Kamui

[BenjerminGaye]

Today it has come to my attention that kamui isn't really an attack, but just a way to move things to his pocket dimension.
LEFT EYE

In it's first use Kakashi had attempted to move deidara to the pocket dimension but since he couldn't control the barrier/location of what he wanted to warp he ended up only moving deidara's arm to the pocket dimension.

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Now notice deidara doesn't make any noise indicating that he is in pain until the technique has ended and kakashi covers his eye.
Now this may seem as an attack but had he had complete control of it and warped deidara completely he would have been in the pocket dimension perfectly fine. Kakashi admits his lack of control over the size of the barrier and its location but had he got it right deidara would have never gotten hurt.

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This also brings me to a second realization: Kamui warps anything and everything inside the barrier without any regard to things outside the barrier. Meaning only things inside the barrier will warped even if it's physically connected to something outside the barrier.Notable examples of this would be deadara's arm and the 8tails tail.

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RIGHT EYE

When obito uses his eye to warp Things/people there is a physical attraction/repulsion with the things going into and out of his eye:

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He doesn't make a barrier but has to make physical contact with whatever he wants to suck and the amount of time it takes is directly related to the mass of the object/thing. Meaning he has to be in one dimension fully to send things from one dimension to the other. If he is in the pocket dimension he has to be in the pocket dimension fully to send things back to the regular dimension and vice/versa. Kakashi already explained how his (for lack of a better word) intangibility works so ill just post the scans:

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In conclusion the technique itself is just transport. Not an attack.

 

[Edo Odin]

It's an attack if Kakashi decides to warp your head, but not the rest of your body. Call it transportation all you want, but you'll still end up decapitated.

 

[PredictionGuru]

Totsuka blade is just a fancy toothpick as long as you use it as a toothpick, too.

 

[questin1]

Thouht people knew...

 

[Vegeto30294]

Totsuka blade is just a fancy toothpick as long as you use it as a toothpick, too.

And in reverse, a toothpick can be used as a potent senbon if used that way

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[PredictionGuru]

And in reverse, a toothpick can be used as a potent senbon if used that way

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Not every ninja has the innate skills of the legendary solo king Genma.

 

[Draphsin]

Kakashi has the attack kamui, he can transport objects by tearing it off of whatever its connected to

Obito transports things as a whole, therefore his kamui is not an attack

 

[BenjerminGaye]

It's an attack if Kakashi decides to warp your head, but not the rest of your body. Call it transportation all you want, but you'll still end up decapitated.

If he decides to make the barrier around your head then your head gets warped. Its not an attack because it fulfilled its purpose of transporting your head. The head will exist in the other dimension physically fine. The body wasn't apart of the justu and therefore shouldn't be related to it.

 

[Draphsin]

If he decides to make the barrier around your head then your head gets warped. Its not an attack because it fulfilled its purpose of transporting your head. The head will exist in the other dimension physically fine. The body wasn't apart of the justu and therefore shouldn't be related to it.

The fact that it separated the head from the body is what renders it an attack

 

[Edo Odin]

If he decides to make the barrier around your head then your head gets warped. Its not an attack because it fulfilled its purpose of transporting your head. The head will exist in the other dimension physically fine. The body wasn't apart of the justu and therefore shouldn't be related to it.

In that state, you're rendered totally useless. Hence, why it's an attack.

Hell, your status says it all..

 

[BenjerminGaye]

The fact that it separated the head from the body is what renders it an attack

Not really. When he warped killer be was he attacking killer bee?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

In that state, you're rendered totally useless. Hence, why it's an attack.

Hell, your status says it all..

What does my status have to do with this?
Anyways I've proven that it isn't an attack.

 

[Draphsin]

Not really. When he warped killer be was he attacking killer bee?

That doesnt change the fact that his kamui is an attack. The way he uses his attack is of no relevance, & he wasnt attacking anybody...He was using his attack.

Sasuke uses ama for defense, does that not make it an attack?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

That doesnt change the fact that his kamui is an attack. The way he uses his attack is of no relevance, & he wasnt attacking anybody...He was using his attack.

Sasuke uses ama for defense, does that not make it an attack?

Sasuke uses enton for defense but that's a different matter.
When kakashi or obito warp things the things they warp stay in the same exact condition they were in before they got warped, even if its part of a bigger object.

 

[Draphsin]

Sasuke uses enton for defense but that's a different matter.
When kakashi or obito warp things the things they warp stay in the same exact condition they were in before they got warped, even if its part of a bigger object.

When kakashi warps something, its not the same as it was before it got warped because its severed.

Obito sucks in full objects through his eye, kakashi creates a tear in space & time with his eye (unless warping himself), that tear can harm the enemy & thus its an attack

 

[BenjerminGaye]

When kakashi warps something, its not the same as it was before it got warped because its severed.

Obito sucks in full objects through his eye, kakashi creates a tear in space & time with his eye (unless warping himself), that tear can harm the enemy & thus its an attack

When kakashi warps something everything inside the barrier gets warped. The technique has nothing to do with the space outside the barrier.

 

[Draphsin]

When kakashi warps something everything inside the barrier gets warped. The technique has nothing to do with the space outside the barrier.

@Bold: Exactly, kamui doesnt discriminate to whats in the barrier or not, so if that barrier was aimed at a head, it would tear off the head, killing the enemy.

If obito aimed at the head, he would warp the whole body, while keeping everything intact

Do teleportation techniques count as attacks? No, the reason is because it gets person from point A to point B, Its not a teleportation technique if it only sends body parts from point A to point B...

I think you need to read the definition of the term "attack"

Attack:

Verb
Take aggressive action against (a place or enemy forces) with weapons or armed force: "in December, the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor".


Noun
An aggressive and violent action against a person or place: "he was killed in an attack on a checkpoint".

Synonyms
verb. assault - assail
noun. assault - onset - aggression - fit - offensive - charge


Tell me, does obito's kamui cause harm to a person? is it an "aggressive" attack? does minato's FTG cause harm? is it an aggressive jutsu?

Theyre both passive

 

[BenjerminGaye]

@Bold: Exactly, kamui doesnt discriminate to whats in the barrier or not, so if that barrier was aimed at a head, it would tear off the head, killing the enemy.

Exactly the technique doesn't discriminate just transports.

If obito aimed at the head, he would warp the whole body, while keeping everything intact

Obito doesn't aim nor creates a barrier around what he is teleporting.

Do teleportation techniques count as attacks? No, the reason is because it gets person from point A to point B, Its not a teleportation technique if it only sends body parts from point A to point B...

Mabui's transfer technique begs to differ.

I think you need to read the definition of the term "attack"

Attack:

Verb
Take aggressive action against (a place or enemy forces) with weapons or armed force: "in December, the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor".


Noun
An aggressive and violent action against a person or place: "he was killed in an attack on a checkpoint".

Synonyms
verb. assault - assail
noun. assault - onset - aggression - fit - offensive - charge

thanks for the lesson. It still doesn't change the mechanics of the technique. What's in the barrier gets warped whats out gets left behind. Whatever gets warped goes to the new location in the same condition it was in b4 it got warped.

Tell me, does obito's kamui cause harm to a person? is it an "aggressive" attack? does minato's FTG cause harm? is it an aggressive attack?

Theyre both passive

Obito's kamui doesn't cause harm but if the person stays there and dies from starvation does it make it an attack? No right?
That would be a byproduct. Just like said enemy remaining headless because his head got sent to a different dimension. Byproduct.

Minato's ftg is also teleportation but if he chooses to make the barrier smaller than what he is warping what gets left gets left.

 

[Draphsin]

Exactly the technique doesn't discriminate just transports.

Obito doesn't aim nor creates a barrier around what he is teleporting.

Are you a troll? obito's kamui doesnt harm anybody, neither does FTG, saying so is moronic.

Mabui's transfer technique begs to differ.

Maubi's tranfer technique is a goddamn attack if an enemy gets sent through it. It kills them, how are you not seeing this common logic?

thanks for the lesson. It still doesn't change the mechanics of the technique. What's in the barrier gets warped whats out gets left behind. Whatever gets warped goes to the new location in the same condition it was in b4 it got warped.

Wrong again, not surprising...

Whatever gets warped does not reach its destination in the same condition, its missing the rest of whatever its attached to...

Obito's kamui doesn't cause harm but if the person stays there and dies from starvation does it make it an attack? No right?

Does obito's kamui hurt anybody directly? No

That would be a byproduct. Just like said enemy remaining headless because his head got sent to a different dimension. Byproduct.

What is wrong with your logic??

Kamui kills the enemy for kakashi, starvation kills the enemy with obito's kamui...According to your logic, kakashi's enemy died of being headless.....Wtf......?

Minato's ftg is also teleportation but if he chooses to make the barrier smaller than what he is warping what gets left gets left.

Speculation, you have no proof that minato can warp body parts off of his enemy...

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Are you a troll? obito's kamui doesnt harm anybody, neither does FTG, saying so is moronic.

Maubi's tranfer technique is a goddamn attack if an enemy gets sent through it. It kills them, how are you not seeing this common logic?

Just like obito's technique kills if the enemy doesn't eat. Starvation/decapitation/getting ripped apart/ byproducts of the techniques.

Wrong again, not surprising...

Whatever gets warped does not reach its destination in the same condition, its missing the rest of whatever its attached to...

All you're doing is setting up scenario's in which is causes pain after the technique has ended to justify it as an attack. Thinking like that can make any and everything an attack in capable hands. I already showed you with deidara. When he is warping deiadara's arm it is existing in the pocket dimension perfectly fine. When he stops the technique the barrier closes stopping the link between the two dimensions.

Does obito's kamui hurt anybody directly? No

has obito every partially warped something?

Kamui kills the enemy for kakashi, starvation kills the enemy with obito's kamui...According to your logic, kakashi's enemy died of being headless.....Wtf......?

now your understanding. your giving the technique intent like it's not up to the user. That's bad logic.

Speculation, you have no proof that minato can warp body parts off of his enemy...

He needed to mold enough chakra to send him the fox and the tbb to a different location. Chances are if he didn't mold enough something was getting left behind.