[DISCUSSION] Misconception about Obito and Kakashi

[S A G E]

People are saying that Obito will be talk no jutsu'd or killed by Kakshi but that is not the case.

If we look at their abilities:

Obito: Genjutsu, 5 elemental release attacks, Rinnegan, Senju dna for regeration and Mokuton attacks, and very large chakra reserve. Obito also has insanely fast reaction because he has to kamui specific body parts just to avoid attacks.

Kakashi: Susceptible to genjutsu, 3 elemental attacks, and average chakra reserve. Kakashi might be slightly smarter than Obito, but against a more powerful opponent, that is not enough to defeat him down.

Kakashi just can't defeat Obito because he has became so powerful after gaining the Rinnegan, and he is very important to the plot.

Obito can't die yet because someone has to be a Jinchiiruki of the Juubi, either Madara if Obito uses his Rinne tensei to revive him, or Obito himself. He was also the person responsible for Naruto's life right now because he killed his parents and Naruto has to kill or redeem him. Kakashi is the one who will die because he is not as important to the series anymore because he has taught everything he has to Naruto.

The fact that Obito hasn't shown Rinnegan techs and variety of elemental attacks doesn't mean he can't use them, its just that he wasn't driven to the point where he has to go all Haxx on everybody. He also doesn't wan't to kill everyone, he just want's them to be under a Genjutsu, so that everyone can live in a world where it satisfy them.

Kakashi is Sannin level, but Obito is on the same leagues as Madara, so people shouldn't underestimate him, no matter how silly he has been acting this whole time and how his reasoning to be evil is very shallow.

What makes him a great villain is the fact that he is messed up beyond repair, he has lost the ability to think rationally, and is very driven to achieve his goal. This is the reason why Obito will not be talk no jutsu'd by Kakashi.

Are you still thinking that in Kakashi will defeat Obito?

I think only Naruto is able to and must defeat him because he parallels what Naruto could have became had he gave up to the challenges of the world and turn to the darkside.

Please read before discussing and avoid trolling..........................

 

[El Batman]

Well I think Obito will die, and the 10 tails will be left with no one to control it. Then Naruto and somehow the so6p will come into play and deal with the 10 tails. Oh and Madara might end up killing Obito.

 

[S A G E]

Well I think Obito will die, and the 10 tails will be left with no one to control it. Then Naruto and somehow the so6p will come into play and deal with the 10 tails. Oh and Madara might end up killing Obito.

But it won't be Kakashi. On many threads and Naruto reviewers, they are saying that Kakashi will defeat him this time since he can't use his Kamui abilities? WTF he can use other attacks such as rinnegan, mokuton, and elemental attacks on Kakashi. If anything, it is Kakashi that is in a bad position right now because he has to try solo obito without help from naruto, guy, or Bee.

 

[Rōshi1]

People are saying that Obito will be talk no jutsu'd or killed by Kakshi but that is not the case.

If we look at their abilities:

Obito: Genjutsu, 5 elemental release attacks, Rinnegan, Senju dna for regeration and Mokuton attacks, and very large chakra reserve. Obito also has insanely fast reaction because he has to kamui specific body parts just to avoid attacks.

Kakashi: Susceptible to genjutsu, 3 elemental attacks, and average chakra reserve. Kakashi might be slightly smarter than Obito, but against a more powerful opponent, that is not enough to defeat him down.

Kakashi just can't defeat Obito because he has became so powerful after gaining the Rinnegan, and he is very important to the plot.

Obito can't die yet because someone has to be a Jinchiiruki of the Juubi, either Madara if Obito uses his Rinne tensei to revive him, or Obito himself. He was also the person responsible for Naruto's life right now because he killed his parents and Naruto has to kill or redeem him. Kakashi is the one who will die because he is not as important to the series anymore because he has taught everything he has to Naruto.

The fact that Obito hasn't shown Rinnegan techs and variety of elemental attacks doesn't mean he can't use them, its just that he wasn't driven to the point where he has to go all Haxx on everybody. He also doesn't wan't to kill everyone, he just want's them to be under a Genjutsu, so that everyone can live in a world where it satisfy them.

Kakashi is Sannin level, but Obito is on the same leagues as Madara, so people shouldn't underestimate him, no matter how silly he has been acting this whole time and how his reasoning to be evil is very shallow.

What makes him a great villain is the fact that he is messed up beyond repair, he has lost the ability to think rationally, and is very driven to achieve his goal. This is the reason why Obito will not be talk no jutsu'd by Kakashi.

Are you still thinking that in Kakashi will defeat Obito?

I think only Naruto is able to and must defeat him because he parallels what Naruto could have became had he gave up to the challenges of the world and turn to the darkside.

Please read before discussing and avoid trolling..........................

1. Kakashi has below average chakra reserves.
2. Obito didn't kill his parents. Minato gave his life using a fuuinjutsu tech and Kushina was left near death when Kurama stabbed both of them with its nail. They both transferred their remaining chakra inside Naruto.
3. Kakashi is crucial to the series as much as Obito is. Reason is Kishi is Kakashi. He is the father figure and Naruto mirrors his real life son and what he wishes him to be. Something like that.

 

[S A G E]

1. Kakashi has below average chakra reserves.
2. Obito didn't kill his parents. Minato gave his life using a fuuinjutsu tech and Kushina was left near death when Kurama stabbed both of them with its nail. They both transferred their remaining chakra inside Naruto.
3. Kakashi is crucial to the series as much as Obito is. Reason is Kishi is Kakashi. He is the father figure and Naruto mirrors his real life son and what he wishes him to be. Something like that.

1. I agree, which is why he can't defeat Obito.
2. Obito caused and is responsible everything that lead to the death of his parents, without him in the picture, they wouldn't have died.
3. Jiraiya was more important to the naruto (no offense on Kakashi) yet he had to die for naruto to grow. Same here, when Kakashi (his sensei/role model) dies, he will become mentally stronger.

 

[Animaeon]

But who says someone has to die?

I understand that it's plausible that Kakashi and/or Obito will be defeated, but perhaps Kishi's main purpose of separating them is to move the plot along (explanation on Rin's death and Obito's motivation).

 

[Troyg39]

Where is the misconception? You can't have a misconception about something that hasn't happened yet.

1. Kakashi could've killed him the moment they warped to the other dimension. Plus Obito said he had other chances already to kill him. So clearly an opportunity of killing Obito is possible

2. It's your opinion that Obito can't die yet, and that he has to be the one to be the jinkuryki. Madara managed to troll edo tensei and be released, who's to say kishi wont give him another troll trick and find a way to revive himself. The plan was after all for HIM to be the jinkuryki not Obito, and it's my opinion that Madara isn't giving his plans up so easily

3. Again it's your opinion that Kakashi isn't important to the manga anymore. He still hasn't told his side of the Rin story, plus there's a good chance that he, Obito, and Minato will end up seeing each other again. Kakashi still can play an important role in the story, and it's a possibility that he will live through this little fight too

4. Once again, it's a good chance that he may never use Rinnegan techs again. Lots of ninja don't use OP techs at their disposal because of plot no jutsu. Madara has Susanoo, so we know he has tsukuyomi and Amaterasu. But he hardly uses those in battle. So I don't see the point there

5. As far as Obito getting tnj'd. Every main villain just about has been tnj'd. Even Sasuke, who was supposed to be the ultimate avenger, in the end got tnj'd and changed his mind. Obito could have the same happen to him. We still have Madara and Oro as two possible final villain candidates and Oro is someone who just always seems to pop back up so who knows who will end up being the last villain standing

I personally don't want Kakashi nor Obito to die yet nor do I want Obito to change just yet because I want Minato to see Kakashi and evil Obito at the same time. But anything can happen at this point as theirs evidence to point to multiple outcomes. No real misconceptions in my opinion

 

[Takos]

I've said it many times already, Obito represents Kakashi's burden he he had to carry for all his life. He represents Kakashi's past and guilt that have been haunting him.
If Kakashi gets defeated by Obito, he will remain thinking that he was a trash, indeed. And this just doesn't suit shonen style, in which main characters are supposed to overcome their weaknesses.

Kakashi defeating Obito would mean both development in Kakashi's strength AND development of the character itself, which Kakashi needs.

 

[wael reda]

kakashi is the main character here so he can't die before obito
it is drama ,it is stupid to think about that naruto will defet obito and kakashi will die
kishi made kakashi came back from the death to that purpose ,not to die again before obito


kakashi isn't Susceptible to aginjutsu
do you think because kakashi with sharingan only(not ms) was affected by tuskimiu itachi so he is easliy be affected by ginjutus and he has now ms
no prove from the manga ,that tuskimiu can affect on ms kakakshi
i can't give obito power he doesn't has
obito has rinngan but he can only use ninjindo(he said he will use it against yamatu)rinni tensi so i can't say obito has 5 chakra releases,chibaku tensi....etc


geting ride the kamui of kakashi is bulloshit becasue kakashi easily can go out from the other dimension so obito will follow him to the real dimension , so kakashi can use kamui to warp clone which will go to the other dimension then he attack obito in the both of the dimensions in the same time as they did before


you say naruto is the only one who can beat obito although he has nearly no chance against obito's intangible without kakashi
the only one who has real chance against obito's intangible is the one who you said he has no chance(kakashi)
because kakashi is the only one in naruto universe who can go to obito's dimension and attack him in both dimensions in the same time by making clone in the other dimension


kakashi without kamui in the same level with obito who without kamui too
the only differance between kakashi and obito is the chakra if kakakshi get sinju dna he will be in the same level with obito
so kakshi can end obito quickly so the chakrqa won't be factor
and kakashi use kamui well now

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