[Discussion] How many Logia's could possibly be left?

[NarutoIndra]

Tons and it's getting annoying.

 

[Skylar Knight]

Tons and it's getting annoying.

How is it getting annoying? There are only about ten characters in the series with logia abilities, so Oda is far from overdoing it.

 

[NarutoIndra]

How is it getting annoying? There are only about ten characters in the series with logia abilities, so Oda is far from overdoing it.

Depends how you look at it, it's only a matter of opinion whether you think it's being overdone or not. For me it is, probably going to end up like DBZ, where nearly every character can perform a kamehameha. It's only a matter of time till there is a wind, water, and earth logia.

 

[doubledude]

water logia= suicidal.

I'm not sure if it's confirmed but I think Devil fruit users only drown in sea, salt water. So if their fruit could produce water without salt (lakes,rives,...) then it's totally legit fruit and would be awesome.

 

[Skylar Knight]

Depends how you look at it, it's only a matter of opinion whether you think it's being overdone or not. For me it is, probably going to end up like DBZ, where nearly every character can perform a kamehameha. It's only a matter of time till there is a wind, water, and earth logia.

Logias are far from the strongest devil fruit users. Today, people like Luffy and Zoro can defeat most of them without problems.

 

[Pekoms]

I'm not sure if it's confirmed but I think Devil fruit users only drown in sea, salt water. So if their fruit could produce water without salt (lakes,rives,...) then it's totally legit fruit and would be awesome.

*Points to my last post*
It will never, ever happen

Also, anything that isn't a natural element will never be a logia.​

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

*Points to my last post*
It will never, ever happen

Also, anything that isn't a natural element will never be a logia.​

fresh water IS natural

I think wind and earth are definites

Fossil fuel fruit will be interesting to see , explosions , coating things and drowning things in oil , using extreme heat in attacks etc. it is all possible , i would love to see that

I think Trebol has a slime logia or a fungal zoan of sime kind

 

[Pekoms]

fresh water IS natural

I think wind and earth are definites

Fossil fuel fruit will be interesting to see , explosions , coating things and drowning things in oil , using extreme heat in attacks etc. it is all possible , i would love to see that

I think Trebol has a slime logia or a fungal zoan of sime kind

I never said it wasn't... the post I referenced explained why it wouldn't work.

After making a space between lines, I was no longer referring to the quoted content.
The natural element line was directed towards the people saying logias for fur, hair, etc.​

 

[NarutoIndra]

Logias are far from the strongest devil fruit users. Today, people like Luffy and Zoro can defeat most of them without problems.

I don't see your point, I never claimed they were although it is debatable whether they are or aren't. Saying people like Luffy and Zoro doesn't disprove Logia's being the strongest. Both of them are arguably top 5 in One Piece, and when you have a skill level that high, logia doesn't have as big of a impact as it usually would because of their haki's. But logia user without haki vs devil fruit (non logia) user without haki at same skill level would almost always end up with the logia user winning.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

I don't see your point, I never claimed they were although it is debatable whether they are or aren't. Saying people like Luffy and Zoro doesn't disprove Logia's being the strongest. Both of them are arguably top 5 in One Piece, and when you have a skill level that high, logia doesn't have as big of a impact as it usually would because of their haki's. But logia user without haki vs devil fruit (non logia) user without haki at same skill level would almost always end up with the logia user winning.

WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG

if logia's are strongest explain why most of a logical top 10 (my list) are not logia??? *=logia user
1.Roger
2.Whitebeard
3.Dragon
4.Shanks
5.Kaido
6.Big Mam
7.Blackbeard*
8.Mihawk
9,10,11,12,13.Akainu*/Kizaru*/Rayleigh/Kuzan*/marco

logia are the strongest devil fruits in general , but some zoan and paramecia are even stronger even if on the whole they are weaker...

Luffy and Zoro are struggling to get a top 30 position at the moment , top 5 onwards are multiple times stronger than them , you are a failure of a debater with no logical posts at all

Haki>Logia (in general)>Mythical Zoan>Ancient Zoan>Paramecia(in general)>Zoan

Haki defines the strongest , in the new world even if you had a fruit like the Goro Goro no mi you will be wiped out in seconds easily , logia fruits are not the strongest

 

[NarutoIndra]

WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG

if logia's are strongest explain why most of a logical top 10 (my list) are not logia??? *=logia user
1.Roger
2.Whitebeard
3.Dragon
4.Shanks
5.Kaido
6.Big Mam
7.Blackbeard*
8.Akainu*
9,10,11,12.Kizaru*/Rayleigh/Kuzan*/marco

logia are the strongest devil fruits in general , but some zoan and paramecia are even stronger even if on the whole they are weaker...

Luffy and Zoro are struggling to get a top 30 position at the moment , top 5 onwards are multiple times stronger than them , you are a failure of a debater with no logical posts at all

Haki>Logia (in general)>Mythical Zoan>Ancient Zoan>Paramecia(in general)>Zoan

Haki defines the strongest , in the new world even if you had a fruit like the Goro Goro no mi you will be wiped out in seconds easily , logia fruits are not the strongest

Not too much of a one piece fan, but i've skimmed over/read most chapters if not all and could still stand by my argument just so you know, so not everything I say is 100% correct. At first, let me just point out that you obviously cannot read correctly, since I clearly said if they were at the same level. When I claimed top 5 Zoro/Luffy I was talking about people that are still alive, I couldn't care less about the people that are dead in the moment. Even if they aren't, it wasn't made to be considered as a reality, I was only saying it to make a point of them being two of the highest skilled fighters in One Piece. Most people that are ranked higher have not shown any feats and are all hype, hence why I simply don't take them into any consideration at all. Once again though, if you read back, you would've seen I said same skill level, and most Logia's are simply of a low skill level whether you agree or disagree, it's fact. Saying i'm a terrible debater from one post of One piece just shows your impudence, though it doesn't really offend me coming from someone who writes posts as terrible as yours.

Your last few sentences don't make any sense either, you are comparing apple with oranges when you state that "haki>Logia (in general)>Mythical Zoan>Ancient Zoan>Paramecia(in general)>Zoan." I can't tell what you mean by this since it's in the list of 'devil fruits' when haki can be found in every person. Although I don't see how you can say Paramecia is weaker then ancient Zoan, you are only speaking of hype and of the single person we've seen. If you read were it said Logia user without haki vs (any) devil fruit user without haki, the logia user would have a much higher probability of winning if they are of the same skill level.

 

[Pekoms]

Logia types are only OP prior to the New World, even before then, they had their weaknesses.
Also, given how rare logia DFs are, it's reasonable for them to be stronger than the far more common paramecia/zoan.​

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Not too much of a one piece fan, but i've skimmed over/read most chapters if not all and could still stand by my argument just so you know, so not everything I say is 100% correct. At first, let me just point out that you obviously cannot read correctly, since I clearly said if they were at the same level. When I claimed top 5 Zoro/Luffy I was talking about people that are still alive, I couldn't care less about the people that are dead in the moment. Even if they aren't, it wasn't made to be considered as a reality, I was only saying it to make a point of them being two of the highest skilled fighters in One Piece. Most people that are ranked higher have not shown any feats and are all hype, hence why I simply don't take them into any consideration at all. Once again though, if you read back, you would've seen I said same skill level, and most Logia's are simply of a low skill level whether you agree or disagree, it's fact. Saying i'm a terrible debater from one post of One piece just shows your impudence, though it doesn't really offend me coming from someone who writes posts as terrible as yours.

Your last few sentences don't make any sense either, you are comparing apple with oranges when you state that "haki>Logia (in general)>Mythical Zoan>Ancient Zoan>Paramecia(in general)>Zoan." I can't tell what you mean by this since it's in the list of 'devil fruits' when haki can be found in every person. Although I don't see how you can say Paramecia is weaker then ancient Zoan, you are only speaking of hype and of the single person we've seen. If you read were it said Logia user without haki vs (any) devil fruit user without haki, the logia user would have a much higher probability of winning if they are of the same skill level.

Even compared to people alive luffy and zoro struggle for top 25 with lots of yet to be introduced characters which will be stronger e.g. first mates etc.

Logias are OP until you get to the new world, skim reading proves you have no idea what you are talking about as you missed out on a lot of information which you need to know , i don't think my post is terrible when i actually know what i am talking about when you only know half of it due to the fact you "skim" through a few chapters...

I said paramecia in general , Drakes devil fruit is stronger than paramecia fruits such as mr 3's,bon clays,buggys,brooks,hawkins,bonneys and urouges

luffy's is comparable in strength ; but luffy's power seems stronger than it really is due to his haki and the gears which weren't even a part of the package his devil fruit came with , the only paramecia fruits i can think of off the top of my head stronger than drakes fruit is whitebeards,doflamingo's,laws and kuma's...

NOTE: incase you didnt know "in general" compares X with a general collective random sample or the whole lot : i meant in comparison to paramecia fruits which are relatively weak to most other powers...

 

[NarutoIndra]

Even compared to people alive luffy and zoro struggle for top 25 with lots of yet to be introduced characters which will be stronger e.g. first mates etc.

Logias are OP until you get to the new world, skim reading proves you have no idea what you are talking about as you missed out on a lot of information which you need to know , i don't think my post is terrible when i actually know what i am talking about when you only know half of it due to the fact you "skim" through a few chapters...

I said paramecia in general , Drakes devil fruit is stronger than paramecia fruits such as mr 3's,bon clays,buggys,brooks,hawkins,bonneys and urouges

luffy's is comparable in strength ; but luffy's power seems stronger than it really is due to his haki and the gears which weren't even a part of the package his devil fruit came with , the only paramecia fruits i can think of off the top of my head stronger than drakes fruit is whitebeards,doflamingo's,laws and kuma's...

NOTE: incase you didnt know "in general" compares X with a general collective random sample or the whole lot : i meant in comparison to paramecia fruits which are relatively weak to most other powers...

Yes they may very well be, but I said I'm disregarding hype, hence why people who haven't shown there abilities aren't considered. Logia's are OP like all other devil fruits, but once again I will state that people in the new world with devil fruits other then logia are simply of higher SKILL level. Most logia users simply don't have the skill to compare with people from the new world. Saying I don't know because I 'skimmed' is rather ignorant, since skimming would still give you nearly 90% of the information, and I only skimmed unimportant parts.

There are a few successful Logia users who would have little trouble in the new world such as; Ace, Blackbeard, Enel, Borsalino, Smoker (debatable), Kuzan, Sakazuki, and obviously Blackbeard. In my opinion, no one stands a chance to Blackbeard in the moment other than arguably Kaido, Shanks, and Dragon, but this is only speaking from a hyped perspective, from what we have seen, no one does.

 

[N1nken]

I'm not sure if it's confirmed but I think Devil fruit users only drown in sea, salt water. So if their fruit could produce water without salt (lakes,rives,...) then it's totally legit fruit and would be awesome.

Any water, not just sea water.

Oda stated in SBS that Devil Fruit users are susceptible to all types of water, not just seawater. This includes the white sea surrounding Skypiea.

A water logia... I am 95% certain that in a SBS it was stated that it would never happen.
Also, any water has the capacity to negatively affect a DF user. It doesn't have to be salt water...​

True, however:

He elaborated on this, saying that "moving" water, like rain or waves, does not weaken Devil Fruit users, while standing water does.

A water logia, being composed of water, would be constantly in motion as it decomposes and composes in order to be utitlized. All logia, save for filler characters and Kuzan, have been shown to constantly be in motion whether it's an attack being used or whether they're defending themselves from an attack.

In all honesty, though, I doubt Oda would actually want to use a water logia. If he did, however, there would be ways around countering arguments on why there can't be a water logia.

OT: Earth, Wind, Oil, Metal (Logia or Paramecia), Energy (Logia or Paramecia). He could even combine a couple of elements already used and make a Weather Logia, if he wanted to.

 

[Pekoms]

A water logia, being composed of water, would be constantly in motion as it decomposes and composes in order to be utitlized. All logia, save for filler characters and Kuzan, have been shown to constantly be in motion whether it's an attack being used or whether they're defending themselves from an attack.

In all honesty, though, I doubt Oda would actually want to use a water logia. If he did, however, there would be ways around countering arguments on why there can't be a water logia.

OT: Earth, Wind, Oil, Metal (Logia or Paramecia), Energy (Logia or Paramecia). He could even combine a couple of elements already used and make a Weather Logia, if he wanted to.

You've misinterpreted the line and should have read beyond what you stated.
Obviously, such things as rain and waves will have negligible effects, primarily because both are temporary.
DF users lose mobility when knee-deep in water and their strength gets drained when dealing with smaller quantities.

Physical movement has nothing to do with their powers. There are instances that refute what your presuming.​