Orochimaru's Yagura Theory

[Orochimaruofthesound]

with the fall out of "windhole"(gigity) there has been many questions relating to Yagura's status as a jinchuriki

Its never been stated when yagura died also During the time period of the 3rd great nija war Yagura was mizukage so its likely he was the Jinchuriki and I believe yagura had died while under madara's control.

Everything lined up perfectly

Rins capture her being turned into a jinchuriki obito crushed

Madara was the one controlling yagura not obito. and through madaras control yagura ordered rins capture and the tailed beast abstraction from yagura and placed in rin resulting ing yagura's death. nothing about yagura lines up with the timeline so hopefully in the coming chapters we learn more bloody mist

 

[Edo Odin]

But Obito was shown to be the one controlling Yagura (We know this since Kisame recognized him instantly after he revealed himself), so that doesn't quite add up.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

It was never stated how yagura got his bijuu out of his body but its been confirmed tht he was the junjirchi for 3tails

What I don't understand is who is the 3rd misukage we have trollkage as 2nd and then space and then yagura as the 4th

 

[AllomnisymbolsparttwoT]

The man who controlled yagura was confirmed to be obito when kisame saw tobi many years later and said former lord mizukage,

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[Orochimaruofthesound]

But Obito was shown to be the one controlling Yagura (We know this since Kisame recognized him instantly after he revealed himself), so that doesn't quite add up.

The man who controlled yagura was confirmed to be obito when kisame saw tobi many years later and said former lord mizukage,

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first kisame believed obito to be madara uchiha obito was acting as if he was madara he even claimed to be the one who nagato the rinnegan which was not true. So my idea is still plausible

 

[Momo86]

Yagura was the jinchuriki of Isobu some time after Rin has been. The Mist Village was nicknamed "Bloody Mist" under the reign of the 3rd Mizukage, which was never shown in the series, and prior to the Yagura/Tobi reign.

I don't understand why people keep confusing the timeline for these facts.

 

[Orochimaruofthesound]

Yagura was the jinchuriki of Isobu some time after Rin has been. The Mist Village was nicknamed "Bloody Mist" under the reign of the 3rd Mizukage, which was never shown in the series, and prior to the Yagura/Tobi reign.

I don't understand why people keep confusing the timeline for these facts.

fact the 3rd mizukage has never been mentioned at all it became known under yagura's reign even before madara/tobi took control

 

[AllomnisymbolsparttwoT]

first kisame believed obito to be madara uchiha obito was acting as if he was madara he even claimed to be the one who nagato the rinnegan which was not true. So my idea is still plausible

Your idea is still not plausible, he saw obito's face, and called him so, Kisame would have tell the difference between the man he talked with years eariler THE REAL MADARA as you claim and obito presently, also we saw the long haired dude had black hair not white gray hair

 

[NoMoreLove]

you mean to tell me rin "captured" the f***** mizukage? a little snot like rin capturing the leader of a nation who happens to be a jinchuriki? either that or your english is bad but I digress.

Madara in his 200 year old state couldn't be controlling the mizukage so again your theory is flawed. He died ages ago and left Obito to go around saying he WAS madara. Read the manga, your theory is flawed

 

[Orochimaruofthesound]

Your idea is still not plausible, he saw obito's face, and called him so, Kisame would have tell the difference between the man he talked with years eariler THE REAL MADARA as you claim and obito presently, also we saw the long haired dude had black hair not white gray hair

a simple transformation could change that and he saw his sharingan. point being you cant dismiss how everything lined up before obito even became tobi

also Onoki didnt notice any differences

 

[Orochimaruofthesound]

you mean to tell me rin "captured" the f***** mizukage? a little snot like rin capturing the leader of a nation who happens to be a jinchuriki? either that or your english is bad but I digress.

Madara in his 200 year old state couldn't be controlling the mizukage so again your theory is flawed. He died ages ago and left Obito to go around saying he WAS madara. Read the manga, your theory is flawed

mardara is only 80-85 at time of death and no where did i state rin captured the mizukage

 

[AllomnisymbolsparttwoT]

a simple transformation could change that and he saw his sharingan. point being you cant dismiss how everything lined up before obito even became tobi

also Onoki didnt notice any differences

Onoki never saw obito's face Lul he believed because of rep, A simple transformation oh please, Thats too farfetch, if you"re implying obito use genjutsu, you"re wrong he saw obito's face twice, he had black hair before his eye gleamed in the dark, the only genjutsu in that scene was on yagura,

No it dont, when obito controlled yagura, obito was a grown man, clearly AFTEER RIN'S DEATH,

 

[AllomnisymbolsparttwoT]

you mean to tell me rin "captured" the f***** mizukage? a little snot like rin capturing the leader of a nation who happens to be a jinchuriki? either that or your english is bad but I digress.

Madara in his 200 year old state couldn't be controlling the mizukage so again your theory is flawed. He died ages ago and left Obito to go around saying he WAS madara. Read the manga, your theory is flawed

Madara must have been in his 90's to hundred so :I

 

[Orochimaruofthesound]

Onoki never saw obito's face Lul he believed because of rep, A simple transformation oh please, Thats too farfetch, if you"re implying obito use genjutsu, you"re wrong he saw obito's face the only genjutsu in that scene was on yagura,

No it dont, when obito controlled yagura, obito was a grown man, clearly AFTEER RIN'S DEATH,

Grown man right now hes agrown man a child could not control a nation. Besides Kisame never saw his entire face he saw the crushed portion which resembles an old face. Either way Its an original idea and i have plausible evidence. Regardless nothing about obito has been concrete either.

 

[Momo86]

fact the 3rd mizukage has never been mentioned at all it became known under yagura's reign even before madara/tobi took control

See? Needless confusion.

1. yes, the third wasn't mentioned, but there was the Hozuki guy (2nd Mizukage) and Yagura (4th), then Mei (5th) so there has to be a third Mizukage.

2. when Yagura was shown to be under the control of Tobi, Tobi and Kisame were almost at their current age and Yagura was a kid, one of the youngest kage in history... and when he died, according to Naruto, he was younger than Naruto himself (15 or 16 at best). It is essentially impossibile that Yagura was already a kage when Obito became Madara's apprentice, I'd even question if he was born at all. Yagura clearly wasn't a Kage during the third war.

Now, if you keep attention in the "Obito+Zetsu VS Kirigakure shinobi" fight, you'll see that the village was already known as "Bloody Mist" by that time and its ninja even bragged about it being labeled as such. All of that fight does OBVIOUSLY take place before Yagura's (Tobi's) reign.

It does make sense, then, that Yagura hosted Isobu AFTER Rin. Any other explanation makes no sense, in fact.

3. the only way to go around this is saying that Tobi was Madara at the time, and not the "current" Tobi (Obito), and Kisame looked somewhat older than he was for some reason, and when Obito took the mask away Kisame mistook him for Madara because of yet some other weird reason, such as Obito disguising himself as Madara with genjutsu or so. Which is your theory as I understand. Point here is that the timeline is not screwed, it becomes screwed if your theory is taken as true.

4. Last thing, Naruto had contact with all the previous jinchuriki in his spiritual experience. There it is confirmed that the last jincuriki of Isobu was Yagura, which therefore comes after Rin.

 

[AllomnisymbolsparttwoT]

Grown man right now hes agrown man a child could not control a nation. Besides Kisame never saw his entire face he saw the crushed portion which resembles an old face. Either way Its an original idea and i have plausible evidence. Regardless nothing about obito has been concrete either.

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UPPER RIGHT PANEL, dude please stop just stop, you dont.

 

[Orochimaruofthesound]

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UPPER RIGHT PANEL, dude please stop just stop, you dont.

That pannel proves nothing thats kisames flashback not obitos or madaras

 

[AllomnisymbolsparttwoT]

That pannel proves nothing thats kisames flashback not obitos or madaras

yes it does, it proves kisame saw obito's whole face and not cracked, you just got owned again now look at how stupid this is,

 

[Orochimaruofthesound]

See? Needless confusion.

1. yes, the third wasn't mentioned, but there was the Hozuki guy (2nd Mizukage) and Yagura (4th), then Mei (5th) so there has to be a third Mizukage.

2. when Yagura was shown to be under the control of Tobi, Tobi and Kisame were almost at their current age and Yagura was a kid, one of the youngest kage in history... and when he died, according to Naruto, he was younger than Naruto himself (15 or 16 at best). It is essentially impossibile that Yagura was already a kage when Obito became Madara's apprentice, I'd even question if he was born at all. Yagura clearly wasn't a Kage during the third war.

Now, if you keep attention in the "Obito+Zetsu VS Kirigakure shinobi" fight, you'll see that the village was already known as "Bloody Mist" by that time and its ninja even bragged about it being labeled as such. All of that fight does OBVIOUSLY take place before Yagura's (Tobi's) reign.

It does make sense, then, that Yagura hosted Isobu AFTER Rin. Any other explanation makes no sense, in fact.

3. the only way to go around this is saying that Tobi was Madara at the time, and not the "current" Tobi (Obito), and Kisame looked somewhat older than he was for some reason, and when Obito took the mask away Kisame mistook him for Madara because of yet some other weird reason, such as Obito disguising himself as Madara with genjutsu or so. Which is your theory as I understand. Point here is that the timeline is not screwed, it becomes screwed if your theory is taken as true.

4. Last thing, Naruto had contact with all the previous jinchuriki in his spiritual experience. There it is confirmed that the last jincuriki of Isobu was Yagura, which therefore comes after Rin.

YOUCANT DISMISS THIS as coincedence

Rin gets captured by mist ninja rin becomes jinchuriki by force of mist ninja kakashi and obito rescue rin obito is crushed saved by madara the zetsus report rin and kakashi are in trouble and madara is 100% sure obito will join him

that madara was controling the mist long before tobi was around

yes it does, it proves kisame saw obito's whole face and not cracked, you just got owned again now look at how stupid this is,

its shows nothing in that pannel at all

 

[AllomnisymbolsparttwoT]

YOUCANT DISMISS THIS as coincedence

Rin gets captured by mist ninja rin becomes jinchuriki by force of mist ninja kakashi and obito rescue rin obito is crushed saved by madara the zetsus report rin and kakashi are in trouble and madara is 100% sure obito will join him

that madara was controling the mist long before tobi was around



its shows nothing in that pannel at all

I see no Plausible idea in this thread at all