ProphecY 1: Madara's "Teleportation Jutsu" A MUST READ!!!

[The ProphecY]

Nice theory, I would've thought the exact same thing you did if I didn't re-read the SM Naruto vs Pain fight, but sadly, Madara does not posses a teleportation technique.

Madara didn't teleport to Obito, he simply used Shinra Tensei/BansoTen'in on himself to move to where Obito was like Pain did against Naruto as shown here:

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As you can see on that Pain panel on the second page that I showed you, that is the image that is created when someone is being targeted by the Banso Ten'in technique, and after that he used Shinra Tensei or the Banso Ten'in technique to propel himself away from Naruto ( albeit Naruto may have helped him do such a thing ).

Well how did he know where Obito was? Simple, he has been shown to be able to sense chakra from a considerable distance away as shown here:

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Of course, we don't know exactly the extent in which he can sense, but what we can conclude is that he can sense people with considerably high chakra levels at very far distances like most shinobi can. Naruto's chakra levels in Bijuu Mode are so high that even Sasuke all the way from Konoha village can sense it, and he's not even a sensor! Madara would've concluded that since there was Kyuubi and Hachibi chakra in that area he would've then figured out that Obito was probably fighting them, so he used Shinra Tensei on himself to move there.

Nice try by the way, very well put. =D

I think it's impossible for pain to use the shinra tensei on himself. What happened there was he try to use that jutsu to attack the kyubi but it fired back at him due to the beast force. Besides, it's still uncertain if Madara can use shinra tensei, as we haven't seen him perform the jutsu yet.

I'm not sure if Madara is a true sensor, because from previous chapter he didn't even sensed where the original Naruto's body is. I think it's more logical to assume that he sensed Obito other than the 9-tailed fox or Naruto's chakra, because he implanted the same Hashirama cells into his body.This could also be the reason how he sensed Hashirama.

At the bolded part, thank's!

 

[Ultimatum]

I think it's impossible for pain to use the shinra tensei on himself. What happened there was he try to use that jutsu to attack the kyubi but it fired back at him due to the beast force. Besides, it's still uncertain if Madara can use shinra tensei, as we haven't seen him perform the jutsu yet.

I'm not sure if Madara is a true sensor, because from previous chapter he didn't even sensed where the original Naruto's body is. I think it's more logical to assume that he sensed Obito other than the 9-tailed fox or Naruto's chakra, because he implanted the same Hashirama cells into his body.This could also be the reason how he sensed Hashirama.

At the bolded part, thank's!

Madara knows how to use the Six Paths abilities as shown here:

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As you can see in the bottom of the manga scan Madara stated that he would teach Obito the Rikudo's jutsu ( that would mean the Six Path's abilities ), and what further proves this is that if
Obito taught Nagato how to use his Rinnegan to the point where he can use all six Pains, then how could he have done so if he doesn't even know how to perform such jutsus or wasn't taught how to perform them?


I've clearly admitted that Madara isn't a sensor, but what we can safely conclude is that he can sense people with large chakra reserves from a very large distance away ( like most shinobi should be capable of doing, especially if they are sensing a Bijuu ), and saying that he sensed Hashi's cells only supports my point, as it widens the spectrum of things that Madara can sense.

 

[The ProphecY]

Madara knows how to use the Six Paths abilities as shown here:

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As you can see in the bottom of the manga scan Madara stated that he would teach Obito the Rikudo's jutsu ( that would mean the Six Path's abilities ), and what further proves this is that if
Obito taught Nagato how to use his Rinnegan to the point where he can use all six Pains, then how could he have done so if he doesn't even know how to perform such jutsus or wasn't taught how to perform them?


I've clearly admitted that Madara isn't a sensor, but what we can safely conclude is that he can sense people with large chakra reserves from a very large distance away ( like most shinobi should be capable of doing, especially if they are sensing a Bijuu ), and saying that he sensed Hashi's cells only supports my point, as it widens the spectrum of things that Madara can sense.

It's true that Madara was the one to teach Obito the Rikuduo's jutsu & Obito probably teach Nagato how to use the Rinnegan's full power. However, we lacked information on the extent to which Rikuduo / Madara can execute the path's abilities. One can only assume that Shina Tensei was only exclusive to Nagato. If Madara can perform that jutsu he could have done it a couple of times as the jutsu itself is too OP. He's an Edo, there's no need for him to worry about his stamina or chakra reserves.

If all he can really sensed are the ninja's with large chakra reserves then there's no way for Madara to ask Obito where was the original Naruto. I still believe Madara sensed Obito & Hashirama through Zetsu's spores or Hashi's cells as he have the same cells on his curent body.

Sorry for the late replies, work always on the way to be honest.:nuts:

 

[Ultimatum]

It's true that Madara was the one to teach Obito the Rikuduo's jutsu & Obito probably teach Nagato how to use the Rinnegan's full power. However, we lacked information on the extent to which Rikuduo / Madara can execute the path's abilities. One can only assume that Shina Tensei was only exclusive to Nagato. If Madara can perform that jutsu he could have done it a couple of times as the jutsu itself is too OP. He's an Edo, there's no need for him to worry about his stamina or chakra reserves.

If all he can really sensed are the ninja's with large chakra reserves then there's no way for Madara to ask Obito where was the original Naruto. I still believe Madara sensed Obito & Hashirama through Zetsu's spores or Hashi's cells as he have the same cells on his curent body.

Sorry for the late replies, work always on the way to be honest.:nuts:

Again, if Obito was able to teach Nagato how to use his Rinnegan as he promised here:

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Then he would obviously know how to perform all six jutsus or at least be capable of teaching it which requires knowledge since barely anyone in that time period knew what a Rinnegan was and what it was capable of doing.

Madara is known to toy with unworthy opponents, his troll of the Five Kages is noteworthy to that. He knows that there is no one that can stand up to him in the battlefield in combat, and it's obvious that he was holding back this entire time, he's very cocky and knows what he is capable of. Besides, the Susanoo seems to be a good alternative from using Shinra Tensei, which is overkill compared to the people Madara is facing. It can go to different levels so that Madara can decide how much power he really wants to use, but with Shinra Tensei? Probably not so much. One can also assume that he gained the knowledge of the SO6P through that tablet. That inspired him to go about his plan, he had the battle between him and Hashirama played out so that he could get his cells and gain the Rinnegan and set everything up from there, heck, the next few chapters might explain why he gave his eyes to Nagato.

I agreed with your last point because it was basically proving my point that Madara can sense a wide spectrum of things, proving that he would've known where Obito was, the Kyuubi was, and the Hachibi. Perhaps we will see further into the extent of his abilities next chapter.

 

[FearxDeath]

I love you man but I gotta disagree with you on this one, to me:

Obito's MS have the ability to access an alternate dimension.

The one eye Obito has allows him to send himself and the things he touches to said alternate dimension, we know that he is required to touch someone in order to transport them based on his fight with Minato.

The one eye Kakashi has allows him to send things from a distance to said alternate dimension.

The way Obito achieves intangibility is by quickly sending portions of his body that are about to make contact with something to the alternate dimension and then bring them back once contact has been avoided. This gives off the appearance of intangibility. This was shown in his fight with Naruto and Kakashi, here is a link [

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As far as Zetsu's Teleportation goes I dont think that is actually Teleportation as much as it is a jutsu similar to Kisame's Subterranean Voyage Jutsu [

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Then again I could be being overly critical, the thread is a few months old, perhaps it is outdated x__X

 

[johnny335704]

Obito's left eye and right eye has different abilities.
Obito's eye has the ability to warp himself or anyone he touches. On the other hand, Kakashi's eye has ability to warp anyone & the sorroundings. Also Kakashi can warp himself to or from Kamui dimension now.

Senju DNA just gives Obito a physical strength boost to make his jutsus/techs stronger.

Zetsu only travels through wood/trees/land using his sprout or clones for reaching the destination points at fast speed.

 

[The ProphecY]

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I love you man but I gotta disagree with you on this one, to me:
Obito's MS have the ability to access an alternate dimension.
The one eye Obito has allows him to send himself and the things he touches to said alternate dimension, we know that he is required to touch someone in order to transport them based on his fight with Minato.
The one eye Kakashi has allows him to send things from a distance to said alternate dimension.
The way Obito achieves intangibility is by quickly sending portions of his body that are about to make contact with something to the alternate dimension and then bring them back once contact has been avoided. This gives off the appearance of intangibility. This was shown in his fight with Naruto and Kakashi, here is a link [

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As far as Zetsu's Teleportation goes I dont think that is actually Teleportation as much as it is a jutsu similar to Kisame's Subterranean Voyage Jutsu [

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]. SImply based on the fact that before he "Teleports" he always disappears into the ground. And the Fact that we know that he is made up of Mokuton.
Then again I could be being overly critical, the thread is a few months old, perhaps it is outdated x__X

Obito's left eye and right eye has different abilities.
Obito's eye has the ability to warp himself or anyone he touches. On the other hand, Kakashi's eye has ability to warp anyone & the sorroundings. Also Kakashi can warp himself to or from Kamui dimension now.
Senju DNA just gives Obito a physical strength boost to make his jutsus/techs stronger.
Zetsu only travels through wood/trees/land using his sprout or clones for reaching the destination points at fast speed.

The very reason why I believe Tobi's Instant Teleportation Technique does not come alone with his MS is because Kakashi does not possess the same ability when in fact they have the same eyes. Tobi's Kamui is short range or needed contacts to send his target into another dimension while Kakashi's long range or can send others to another dimension even without physical contacts. Logically speaking this is the ability of Tobi’s left & right eye.

To support my claim this was the incident when Kakashi first brought up to Tobi’s MS dimension.

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As we can see from the scanned pictures, Kakashi used his kamui to send himself back to the NV’s real world. But the exact locations where he was sent & back are the same. Rationally, Kakashi does not possess the same ability as Obito’s. This is why I think Obito’s MS alone is not the key to his instant teleportation ability. He can only teleport himself with the use / help of Zetsu spores or Hashirama’s cell, & this is what lacks Kakashi.

Furthermore, Kakashi already settled this in chapter 596 titled One Jutsu. He stated that Obito's right eye uses only one jutsu. One to dematerialize & one to make things appear & disappear.

Zetsu's MayFly jutsu is different from that of Obito, however the reason why I compared his jutsu to Obito is because he can also teleport via long distance just like Obito. Although a little bit slower than that of Obito's. Also Zetsu's body is composed of Senju & Uchiha DNA as White Zetsu or Black Zetsu alone cannot travel through long distance.

That's the very reason why I believe Madara possess some kind of Teleportation Jutsu because as my theory stated, Instant Teleportation Technique is one of the jutsu's can be obtained by combining both Senju & Uchiha DNA.

OT: Its true that this is a bit old. But this is what I learned form previous chapters. Teleportation Jutsu is also known as Body Flicker Technique, a high speed movement. S/T tech on the other hand is also known as Instant Teleportation Technique. I believe Madara who possess both Uchiha & Senju DNA has his own version of Instant Teleportation Technique.

But then again this is just a mere theory, so I could really be wrong. Until proven otherwise, its still good to know your views in this matter.