Orochimaru's Yagura Theory

[Orochimaruofthesound]

I see no Plausible idea in this thread at all

just stop trolling i get what you are trying to but events in the timeline and how they occurred make tobi being the one to control yagura as false

edit: maybe not initially hell the 3rd mizukage could have been a jinchuriki as well and have been under madara's and this happened no matter how you look at it madara instigated the obito rin kakashi situation


also yagura while looked young was infact a grown adult

 

[Hell Autarch]

I'll make it simple.

- Yagura becomes Mizukage
- Village nicknamed "The Bloody Mist"
- Rin captured and Sanbi sealed inside of her
- Rin's death thus killing away the Sanbi in the process
- Sanbi revival
- Sanbi sealed inside of Yagura
- Obito manipulates Yagura as well as Sanbi through Genjutsu
- Yagura's death
- Sanbi's death
- Sanbi's revival in a lake
- Sanbi captured and sealed away by Akatsuki

Now many of you might be thinking. "How could Obito cast a Genjutsu on a Perfect Jinchuuriki?"
My answer is since Obito was easily able to tame the Nine-Tails who is the strongest Bijuu; I find no reason why he cannot tame the Sanbi as well.

 

[Orochimaruofthesound]

I'll make it simple.

- Yagura becomes Mizukage
- Village nicknamed "The Bloody Mist"
- Rin captured and Sanbi sealed inside of her
- Rin's death thus killing away the Sanbi in the process
- Sanbi revival
- Sanbi sealed inside of Yagura
- Obito manipulates Yagura as well as Sanbi through Genjutsu
- Yagura's death
- Sanbi's death
- Sanbi's revival in a lake
- Sanbi captured and sealed away by Akatsuki

Now many of you might be thinking. "How could Obito cast a Genjutsu on a Perfect Jinchuuriki?"
My answer is since Obito was easily able to tame the Nine-Tails who is the strongest Bijuu; I find no reason why he cannot tame the Sanbi as well.

i honestly dont believe yagura was a prefect jinchuriki

 

[Hell Autarch]

See? Needless confusion.

1. yes, the third wasn't mentioned, but there was the Hozuki guy (2nd Mizukage) and Yagura (4th), then Mei (5th) so there has to be a third Mizukage.

2. when Yagura was shown to be under the control of Tobi, Tobi and Kisame were almost at their current age and Yagura was a kid, one of the youngest kage in history... and when he died, according to Naruto, he was younger than Naruto himself (15 or 16 at best). It is essentially impossibile that Yagura was already a kage when Obito became Madara's apprentice, I'd even question if he was born at all. Yagura clearly wasn't a Kage during the third war.

Now, if you keep attention in the "Obito+Zetsu VS Kirigakure shinobi" fight, you'll see that the village was already known as "Bloody Mist" by that time and its ninja even bragged about it being labeled as such. All of that fight does OBVIOUSLY take place before Yagura's (Tobi's) reign.

It does make sense, then, that Yagura hosted Isobu AFTER Rin. Any other explanation makes no sense, in fact.

3. the only way to go around this is saying that Tobi was Madara at the time, and not the "current" Tobi (Obito), and Kisame looked somewhat older than he was for some reason, and when Obito took the mask away Kisame mistook him for Madara because of yet some other weird reason, such as Obito disguising himself as Madara with genjutsu or so. Which is your theory as I understand. Point here is that the timeline is not screwed, it becomes screwed if your theory is taken as true.

4. Last thing, Naruto had contact with all the previous jinchuriki in his spiritual experience. There it is confirmed that the last jincuriki of Isobu was Yagura, which therefore comes after Rin.

You're mistaken. According to you, the moment Yagura became the Mizukage' Obito cast a Genjutsu on him.

 

[Hell Autarch]

i honestly dont believe yagura was a prefect jinchuriki

Well, According to Danzo he is. But that doesn't matter right now.

 

[Orochimaruofthesound]

You're mistaken. According to you, the moment Yagura became the Mizukage' Obito cast a Genjutsu on him.

Yagura was tyrant before he was taken over

 

[Orochimaruofthesound]

Well, According to Danzo he is. But that doesn't matter right now.

I only say i dont believe it because obito cant control naruto or b

 

[Strawberry]

I honestly see a couple of answers here too lazy to post them but we require a bit more info

 

[Hell Autarch]

See? Needless confusion.

1. yes, the third wasn't mentioned, but there was the Hozuki guy (2nd Mizukage) and Yagura (4th), then Mei (5th) so there has to be a third Mizukage.

2. when Yagura was shown to be under the control of Tobi, Tobi and Kisame were almost at their current age and Yagura was a kid, one of the youngest kage in history... and when he died, according to Naruto, he was younger than Naruto himself (15 or 16 at best). It is essentially impossibile that Yagura was already a kage when Obito became Madara's apprentice, I'd even question if he was born at all. Yagura clearly wasn't a Kage during the third war.

Now, if you keep attention in the "Obito+Zetsu VS Kirigakure shinobi" fight, you'll see that the village was already known as "Bloody Mist" by that time and its ninja even bragged about it being labeled as such. All of that fight does OBVIOUSLY take place before Yagura's (Tobi's) reign.

It does make sense, then, that Yagura hosted Isobu AFTER Rin. Any other explanation makes no sense, in fact.

3. the only way to go around this is saying that Tobi was Madara at the time, and not the "current" Tobi (Obito), and Kisame looked somewhat older than he was for some reason, and when Obito took the mask away Kisame mistook him for Madara because of yet some other weird reason, such as Obito disguising himself as Madara with genjutsu or so. Which is your theory as I understand. Point here is that the timeline is not screwed, it becomes screwed if your theory is taken as true.

4. Last thing, Naruto had contact with all the previous jinchuriki in his spiritual experience. There it is confirmed that the last jincuriki of Isobu was Yagura, which therefore comes after Rin.

Yes, according to Naruto; Yagura was even younger than him. But according to Yagura, he was a grown up man.

 

[Hell Autarch]

Yagura was tyrant before he was taken over

I know that....

I was talking to Momo86...

 

[AllomnisymbolsparttwoT]

just stop trolling i get what you are trying to but events in the timeline and how they occurred make tobi being the one to control yagura as false

edit: maybe not initially hell the 3rd mizukage could have been a jinchuriki as well and have been under madara's and this happened no matter how you look at it madara instigated the obito rin kakashi situation

also yagura while looked young was infact a grown adult

I am not trolling, lul you seeing a panel and saying i dont see nothing in the panel at all is trolling, face facts, I agree with madara controlling yagura before, but that the man who met kisame that time was OBITO, Kisame confirmed it!

you talked about transform,

Madara in his old age and in his transformed younger 606 OF Naruto self dont look like obito's FACE, Obito has a scar and he is just different, kisame saw obito's whole face you deny the panel where he saw him with long hair,

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you.. butt hurt?

 

[Orochimaruofthesound]

I am not trolling, lul you seeing a panel and saying i dont see nothing in the panel at all is trolling, face facts, I agree with madara controlling yagura before, but that the man who met kisame that time was OBITO, Kisame confirmed it!

you talked about transform,

Madara in his old age and in his transformed younger 606 OF Naruto self dont look like obito's FACE, Obito has a scar and he is just different, kisame saw obito's whole face you deny the panel, you butt hurt

Show you irrefutable proof he did and i wont deny it but that panel proves nothing my friend. because his face isnt shown there isnt a mask in the hand thats shown either

 

[Momo86]

that madara was controling the mist long before tobi was around

I'm not saying this theory is proven wrong, I am merely saying that the timeline makes pretty clear that Yagura's time came after Rin and Yagura hosting Isobu was after Rin hosting Isobu. What Madara did or caused during his latest years can literally be everything, including manipulating the Mist and/or forcing Obito to join.

You're mistaken. According to you, the moment Yagura became the Mizukage' Obito cast a Genjutsu on him.

I never implied it nor it is consequential to anything I said. Your timeline may very well be correct, even if a bit weird, I still have an hard time thinking Yagura was Kage during the 3rd War. I also tend to think that Isobu ran away during his extraction from Yagura, because Obito had no reason to kill Yagura with other means (than extraction) when he had him under his complete control, but that's just a supposition once again.

I think it's safer to assume that Yagura was Kage after the war, since he obviously died after the war and was very young when he died, making him an hard choice for Mizukage before the war.

 

[Orochimaruofthesound]

I'm not saying this theory is proven wrong, I am merely saying that the timeline makes pretty clear that Yagura's time came after Rin and Yagura hosting Isobu was after Rin hosting Isobu. What Madara did or caused during his latest years can literally be everything, including manipulating the Mist and/or forcing Obito to join.



I never implied it nor it is consequential to anything I said. Your timeline may very well be correct, even if a bit weird, I still have an hard time thinking Yagura was Kage during the 3rd War. I also tend to think that Isobu ran away during his extraction from Yagura, because Obito had no reason to kill Yagura with other means (than extraction) when he had him under his complete control, but that's just a supposition once again.

I think it's safer to assume that Yagura was Kage after the war, since he obviously died after the war and was very young when he died, making him an hard choice for Mizukage before the war.

Its been stated that Yagura was running things even then the possibility of the the 3rd being a host as well could stand madara was controlling mist well before tobi who he was controlling thats the real question

 

[The Paradox]

Oh you're that dude that was in my thread last night. Saying something about where did it state Yagura died and stuff. If I recall my thread correctly, I never stated anything about his death. I researched before I made my thread last night. Yagura was alive and made the Jinchuriki AFTER Rins death. You also said Rin's body was never taken by Obito... right, so do I need to go get the page where it used Kamui on her and himself? From the translation I read, it was assumed Rin already had the 3 tails sealed in her, so my question was if that was the case.. where the hell did Yagura get it?

Youngest Mizukage or not, it is fact he died when he was a grown adult, his appearance was just childish. Hell, when Naruto first met him and called him a child, the dude corrected him if I remember that interaction right.

Check facts before you make a thread, saves the rest of the NB from having to correct you.

 

[Momo86]

Yagura was tyrant before he was taken over

Not exactly, the village was known as Bloody Mist before Yagura was taken over, which doesn't generally imply that Yagura was a tyrant himself. Point being, we don't know when Yagura's reign started.

Yes, according to Naruto; Yagura was even younger than him. But according to Yagura, he was a grown up man.

I always interpreted that sentence like "I am not a child" but, actually, you could be correct. In that case (Yagura being an adult), your timeline would probably be correct as well.

 

[AllomnisymbolsparttwoT]

Show you irrefutable proof he did and i wont deny it but that panel proves nothing my friend. because his face isnt shown there isnt a mask in the hand thats shown either

PLOT! if they showed obito's face everyone would have known before 599 but here kisame confirms it to be obito. Irrefutable is seeing obito grown up there with yagura, and this here .BELOW. Pay attention will ya?

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Unless you want to cover that up and disagree with the manga. for the second time, your idea is inplausible

 

[Hell Autarch]

I'm not saying this theory is proven wrong, I am merely saying that the timeline makes pretty clear that Yagura's time came after Rin and Yagura hosting Isobu was after Rin hosting Isobu. What Madara did or caused during his latest years can literally be everything, including manipulating the Mist and/or forcing Obito to join.

I never implied it nor it is consequential to anything I said. Your timeline may very well be correct, even if a bit weird, I still have an hard time thinking Yagura was Kage during the 3rd War. I also tend to think that Isobu ran away during his extraction from Yagura, because Obito had no reason to kill Yagura with other means (than extraction) when he had him under his complete control, but that's just a supposition once again.

I think it's safer to assume that Yagura was Kage after the war, since he obviously died after the war and was very young when he died, making him an hard choice for Mizukage before the war.

Yagura was not young at the time of his death. He was in fact older than the current Gaara. Yes, Yagura did become the Jinchuuriki of the Sanbi AFTER Rin but that does not change the fact that the village was nicknamed "The Bloody Mist" under Yagura reign.

Well we do not know the history of the Kirigakure perfectly because of Rin becoming the Sanbi's Jinchuuriki. Nevertheless, we shall find out more in the coming chapters IF Kishimoto wants us to which is very unlikely as we will now see an entire flashback of Kakashi, Rin and Obito having a mission.

 

[Orochimaruofthesound]

PLOT! if they showed obito's face everyone would have known before 599 but here kisame confirms it to be obito. Irrefutable is seeing obito grown up there with yagura, and this here .BELOW. Pay attention will ya?

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Unless you want to cover that up and disagree with the manga. for the second time, your idea is inplausible

I can now agree that kisame knew but at the same time madara instigated said events i mentioned so my idea is still plausible