as a series, it's something that actually makes it bad. I highly hope that wasn't Kishimoto's intention with Sasuke.

It's the idiots before his time. Not him. Was it something Sasuke WANTED to do? No. I would probably do worse if my life had wrangled in the dark events that he had to endure. You wouldn't come out of the black clouds all shiny perfect and righteous if anything of that level had happened to you. People do not have the comprehension level to understand what they aren't enduring. You aren't right to pass righteous judgment because you're no perfect saint. I can say Sasuke's done wrong but I can't say death is what he deserves. Don't know where you got me agreeing with rebellious deeds from. He deserves liberation from the strangulating pain he has always felt. People retort to killing with killing and punishment. There is no room for forgiveness for people who have a cause in the darkness especially when there's a reason he came out as the person he is. They do not counter it with the opposite. And that is as "disgusting" as what he did. You can't honestly sit there and tell me that the people who oppose him are perfect.

And yeah no kidding. But he's the author and his mind only serves him for as much as we read along. I can bet you he doesn't tone himself to the depth his fans do when reading into the characters.
I can only blame him for the reason of his hatred. Not him for feeling the way he does.

 

[Honord Sage]

A life Sentence in Sakura's Arms.Thow some may say thats cruel and Un usual punishment.

 

[Sasukesbeautifulheart19]

Unoriginal logic? I think we don't agree in what "logic" actually means. A logical construction is either valid or not, not "unoriginal". I think the word you're looking for is "ethics" and, if being ethical is unoriginal then we all might as well be damned.

PS: I don't hate any character and Sasuke's storyline is the only reason I'm still reading this manga, it's the only one in which Kishimoto seems to still be putting any kind of effort.

I wasn't referring to the logic of what you said, I was talking about the cliche, the bad guy or the antagonist deserves to die for his "wrongdoings". If the word I wanted to use was ethical, I would've said that. Your code of ethics isn't the law of the universe, your not judge, jury, and executioner, your no God. You see the surface of a man, not what makes up the man. Vengeance would be my purpose for living too if my family that I loved were stripped away from me. When you've been in the darkness for so long, you have a different set of ethics. Anyone standing in your way of revenge is just in your way. I believe that when someone fits your standard of evil, like Danzo to Sasuke, and you know that your the only one who can purge this world of such evil, the weak are just ants that need to be exterminated in your retribution.

 

[saw2097]

Of course he should be punished, he killed the Samurai at the Five Kage Summit and that is only the tip of the iceberg.

Tsunade has already shown him leniency for many of his crimes and offered to let him come back.

However it was made clear by the Raikage, Gaara, Temari, and Kankuro that Sasuke had crossed the line of no return.

Even Sasuke himself said there was no going back when he and Naruto spoke after Danzo's death.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

To the village leaders, yes. But think about it. Did he really do anything that bad besides join the Akatsuki, raid the Kage summit, try and kill his sensei and teammates, assualt Cloud's Jin, fall into darkness, assist Orochimaru, threaten to destroy the Leaf, kill Danzo, and go rouge?

This^^^This

 

[phylos]

It's the idiots before his time. Not him. Was it something Sasuke WANTED to do? No. I would probably do worse if my life had wrangled in the dark events that he had to endure. You wouldn't come out of the black clouds all shiny perfect and righteous if anything of that level had happened to you. People do not have the comprehension level to understand what they aren't enduring. You aren't right to pass righteous judgment because you're no perfect saint. I can say Sasuke's done wrong but I can't say death is what he deserves. Don't know where you got me agreeing with rebellious deeds from. He deserves liberation from the strangulating pain he has always felt. People retort to killing with killing and punishment. There is no room for forgiveness for people who have a cause in the darkness especially when there's a reason he came out as the person he is. They do not counter it with the opposite. And that is as "disgusting" as what he did. You can't honestly sit there and tell me that the people who oppose him are perfect.

Maybe he didn't want to do it; he still did it, that's the finality of the law and ethics. And, as such, he deserves punishment.
And no, I by myself cannot pass perfect judgment, that's what twisted minds in the real world akin to Sasuke's do, take justice by their own hands. I happen to believe in the judgment of peers, in community, nobody is entitled over anyone else.
And, even if the ones he killed weren't saints, they were still innocent of murder, he's immediately lower in the righteous scale.

I wasn't referring to the logic of what you said, I was talking about the cliche, the bad guy or the antagonist deserves to die for his "wrongdoings". If the word I wanted to use was ethical, I would've said that. Your code of ethics isn't the law of the universe, your not judge, jury, and executioner, your no God. You see the surface of a man, not what makes up the man. Vengeance would be my purpose for living too if my family that I loved were stripped away from me. When you've been in the darkness for so long, you have a different set of ethics. Anyone standing in your way of revenge is just in your way. I believe that when someone fits your standard of evil, like Danzo to Sasuke, and you know that your the only one who can purge this world of such evil, the weak are just ants that need to be exterminated in your retribution.

Nah, my code isn't the law of the universe. But what is law is that no person gets to kill another for no reason whatsoever. I don't care about what his intentions were, actions is all that matter.

To the both of you:
1) I never said that Sasuke deserved death, just punishment.
2) On the lines I highlighted in your posts: you talk big for people spending their time sitting in front of a computer making discussion about a manga series whose main target audience is kids. I highly doubt you would do the same or even close to it.

 

[VolatileSoul]

Deserves to be punished? He hasn't done absolutely one thing wrong or evil. Not by any standard. Killing Samurai? Ninja kill all the time. If you think so, tell me what evil is. So do Samurai. Why should he be punished for doing what the entire Narutoverse trains children to do? Why the double standard for him? If anything he should be applauded. The only people he ever killed were Samurai who he never intended to fight and even warned to stay away, who were intending to kill him. He had high standing morals for a long time that will soon be restored, if not already. Attacking Killer Bee? Perfect retribution for Kumo kidnapping Kushina. Righteous justice for Konoha! Too bad it failed. Killing Danzo? He should be as celebrated as the seals who killed Bin Laden. Wanting to destroy Konoha? Naw, he wants to protect it, and so far a lot of his actions, (though inadvertently) have.

And please remember that this is a manga about ninja, no matter how distorted, and that our protagonists are a ninja, trained to kill. And know that killing is a part of the job description. How Sasuke can be wrong by these standards is beyond me.

 

[VolatileSoul]

Maybe he didn't want to do it; he still did it, that's the finality of the law and ethics. And, as such, he deserves punishment.
And no, I by myself cannot pass perfect judgment, that's what twisted minds in the real world akin to Sasuke's do, take justice by their own hands. I happen to believe in the judgment of peers, in community, nobody is entitled over anyone else.
And, even if the ones he killed weren't saints, they were still innocent of murder, he's immediately lower in the righteous scale.


Nah, my code isn't the law of the universe. But what is law is that no person gets to kill another for no reason whatsoever. I don't care about what his intentions were, actions is all that matter.

To the both of you:
1) I never said that Sasuke deserved death, just punishment.
2) On the lines I highlighted in your posts: you talk big for people spending their time sitting in front of a computer making discussion about a manga series whose main target audience is kids. I highly doubt you would do the same or even close to it.

How very righteous of you. But the more righteous than thou thing has to stop. You say you can't pass perfect judgement but hypocritically pass judgement against Sasuke. As for peers and community, you essentially just said the majority is always right, and that their word is justice. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't tell that to a black person in 1800's America. Personally, I don't want to hear a human being even utter the word justice, as that implies they are righteous and only God is entitled to that. Human beings have committed so many atrocities and allowed so much wickedness that the can only speak that word hypocritically. He was twisted, but only for a short time and only because the precious community made him so. And lastly, this is a manga about Ninja. Do you know what ninja are? Assassins for hire and thieves. This does not make what they do right, but in a world were children are trained to be such, how can he deserve punishment for it?

 

[paratise]

-He betrayed the village by joining the side of the man who caused the death of many Konoha/Suna citizens and two kages.
-He attempted to kill Konoha's citizens several times.
-Attempted to kidnap Killer Bee; which would cause his death if he succeed, killed cloud ninja on the way.
-Attacked 5 Kages' meeting
-Killed samurais
-Killed the guy who stands as hokage; like it or not; he was the kage of a village.
-Offically declared he would crush the leaf; if there is such threat; it should be eliminated before it is too late.

Oh by the way; he could not actually kidnapped Killer Bee; but thanks to the 8 Tails' tentacle; Juubi get revieved; which caused many other deaths and made Tobi get his plans even closer...

He might "turn good"; but it is not taking back everything he ever done; he should not be on the same level of not-guiltyness with others who actually deserve to be called as...

 

[Fanta]

To the village leaders, yes. But think about it. Did he really do anything that bad besides join the Akatsuki, raid the Kage summit, try and kill his sensei and teammates, assualt Cloud's Jin, fall into darkness, assist Orochimaru, threaten to destroy the Leaf, kill Danzo, and go rouge?

I see what you did there XD