Yata Mirror is unbreakable.

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It only ripped his hand off because the transportation was not complete. This is proven when kakashi warps naruto's clone and it made it to the other side perfectly fine

If Kakashi wanted to now he could still only warp such a small part of someone it would be ripped off just like before. I thi nk Obito can't to that since that's what Kakashi's eye version does, not Obito's.

 

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If Kakashi wanted to now he could still only warp such a small part of someone it would be ripped off just like before. I thi nk Obito can't to that since that's what Kakashi's eye version does, not Obito's.

Edit: Since we know that so far both eye's on Uchiha we have seen a lot have specializations in different parts of their techniques but on different eyes.

Also opps, double post.

 

[HadouKage]

Noddy pretty much ended the thread bro

 

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Noddy pretty much ended the thread bro

Not at all, he or she failed completely in doing that. What part of the Manga saying that it blocks all attacks don't you understand?

Edit: Show me one point he or she made which changes the Manga from saying it blocks all attacks to something like it only blocks weak attacks.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

If Kakashi wanted to now he could still only warp such a small part of someone it would be ripped off just like before. I thi nk Obito can't to that since that's what Kakashi's eye version does, not Obito's.

Why would he warp part if he can warp the entire thing? Even if he warped part of it, said object ripping isn't because of the technique its because the part of the object was outside of the dimensions technique.

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[pateuvasiliu]

Kamui goes through it.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Double post idc here is an even better example:

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Kakashi says he cant control the size and location of the warp point.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Kamui goes through it.

Explain yourself

 

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Why would he warp part if he can warp the entire thing? Even if he warped part of it, said object ripping isn't because of the technique its because the part of the object was outside of the dimensions technique.

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I never said there was a point in that but he could if he wanted to (if he wanted to kill someone he would rip instead of warp fully). Kamui is a mixed technique. It can attack, defend and be used to travel. Only Obito can use i for travel, Obito and Kakashi warping things other than themselves would be an attack and only Obito can use it to defend by going Intangible. If Obito tried warping Yata Mirror it would be seen as an attack, and so it would counter it in ny way possible. We may not know what counters everything but the Yata Mirror will change to what does counter something. Kishimoto has already said through Itachi that every Jutsu has a weakness. Kamui is a Jutsu and it has a weakness, Yata Mirror will find that weakness to defend agisnt it. It's Manga fact... you can't go against it.

 

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Double post idc here is an even better example:

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Kakashi says he cant control the size and location of the warp point.

I'm pretty sure that's because that's the first time of using it, or atleast in battle. Do you really think at this point in time he can't control it's size? Either way it's still an attack when used like that and so it will get blocked.

 

[HadouKage]

Not at all, he or she failed completely in doing that. What part of the Manga saying that it blocks all attacks don't you understand?

Edit: Show me one point he or she made which changes the Manga from saying it blocks all attacks to something like it only blocks weak attacks.

Perfect Susano'o smashes it to pieces with ease. After all, it can 'destroy all things in the universe'.

Kabutowari cracks the mirror. After all, it is a sword which can 'brake any defence'.

Don't tell 'it can't' when canon says 'it can'.

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So you'll accept the obvious hyperbole regarding the Yata Mirror but you won't do the same when it comes to Madara's Susano'o?

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What a surprise.

All of it. It's all hyperoble. I can't believe you're so blatently regarding that which must be obvious to even the youngest readers of this manga. The Yata Mirror can't block everything if Perfect Susano'o can destroy all creation and Kabutowari can break any defence. It's a paradox. The Sandaime Raikage couldn't have both an ultimate offence and an ultimate defence, and we saw what happened when the two came into contact. The shield lost. What, do you still think Amaterasu is as hot as the sun? You're actually saying;

Everything is a lie except what has been said about Itachi. Derp.

I mean, you people must be trolling because this isn't logic. This is just senseless ranting. lolwut? Where are you getting this 'Kishimoto was speaking through Zetsu' nonsense from? Your psyche? I'm baffled. I'm actually baffled as to how you can think these claims are backed by canon. I may as well claim Kishimoto was airing his opinion through Madara. Poor.

I said you had an Itachi avatar, an Itachi-based signature and two titles relating to Itachi. I never directly called you a fanboy, but god do your arguments reek of bias.

I highlighted the bold points for you

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I never said there was a point in that but he could if he wanted to (if he wanted to kill someone he would rip instead of warp fully). Kamui is a mixed technique. It can attack, defend and be used to travel. Only Obito can use i for travel, Obito and Kakashi warping things other than themselves would be an attack and only Obito can use it to defend by going Intangible. If Obito tried warping Yata Mirror it would be seen as an attack, and so it would counter it in ny way possible. We may not know what counters everything but the Yata Mirror will change to what does counter something. Kishimoto has already said through Itachi that every Jutsu has a weakness. Kamui is a Jutsu and it has a weakness, Yata Mirror will find that weakness to defend agisnt it. It's Manga fact... you can't go against it.

Your misunderstanding.
In all forms of use it isn't an attack. Just a means of transportation. Kamui's weakness is the limit on the size of the warp and the location. Kakashi admits this in its first use. If kakashi makes the warp point bigger than the shield the shield gets warped.

 

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I highlighted the bold points for you

And instead of only reading her points why don'tyou read my counter to them? I will say some here:

First, Yata Mirror changes it's attribute to block any attack, that's the reason it can block any attack. Susano'o is a Jutsu, and every Jutsu has a weakness, and by that we know Susano'o does as well, what ever that is, Yata Mirror would use it's attribute to block the PS Slash.

Does PS Slash change it's attributes to break anything created/in the universe? Does "Kabutowari" change it's attributes to break through any defence? No they don't. That's the main reaosn Yata Mirror comes out on top of them.

Are you really saying that Madara wasn't just trying to hype himself up and look good infront of the 5 kage? There's a big difference when a character is getting spoken through by Kishimoto and when they arn't. Madara was only saying that to look good in front of the 5 kage and to make them lose hope. He also said Hashirama is the only one who could defeat/stop him. Is that true? No it's not. He's just trying to make the 5 kage lose hope, that's obvious. What I mean by Kishimoto speaking through a character is that when he makes a character say something like Madara did, it's said for reasons to make peopel lose hope or to hype themselves up, and if it was said like through Zetsu it was said for fact, Zetsu was clearly explaining what the Mirror is and what it can do. Let's put an example in, if Madara's Susano'o can really break all creation then can he break the moon? It was said that the Sage created the moon right?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I'm pretty sure that's because that's the first time of using it, or atleast in battle. Do you really think at this point in time he can't control it's size? Either way it's still an attack when used like that and so it will get blocked.

That's exactly my point. The only reason deidara got hut is because he couldn't control the size of the warp point. The warp point was only big enough to transport his arm. Had he controlled it he would have been sent to the other dimension like naruto perfectly fine. We even see this when kakashi gained greater control of the size/location yet he couldn't make it big enough to warp the 8 tails completely and thus a tail got left behind.

 

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Your misunderstanding.
In all forms of use it isn't an attack. Just a means of transportation. Kamui's weakness is the limit on the size of the warp and the location. Kakashi admits this in its first use. If kakashi makes the warp point bigger than the shield the shield gets warped.

So Intangibility is transportation then? No it's not. Kamui is a multi-use technique which can be used as an attack, defence or a way to travel. The different uses I've already said above.

Edit: I actually have to go for about 3 hours, I'll reply when I get back.

 

[HadouKage]

And instead of only reading her points why don'tyou read my counter to them? I will say some here:

First, Yata Mirror changes it's attribute to block any attack, that's the reason it can block any attack. Susano'o is a Jutsu, and every Jutsu has a weakness, and by that we know Susano'o does as well, what ever that is, Yata Mirror would use it's attribute to block the PS Slash.

Does PS Slash change it's attributes to break anything created/in the universe? Does "Kabutowari" change it's attributes to break through any defence? No they don't. That's the main reaosn Yata Mirror comes out on top of them.

Are you really saying that Madara wasn't just trying to hype himself up and look good infront of the 5 kage? There's a big difference when a character is getting spoken through by Kishimoto and when they arn't. Madara was only saying that to look good in front of the 5 kage and to make them lose hope. He also said Hashirama is the only one who could defeat/stop him. Is that true? No it's not. He's just trying to make the 5 kage lose hope, that's obvious. What I mean by Kishimoto speaking through a character is that when he makes a character say something like Madara did, it's said for reasons to make peopel lose hope or to hype themselves up, and if it was said like through Zetsu it was said for fact, Zetsu was clearly explaining what the Mirror is and what it can do. Let's put an example in, if Madara's Susano'o can really break all creation then can he break the moon? It was said that the Sage created the moon right?

@Bold
Really don't understand what you're trying to say, as all the characters in Naruto are spoken through Kishimoto, as he did write the manga O_0

The fact is, I don't feel like repeating what has already been said. It is clearly an exaggeration, just because Madara, didn't explain the mechanics of the PS slash or there isn't any databook entry, makes it less credible to the hype Yata Mirror has? The fact is the data book is unreliable and outdated so I don't even know why you are relying on that as a source. The fact is, it was stated that the PS slash destroys all creation. Which means the hype contradicts one another

 

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Since when did people start thinking Manga facts are wrong? Kishimoto has already stated through Zetsu that the Yata Mirror can block all attacks.

Yet kishi also stated via the databooks that Kumai cannot be blocked or defended against.

I've already said this before, Kamui counters Kamui. Kamui does have attributes and so whatever that attribute is, the Yata Mirror will either use that or if there's another/better way in stopping Kamui then it will use that type of attribute instead.

Edit: The Manga and data book say's that Yata Mirror blocks all attacks. Only the data book say's Kamui is defenseless.

Kumai counters kumai.... they're both the same jutsu, All jutsu's cancel themselves out. You're just clutching at straws, Same as your pathetic argument "Only the data book say's Kamui is defenseless". both the databook and the manga, Both are being said by kishi.

kakashi's Kumai is not a physical attack, it doesn't Hit nor does it travel, Kakashi puts barriers around the object then the space in-between the barriers starts to warp.
Placing the barriers around Yata (meaning they're not touching it), Meaning no contact is made, Meaning it cannot change it's attributes to Kumai's because there is no contact what so ever with the shield.

 

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So Intangibility is transportation then? No it's not. Kamui is a multi-use technique which can be used as an attack, defence or a way to travel. The different uses I've already said above.

Edit: I actually have to go for about 3 hours, I'll reply when I get back.

Manga disagrees with you. He isn't intangible he just transports his body parts to the other dimension proving my point even more:

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When kakashi warps things all he is really doing is changing its location
When obito warps things all he is really doing is changing its location
When obito warps himself all he is really doing is chaging his location
when he goes "intangible(for lack of a better word)" all he is doing is changing his specific body parts location.

When kakashi warps itachi's yata mirror all he is doing is changing its location.

Not to sound pompous but THREAD/

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Explain yourself

Well, Kamui can create a warp exactly where Itachi is. Inside the Susanoo.

Susanoo is chakra and it does not create an anti S/T barrier. Itachi gets warped even while inside Susanoo since the Susanoo can't parry it.

 

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Yet kishi also stated via the databooks that Kumai cannot be blocked or defended against.






Kumai counters kumai.... they're both the same jutsu, All jutsu's cancel themselves out. You're just clutching at straws, Same as your pathetic argument "Only the data book say's Kamui is defenseless". both the databook and the manga, Both are being said by kishi.

kakashi's Kumai is not a physical attack, it doesn't Hit nor does it travel, Kakashi puts barriers around the object then the space in-between the barriers starts to warp.
Placing the barriers around Yata (meaning they're not touching it), Meaning no contact is made, Meaning it cannot change it's attributes to Kumai's because there is no contact what so ever with the shield.

Manga disagrees with you. He isn't intangible he just transports his body parts to the other dimension proving my point even more:

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When kakashi warps things all he is really doing is changing its location
When obito warps things all he is really doing is changing its location
When obito warps himself all he is really doing is chaging his location
when he goes "intangible(for lack of a better word)" all he is doing is changing his specific body parts location.

When kakashi warps itachi's yata mirror all he is doing is changing its location.

Not to sound pompous but THREAD/

Well, Kamui can create a warp exactly where Itachi is. Inside the Susanoo.

Susanoo is chakra and it does not create an anti S/T barrier. Itachi gets warped even while inside Susanoo since the Susanoo can't parry it.

Well I don't see how any of this really breaks the shield now does it? It doesn't harm the shield, so I'm still correct that the shield blocks all attacks, if Kamui isn't really an attack then I'm still correct seeing as I said it blocks all attacks. Where does that leave your Kumai statement now? If it is an attack it will get blocked if it's transportation then it doesn't need to get blocked.

Edit: @bold, it makes you sound like you're right and that's really stupid seeing as you're not...

@Bold
Really don't understand what you're trying to say, as all the characters in Naruto are spoken through Kishimoto, as he did write the manga O_0

The fact is, I don't feel like repeating what has already been said. It is clearly an exaggeration, just because Madara, didn't explain the mechanics of the PS slash or there isn't any databook entry, makes it less credible to the hype Yata Mirror has? The fact is the data book is unreliable and outdated so I don't even know why you are relying on that as a source. The fact is, it was stated that the PS slash destroys all creation. Which means the hype contradicts one another

What I meant was, Kishimoto clearly wrote what Madara said to make Madara sound cocky and so on, when he said the Yata Mirror blocks any attack through Zetsu, he was obviously explaining to the readers what the shield can do.