OhitsAaron
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Religion is always a very touchy argument no matter where you go but i Believe in my heart the jesus died on the cross for me and god sent his son to clean us of our sins :scorps:
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SpiderRider89
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Right, it's all indoctrination. Just like the history books in your schools.
I know it's not common knowledge, but any and all religious threads are banned. I don't blame you for not knowing. In fact, I have posted a couple myself. I only found out because a moderator closed one of them. That's why It's pretty surprising that like 25% of threads posted in General Discussion are religious.
That being said, this thread would likely be against the rules even if it wasn't religious. It's pretty antagonistic towards Athiests.
That being said, this thread would likely be against the rules even if it wasn't religious. It's pretty antagonistic towards Athiests.
My answer:
1: there are no consequenses? 0_o? so if I got out and a murdering Rampage I won't either get shot by cops, or imprissoned for the rest of my life? If I really believed there wore no life after death (as i do by the way) then why the flying **** would I want to spend the rest of my life in a small jail cell? taking away any chances I might ever get to be happy? I want to live my life to the fullest and be as happy as I possible can, without hurting anyone else in the process, now tell me how that is gonna work out if i end up in jail for the rest of my life?
2: I don't deny there is evil or good in this world, there is way to much evil in this world, and honestly if there wore more atheists out there there would be less evil people.
We atheists actually have to correct out mistakes and live with our failures, christans just clasp their hands in prayer and wisper to their God, and suddently all is fine and they can go on living their live as they pleases, because when ever they do evil acts they know that their god will just forgive them if they just ask for it.
If I hurt someone one, I have to go up to them and tell them how sorry I am for what I did, and try to make amense to that person, I have to live with my mistakes the rest of my life, where Christans just get to wast their slate clean every time they pray for forgiveness.
3:Why does life exist? well I don't know, currently the idea of A bio Genesis is the best we have come up with, but atleast I am honest about it "in saying I don't know" I just don't go around saying "God did it" christians don't know either, they just say god used his magical powers, every single time there is something we don't know, religious people say "god did it" and then later true science we find a explanation to "insert something here" and then the religious people looks stupid, because they claimed this was something their God had done, when it was clearly proven not to have happended by Magic, but natural processes.
Why do we exist?: at some point there was none homo sapienes then true the process of evolution in some primates we ended up comming about (lucky us hua?)
Why is all of this all around us?: I guess he means why does our planet exist? well at some point a star collaped in on it self and wend super nova and out of that gas cloud formed our star and all the planets in our solar system.
why am I here? Well that is a easy question
I am here Alive because My parents had unprotected ***, my mom got pregnent, then 5 weeks before I should have been born the doctors realized there was something wrong so they had to take me out with a seasection (is that how you spell it?)
An for the record, why does that guy keep saying: why, why, why? I mean come on, grow up a littel why is a work a 5 year old uses to ask his or hers parents about stuff, the truly awesome stuff can only be answered if you ask "How" now that is a good way to start a question
My purpose: well acording to biology my purpose in life is to have offspring to carrie on the genepoll (which is actually something I have chosen not to do, I don't want to have children) but generally my purpose in life is to enjoy life! Have fun with my friends, see stuff exprience things, make other people happy, to learn as much truth as I can and as few false things as I can, that is my purpose in life.
Justification: "how is to say that hitler was wrong?" well every mother ****ing single moral person that ever lived that have herd about the holocaust? maybe they would have a thing or two to say about it? (and for the record, hitler and the Nazi army, they wore christian, they justifed what they did true the Bible) Had hitler been a atheist he could not have done that, sure he could have used other methodes, but it was only because of christianity that he was able to recruite such a large part of the christian population in germany that he was even able to take over germany like he did (he ofcause also used the great depression in germany, so im not saying he was only using christianity, but it was a very big factor in it)
why not just kill people when your angry: I simply can't answer this retarded question... I mean come on... I have morals, I have empaty... I mean... DAFUQ! is this question... 0_o?
Fool = Athiest: first of all, if you go research just a littel you will see that the world Fool was not ment as we use it today, and even if it was, It's still just religious people trying to tell their followers what they things people that don't belive in their God is.
And honestly the only Fools around here are those that just belive anything without justification, I personally can't just belive something on blind faith I have to have evidence for the stuff I belive in, which is the reason I don't belive in any God or Gods, or Santa Clause, elves, unicorns, faires, dragons, the lockness monster, the list goes on and on.
If you can come up with statement of a belief in something that is not backed up with evidence, I can disregard and dismiss it without evidence either, you have to prove your own claim, I don't have to disprove it.
The reality is: God will bless the rightious and god will curse the wicked: well then, when will he start doing that? I see and hear about many wicked people, living in luxary while good people get murdere, or innorcent people starving to death... how about your God start doing something about that!
One of the most evil thing I can think of is to have the power to stop suffering and injustice and choses to do nothing about it! And if God is as powerfull as most Christians claim, he is the most evil, the most wicked being I have ever heart of in my intire LIFE!
Jesus dies on the cross for us: so what he is saying, is that if Adolf Hitler prayed for forgiveness to jesus he is in heaven now? ...... ..... ..... But random Joe the atheist that spend his intire life helping people, giving money to charity, doing the best he could for all the people in the world is going to burn in hell all eternity because he did not belief in a God? what did I tell you, Most evil Being ever!
Turn from athiesm: If god really existed he would not have created me to be so sceptic about stuff, especially not the stuff that makes abselutely no sence what so ever...
So God created me knowing full well that I could never belive in him... Litterly creating me to go to hell to be tourtured forever... that is the kind of God you worship... are that really something a Just and Loving God would do? Because led me tell you, I could better, you could do better, pretty much any person that is alive today, that is not a psychopat could do better!
1: there are no consequenses? 0_o? so if I got out and a murdering Rampage I won't either get shot by cops, or imprissoned for the rest of my life? If I really believed there wore no life after death (as i do by the way) then why the flying **** would I want to spend the rest of my life in a small jail cell? taking away any chances I might ever get to be happy? I want to live my life to the fullest and be as happy as I possible can, without hurting anyone else in the process, now tell me how that is gonna work out if i end up in jail for the rest of my life?
2: I don't deny there is evil or good in this world, there is way to much evil in this world, and honestly if there wore more atheists out there there would be less evil people.
We atheists actually have to correct out mistakes and live with our failures, christans just clasp their hands in prayer and wisper to their God, and suddently all is fine and they can go on living their live as they pleases, because when ever they do evil acts they know that their god will just forgive them if they just ask for it.
If I hurt someone one, I have to go up to them and tell them how sorry I am for what I did, and try to make amense to that person, I have to live with my mistakes the rest of my life, where Christans just get to wast their slate clean every time they pray for forgiveness.
3:Why does life exist? well I don't know, currently the idea of A bio Genesis is the best we have come up with, but atleast I am honest about it "in saying I don't know" I just don't go around saying "God did it" christians don't know either, they just say god used his magical powers, every single time there is something we don't know, religious people say "god did it" and then later true science we find a explanation to "insert something here" and then the religious people looks stupid, because they claimed this was something their God had done, when it was clearly proven not to have happended by Magic, but natural processes.
Why do we exist?: at some point there was none homo sapienes then true the process of evolution in some primates we ended up comming about (lucky us hua?)
Why is all of this all around us?: I guess he means why does our planet exist? well at some point a star collaped in on it self and wend super nova and out of that gas cloud formed our star and all the planets in our solar system.
why am I here? Well that is a easy question
I am here Alive because My parents had unprotected ***, my mom got pregnent, then 5 weeks before I should have been born the doctors realized there was something wrong so they had to take me out with a seasection (is that how you spell it?)An for the record, why does that guy keep saying: why, why, why? I mean come on, grow up a littel why is a work a 5 year old uses to ask his or hers parents about stuff, the truly awesome stuff can only be answered if you ask "How" now that is a good way to start a question
My purpose: well acording to biology my purpose in life is to have offspring to carrie on the genepoll (which is actually something I have chosen not to do, I don't want to have children) but generally my purpose in life is to enjoy life! Have fun with my friends, see stuff exprience things, make other people happy, to learn as much truth as I can and as few false things as I can, that is my purpose in life.
Justification: "how is to say that hitler was wrong?" well every mother ****ing single moral person that ever lived that have herd about the holocaust? maybe they would have a thing or two to say about it? (and for the record, hitler and the Nazi army, they wore christian, they justifed what they did true the Bible) Had hitler been a atheist he could not have done that, sure he could have used other methodes, but it was only because of christianity that he was able to recruite such a large part of the christian population in germany that he was even able to take over germany like he did (he ofcause also used the great depression in germany, so im not saying he was only using christianity, but it was a very big factor in it)
why not just kill people when your angry: I simply can't answer this retarded question... I mean come on... I have morals, I have empaty... I mean... DAFUQ! is this question... 0_o?
Fool = Athiest: first of all, if you go research just a littel you will see that the world Fool was not ment as we use it today, and even if it was, It's still just religious people trying to tell their followers what they things people that don't belive in their God is.
And honestly the only Fools around here are those that just belive anything without justification, I personally can't just belive something on blind faith I have to have evidence for the stuff I belive in, which is the reason I don't belive in any God or Gods, or Santa Clause, elves, unicorns, faires, dragons, the lockness monster, the list goes on and on.
If you can come up with statement of a belief in something that is not backed up with evidence, I can disregard and dismiss it without evidence either, you have to prove your own claim, I don't have to disprove it.
The reality is: God will bless the rightious and god will curse the wicked: well then, when will he start doing that? I see and hear about many wicked people, living in luxary while good people get murdere, or innorcent people starving to death... how about your God start doing something about that!
One of the most evil thing I can think of is to have the power to stop suffering and injustice and choses to do nothing about it! And if God is as powerfull as most Christians claim, he is the most evil, the most wicked being I have ever heart of in my intire LIFE!
Jesus dies on the cross for us: so what he is saying, is that if Adolf Hitler prayed for forgiveness to jesus he is in heaven now? ...... ..... ..... But random Joe the atheist that spend his intire life helping people, giving money to charity, doing the best he could for all the people in the world is going to burn in hell all eternity because he did not belief in a God? what did I tell you, Most evil Being ever!
Turn from athiesm: If god really existed he would not have created me to be so sceptic about stuff, especially not the stuff that makes abselutely no sence what so ever...
So God created me knowing full well that I could never belive in him... Litterly creating me to go to hell to be tourtured forever... that is the kind of God you worship... are that really something a Just and Loving God would do? Because led me tell you, I could better, you could do better, pretty much any person that is alive today, that is not a psychopat could do better!
Actually if you go back in the old texts and look at that, you will see that it sayes: Loves you neighbor as youself, as long as he is a jew just like you, if he is not, you can kill him...
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What exactly do you wished to achieve? Post it on a site where they talked about science and religion 24/7, don't post this nonsense on a manga-based site where most of the users will post either "you'll get flame", criticizing one religion, treating believers as if they're idiots for believing in something, criticizing the atheist for not believing in something, or post some sort of idiotic sarcasm which they find funny.
But since you created this thread, I will simply state my reply.
- The guys argument are more toward moral rather than scientific. He went more toward what life will be without a God but he ignores all the events and cruelty that's happening in the world when he believes there is an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent and omnibenevolent being watching over all of us. He talked about Hitler's punishment when he could've talked about why God didn't prevent Hitler from committing such crimes.
- "Why are we here?"
There is a good chance that the world happened in an accident hence other planets unstable condition. Earth is one of the 'lucky' planets because it received enough elements and stability for life to exist. There's a good chance life exist once in Mars but due to it's unstable condition, life extinct and the same probably goes with some of the other planets.
To sum it all up; there's a possibility that we exist out of luck - by accident.
I made a theory regarding this a while ago but since my dad told me it was illogical for several reason, I stopped theorizing it. I would've posted here but it's too long and I have a life.
- Evolution is a fact.
- Atheism is a religion of the foolish, aye? Okay, I accept that. I could do the same and tell them that they're the foolish one, but that would be stupid because my belief could be wrong. I could say that if God do exist, I'm sure an all loving God like him will forgive me for not believing in him due to the lack of proof he provided since he is a deity who can see the future and 'sees all' so I don't see how he wouldn't be able to see the world will be filled with so many religions and the disbelievers who doesn't accept his existence due to lack of proof. I mean, it's humans nature to be curious. If he exist, he created science. If he exist, there is no free-will since an all knowing God would be able to predict something without a person doing it - some may say that God created two path; the good or the bad and each good decision will have a different path likewise for the bad but still, that is considered as not having any free-will due to us being created 'in his own image' therefore he created criminals while knowing they'll become criminals, he created rapist while knowing they'll become rapist, he created murderers while knowing they'll become murderers, and so on and on. So, he basically created a person he'll torture in hell, huh? I don't see any of that being 'all-loving' at all. I said all this not to insult any religion; but to say that a person can be whatever he wants to be, he can believe whatever he wants to believe, and they shouldn't changed into something out of fear because of the God most people worship are all loving then he should forgive us if he's real. It's not like we prayed each day to not believe in him, it's the lack of proof and for most people; they believe in him but despise him due to the lost of their loved ones. You shouldn't insult someone or trying to 'take them down' just because you disagree with their lifestyle.
Pretty sure I will get flame for this but oh well, expect no replies from me since I barely come online but if you reply with something of an argument - a nice kind of argument [ debate ], I might reply but it'll probably take a while since I come here at least 4 times a month [ Just saying so someone won't think "oh I've won an internet argument because that person is too butt-hurt from my reply to his post." ]
If you're gonna insult me, go on, as if I care about some insults on the internet made by a person who's avoiding something new and is too butt-hurt to understand others decisions.
But since you created this thread, I will simply state my reply.
- The guys argument are more toward moral rather than scientific. He went more toward what life will be without a God but he ignores all the events and cruelty that's happening in the world when he believes there is an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent and omnibenevolent being watching over all of us. He talked about Hitler's punishment when he could've talked about why God didn't prevent Hitler from committing such crimes.
- "Why are we here?"
There is a good chance that the world happened in an accident hence other planets unstable condition. Earth is one of the 'lucky' planets because it received enough elements and stability for life to exist. There's a good chance life exist once in Mars but due to it's unstable condition, life extinct and the same probably goes with some of the other planets.
To sum it all up; there's a possibility that we exist out of luck - by accident.
I made a theory regarding this a while ago but since my dad told me it was illogical for several reason, I stopped theorizing it. I would've posted here but it's too long and I have a life.
- Evolution is a fact.
- Atheism is a religion of the foolish, aye? Okay, I accept that. I could do the same and tell them that they're the foolish one, but that would be stupid because my belief could be wrong. I could say that if God do exist, I'm sure an all loving God like him will forgive me for not believing in him due to the lack of proof he provided since he is a deity who can see the future and 'sees all' so I don't see how he wouldn't be able to see the world will be filled with so many religions and the disbelievers who doesn't accept his existence due to lack of proof. I mean, it's humans nature to be curious. If he exist, he created science. If he exist, there is no free-will since an all knowing God would be able to predict something without a person doing it - some may say that God created two path; the good or the bad and each good decision will have a different path likewise for the bad but still, that is considered as not having any free-will due to us being created 'in his own image' therefore he created criminals while knowing they'll become criminals, he created rapist while knowing they'll become rapist, he created murderers while knowing they'll become murderers, and so on and on. So, he basically created a person he'll torture in hell, huh? I don't see any of that being 'all-loving' at all. I said all this not to insult any religion; but to say that a person can be whatever he wants to be, he can believe whatever he wants to believe, and they shouldn't changed into something out of fear because of the God most people worship are all loving then he should forgive us if he's real. It's not like we prayed each day to not believe in him, it's the lack of proof and for most people; they believe in him but despise him due to the lost of their loved ones. You shouldn't insult someone or trying to 'take them down' just because you disagree with their lifestyle.
Pretty sure I will get flame for this but oh well, expect no replies from me since I barely come online but if you reply with something of an argument - a nice kind of argument [ debate ], I might reply but it'll probably take a while since I come here at least 4 times a month [ Just saying so someone won't think "oh I've won an internet argument because that person is too butt-hurt from my reply to his post." ]
If you're gonna insult me, go on, as if I care about some insults on the internet made by a person who's avoiding something new and is too butt-hurt to understand others decisions.
I don't see the relevance in criticizing his grammar rather than replying with something relevant to what he replied with.
RasenUchihaChaos
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Pervy Wrath
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Hey, God forgives everything, right? I'll just ask for his forgiveness when I'm at my deathbed
Oh, by the way, that's the dumbest video I've ever seen. Oh, and Hitler was Roman Catholic. Just because I don't believe in God, I can't be held accountable for my actions? I don't have a purpose? Sure
Oh, by the way, that's the dumbest video I've ever seen. Oh, and Hitler was Roman Catholic. Just because I don't believe in God, I can't be held accountable for my actions? I don't have a purpose? Sure
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The question "Why?" is how I live my life actually. I wish to spend my life as an Atheist and also asking the questions why and how to everything I study. I don't care if a god exists or not, I just don't want to say the answer to everything is a book written thousands of years ago. I want to look forward and find my own answers.
If, in the end, after I die, a god does exist, then I know for a fact what question s/he will ask me. Why? Well, I spent a good 40, 60, maybe even upwards to 80 years looking for answers to why. So god, since you are apparently eternal, sit back and relax because I have years of research to show you.
If, in the end, after I die, a god does exist, then I know for a fact what question s/he will ask me. Why? Well, I spent a good 40, 60, maybe even upwards to 80 years looking for answers to why. So god, since you are apparently eternal, sit back and relax because I have years of research to show you.
SpiderRider89
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Kids are impressionable, so if their parents tell them there is no god... then that's what they believe. Indoctrination is the process of teaching.
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RasenUchihaChaos
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In the end atheists believe in the religion of Nothing Therefore they believe in me The God Of Nothing
that is my title after all Lmao
that is my title after all Lmao