Top 20 with explanation

[JIME]

top lists are wrong like i always say
because its abc logic

just like fire>grass>water>fire>grass etc.
minato>sasuke>itachi>minato>sasuke etc.

you see the flawed logic?

I think the logic is more like "who on the top 20 list can beat the most people on the top 20 list."

So instead of saying that Water can beat Fire so Water is ranked higher, it's more like..

Water can beat 16 people on the top 20 list so Water is #1
While Fire can beat 14 people on the top 20 so Fire is #2.

Ya digg?

 

[Draphsin]

SM improves your abilities so he can

yeah controlling them all at the same time is difficult but Muu Nagato Trollkage are enough to put him in top 6-5

He cant fully control any without summoning them & removing their consciousness first.

Ninja such as Zabuza & Haku were easily able to resist full control for moments, not only that but kabuto stated himself that he needs anko to a) increase edo's binding power & b) keep the jutsu active.


Let me make a scenario for you:

The fight starts like this

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As you can see, kabuto summons them in an unconscious state, without any form of control.

This is how he controls his edos if he doesnt possess anko.

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He cant control & bind them remotely, he can only do that with anko's body & chakra, which kabuto doesnt get to keep.

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Since he doesnt have anko to leech off of, he cant overwrite his talismins remotely, therefore he needs to be up close to change the binding.

But he cant do this in a 1v1 fight because kabuto has to do this in order to use SM

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Therefore, his edos provide no use to him in battle, especially if he plans on using SM. & allowing him the use of anko is textbook prep time, which he does not get to use.

Btw, kabuto is 6th strongest, but its not because of edo tensei

 

[EZQ]

WRONG

He needs anko's body in order to keep the jutsu active, so not only does he need anko to absorb her chakra, but he needs her alive to keep the jutsu active. He doesnt get to keep anko in a 1v1 battle..




Prove to me that kabuto can fully control an edo while in SM? He cant

So all the enemy needs to do is avoid attacking the auto pilot edos & go straight for kabuto himself, he'll have to fully control them in order to use them effectively, but too bad cuz he hasnt been shown to even control 1 edo fully while in SM

You aint winning this argument buddy

Sure, like dodgind edo madara, edo nagato and edo 3rd raikage at the same time would be easy... NOBODY does that i tell you right now.

Another thing SHOW ME were is it stated that kabuto needs anko to activate the jutsu? the manga says TO MAKE STRONGER.

Also, kabuto can summon manda 2 to protect himself (he did while he was in base mode, no SM)

Yes your argument is still incomplete

 

[Draphsin]

Sure, like dodgind edo madara, edo nagato and edo 3rd raikage at the same time would be easy... NOBODY does that i tell you right now.

He cant fully control that many ninja without using anko, if anything he can pull off 1 summoning before he has to slither away.

Another thing SHOW ME were is it stated that kabuto needs anko to activate the jutsu? the manga says TO MAKE STRONGER.

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Read the manga scans I provide...Jeez

Also, kabuto can summon manda 2 to protect himself (he did while he was in base mode, no SM)

So what? Manda isnt an edo tensei...Why are you bringing him into this?

Yes your argument is still incomplete

More like im proving you wrong at every turn & the more you try to weasel out of it, the more you dig yourself into a deeper hole =D

 

[Turson]

1- Kabuto with edo tensei (includes between his summons edo madara and other 29 edos, NOBODY SOLOS THAT)

2- Current Orochimaru with edo tensei (4 edo kages INCLUDING EDO HASHIRAMA AT FULL POWER, only kabuto beats)

3- Hashirama (Well, i don't think we need a lot of explanation here, he's very strong)

4- EMS Madara with kyuubi (I count kyuubi as a part of madara's power, since he summoned and controlled him)

5- Obito with rinnengan (This obito is included with his summon GEDO MAZO, but no edo jins, since they're kabuto's)

6- BM Naruto ( His BM, Mixed with his will of fire gives him this spot, he has gotten uncredibly powerfull)

7- Nagato (This is nagato BEFORE HE USED gragon soul, we are talking about PRIME HEALTHY nagato)

8- EMS Sasuke (He hasn't showed a big change since MS, but he has a lot of durability now, that was his problem before)

9- MS Itachi (This is prime itachi, Totsuka sword and Yata mirror would put him higher if he could use susanoo more than 30 seconds lol)

10- Minato (Frog summons, Rasengan, quick reaction speed and high base speed, FTG and RDS)

11- Tobirama ( We still have to see a bit more of him, until now FTG and high chakra reserves give him this spot)

12- Muu (He can fly, he has no chakra and can't be sensed, and he has Jinton wich is > almost all defences)

13- Trollkage / 2nd mizukage (On par with muu, infinite explosions jutsu is hard to deal with)

14- 3rd Raikage: (He tied a fight with the hachibi, plus he has incredible speed feats and can tank RASENSHURIKEN)

15- MS Kakashi/ Killer Bee ( Kakashi has KAMUI HAX, Killerbee has BM HAX and in v2 mode he stomped taka)

This is actually... a really good list. Probably the best Ive seen in a long time.

 

[paratise]

I counted 15...
But list ain't bad.

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

He cant fully control any without summoning them & removing their consciousness first.

Ninja such as Zabuza & Haku were easily able to resist full control for moments, not only that but kabuto stated himself that he needs anko to a) increase edo's binding power & b) keep the jutsu active.


Let me make a scenario for you:

The fight starts like this

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As you can see, kabuto summons them in an unconscious state, without any form of control.

This is how he controls his edos if he doesnt possess anko.

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He cant control & bind them remotely, he can only do that with anko's body & chakra, which kabuto doesnt get to keep.

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Since he doesnt have anko to leech off of, he cant overwrite his talismins remotely, therefore he needs to be up close to change the binding.

But he cant do this in a 1v1 fight because kabuto has to do this in order to use SM

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Therefore, his edos provide no use to him in battle, especially if he plans on using SM. & allowing him the use of anko is textbook prep time, which he does not get to use.

Btw, kabuto is 6th strongest, but its not because of edo tensei

why should he resummon them ?

 

[startup97]

Hiruzen is missing from that list. But it's still your opinion.

 

[Draphsin]

why should he resummon them ?

Slightly confused, why should he resummon his edos?

Well, he's not allowed to start with them activated already if thats what you mean.

 

[Draegod]

Without anko kabuto's edos can resist getting fully controlled

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& this is with anko

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Kabuto cant use anko in battle, that counts as prep time, kabuto cannot fully control 30+ edos =D

Care to continue?

First off nobody can really beat DSm kabuto (besides maybe 4 ninjas), you add 2 or 3 edos he rapes any and everyone! Who said he needs 30??? He has 30 plus to choose from and if 1 goes down he can summon another While raping you with DSM!

Kabuto with DSM and 1/2/3 edos is more then enough for anyninja ever shown!

He can make them mindless zombies or he can make them auto pilot zombies! Either way who can beat that???

All anko did was add orus chakra to his already huge chakra for a better edo control. He still can control them with out ankos curese seal chakra. Fact!

 

[Draphsin]

All anko did was add orus chakra to his already huge chakra for a better edo control. He still can control them with out ankos curese seal chakra. Fact!

Okay, im not going to argue with someone who doesnt even read the manga, or the posts in the thread

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He needs anko's body, fact.

 

[Pravin5]

Sasuke , Kabuto, Itachi are overrated

Jiraiya should be in Top 15 at least

JiRaiya >>> Itachi
jiraiya >>>> sasuke

and dude where the fuk is Might guy ???
Might Guy is stronger than Itachi, Muu, mizukage

 

[Draphsin]

Sasuke , Kabuto, Itachi are overrated

Jiraiya should be in Top 15 at least

JiRaiya >>> Itachi
jiraiya >>>> sasuke

and dude where the fuk is Might guy ???
Might Guy is stronger than Itachi, Muu, mizukage

Dont worry, I already proved how flawed this list is already

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

First off nobody can really beat DSm kabuto (besides maybe 4 ninjas), you add 2 or 3 edos he rapes any and everyone! Who said he needs 30??? He has 30 plus to choose from and if 1 goes down he can summon another While raping you with DSM!

Kabuto with DSM and 1/2/3 edos is more then enough for anyninja ever shown!

He can make them mindless zombies or he can make them auto pilot zombies! Either way who can beat that???

All anko did was add orus chakra to his already huge chakra for a better edo control. He still can control them with out ankos curese seal chakra. Fact!

this ^^^^

too bad Kabuto haters are almost as annoying as Itachi haters

 

[KevinPJH]

Also Hiruzen should be considered:

Hiruzen > Ei
Hiruzen > Onoki
Hiruzen > Yagura
Hiruzen > Gaara Sr.
Hiruzen > Danzo
Hiruzen > Tobirama
Hiruzen > Orochimaru

No.
10chars

 

[Draphsin]

this ^^^^

too bad Kabuto haters are almost as annoying as Itachi haters

U_U Read post #53 bro....

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

No.
10chars

Care to provide an explanation?

Orochimaru said that if Hiruzen were just 10 years younger that he could have won.

After Orochimaru lost his arms, Kabuto tried to cheer up Orochimaru by saying he did manage to kill Hiruzen whom, even old, was still considered the strongest Gokage who in pt1. were: Hiruzen, Ei, Onoki, Yagura, and Gaara Sr.

In Danzo's flashback, Hiruzen said right in front of Tobirama that he was the most powerful one there and Tobirama didn't disagree, he even ended up making Hiruzen the new Hokage.

Danzo said before he died that he could never surpass Hiruzen.

Then there's Iruka's comment where Hiruzen PRIME is the strongest Hokage, which Hiruzen agreed with. Hashirama being stronger is a possible retcon, and it was established again that Hiruzen was stronger than Tobirama, and it hasn't been disproven that Hiruzen Prime is stronger than Minato.

Without anko kabuto's edos can resist getting fully controlled

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& this is with anko

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Kabuto cant use anko in battle, that counts as prep time, kabuto cannot fully control 30+ edos =D

Care to continue?

Zabuza and Haku were resisting, perhaps because they were fighting someone they didn't want to hurt, but still under Kabuto's command. Kabuto has two options at this point: take full control, as he did, or unsummon them.

Kabuto doesn't need to fully control 30+ Edo Tenseis, that's what auto-pilot is for.

Kabuto could also kill Anko and take her chakra, but kept her alive so he could use her for Edo Tensei later; as he said in that scan you provided.

WRONG

He needs anko's body in order to keep the jutsu active, so not only does he need anko to absorb her chakra, but he needs her alive to keep the jutsu active. He doesnt get to keep anko in a 1v1 battle..




Prove to me that kabuto can fully control an edo while in SM? He cant

So all the enemy needs to do is avoid attacking the auto pilot edos & go straight for kabuto himself, he'll have to fully control them in order to use them effectively, but too bad cuz he hasnt been shown to even control 1 edo fully while in SM

You aint winning this argument buddy

No, he doesn't need her to keep the jutsu active. He needed her chakra to strengthen his control, but he doesn't need her alive for that. He planned on using her for Edo Tensei later.

Why can't he fully control an Edo Tensei while in SM? Doesn't matter anyway since they are on auto-pilot.

Kabuto cant use his edos in battle

& oro cant use his hokage in battle because hashi will break free & stop him

Yes, Kabuto CAN use all his Edo Tenseis in battle. Hell, he was fighting Sasuke and Itachi with all of his Edo Tenseis still around... the ones that were still active were Chiyo, Kimimaro, Muu, Madara, and Itachi. Kabuto doesn't even need all of his Edo Tensei either, he's already almost impossible to defeat for most characters, then if he whips out a couple Edo Tenseis? Overkill.

Depends, is Orochimaru fighting a bad guy? Also, Orochimaru can dismiss Hashirama and keep the others. Orochimaru is a powerful ninja, it's next to impossible to beat him AND Minato, Tobirama, and Hiruzen as well.

 

[EZQ]

Dont worry, I already proved how flawed this list is already

While kabuto was fighting itachi and sasuke, all the edo's were around still fighting, so yes he CAN summon all his edos in battle and let them in auto- pilot.

The jutsu needs a human sacrifice to make the summon, KABUTO ALREADY DID ALL THE HUMAN SACRIFICES FOR EACH SUMMON....

BUT LETS SAY THAT you are right, kabuto can only control 1 edo if he hasn't got anko's chakra... he summons his strongest one, EDO MADARA, and he summons him without counciousness, and EDO madara is n2 in all the NV, so youre fighting the n2 + another dangerous opponent....

Yes kabuto is n1 face it.

 

[Sacrosanct]

Here's my list:
1) Hashirama
2) Madara
3) Obito
4) Nagato
5) Naruto
6) Kabuto
7) Sasuke
8) Tobirama/Itachi/Minato
9) Muu/Nidaime Mizukage
10) Sandaime Raikage/Bee

It's enough of a hassle to get to 10. Getting to 20 is too much work.

 

[Micho22]

Putting tobirama at place 11 is not fair
Currently he has no feats that are bettdf tjan tsunades raikages or oonoki
Just to say he hss ftg anx high chakra reserves and put him on 11 is not fair
Tsunadd and raikage also have huge chakra reserves