[Question] The strongest Shinigami after Yamamoto..

[kotoamatsukami]

Feeling someones spiritual pressure is enough to gauge someones power level and Yammy still considered him weak.



It was sonido Stark was just so proficient at it that people think of it as teleportation because he could travel such long distances so quickly you even see the kanji for Sonido .. Sounds like very much like Shunsui(again another similarity). I think you better reread the whole chapter Stark couldnt use the wolves lol

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Stark doesnt use the Wolves because Shunsui didnt give Stark the space to use them effectively in essence making it a one on one sword even sword fight :yeah:
Stop overhyping Ulquiorra when he even said there are stronger espada than him... He knows he is not the most powerful so if thats the case you shouldnt think he is the strongest espada. Those ceros will take out Ulquiorra with speed and destructive power. And I thought I said he cant control Lanza and Ulquiorras cero would definitely not be on the level of Stark who specializes in cero.




Stark was over barragans level hence being the primera... in raw power maybe they were about even because Shunsui thought barragan was the 1st espada but Stark was named first because he is simply a better fighter. Because both Barragan and Stark are long range fighters Stark has shown the better attack speed so if he has better attack speed he could just spam the ceros faster than Barragans ability and it would get closer and closer to hitting barragan till he gets barraged by all of them.



Unohana was still very much bloodthirsty and a dangerous fighter did you not see her in the fight against Zaraki?

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Lol it does matter who CC is it isnt given to just anyone it has to be someone strong.... I cant believe you think that anyone can be CC it is a position of rank and authority not just given to anyone on a whim. Yes all captains are strong but it has to be a captain who has the strength to be respected by the captains you are leading. The captains werent useless they were simply taken off guard, none of them died and some were able to inflict some wounds even if it was minimum. The only captains who we saw inflict some damage were Yama, Shunsui, Byakuya and Zaraki.




Nah I think it is safe to say they were gonna die, they were too injured and wouldnt have been able to do much to a healthy Stark, who was ready to give them the final blow while they were just standing there.



When Byakuya wakes up he may have lost power because of the wounds.... He may never become a captain again, Tenjiro said he could save his life but not restore his powers. I also dont think that while in the royal realm the Shinigami will gain any huge powerups just train hard and become stronger the good old fashioned way... Isnt that why Hikifune fed them up so that they are at full strength for training.



Because the one that copies powers was killed by Zaraki, and the twin that copies memories and personality turned into Juha and had all of Juhas memories and personality lol I thought it was pretty obvious.

Zaraki killed Loyd Loyd and Yama killed Royd Loyd. Confusing yes but I think that made sense.

Yea yammy called him weak because he lost an yes yammy is the strongest espada meaning stark is under him aswell..

He used something besides sonido or mabey it was sonido...yea he ain't use the wolves in the manga that's stupid he should have cuz it was way to easy..not overhyping ulquiorra a lot of people thinks he's stronger than stark..idk his second release was to real he seems the strongest.

It just seemes like there is no way to reach barrgan.simply put he will age every cero thrown his way.

Yea she turned bloodthirsty cuz she had to..an no they won't caught off guard they had a straight up fight an did nothing..they could not use bankai so ill cut them some slack but in the end they all did nothing but Yama an kenpachi...
All captains have respect they are strong like I said an can lead..

That's why love was kinda mad at kyoraku an said ur always stepin in someone else fight..they were not that hurt they are tough an they would have used bankai.

When byakuya wakes up he will return back to his normal self an I can bet he will fight again.

An yea I forgot kenpachi already beat the other twin.

But anyway kenpachi>kyoraku&stark.

 

[crackpot]

Yea yammy called him weak because he lost an yes yammy is the strongest espada meaning stark is under him aswell..

I guess lol You can take it how you want to. Im just saying he is definitely stronger than Nnoitra, Ulquiorra and Grimjoww because he called them all trash because they are so much lower than him in ranking.

He used something besides sonido or mabey it was sonido...yea he ain't use the wolves in the manga that's stupid he should have cuz it was way to easy..not overhyping ulquiorra a lot of people thinks he's stronger than stark..idk his second release was to real he seems the strongest.

It was sonido.... It wasnt that Stark didnt want to use the wolves it was that Shunsui didnt give Stark any space to use the wolves, because it would just blow up in Starks faceif he used it close range.
Ulquiorras release seems the strongest because it was simply overpowering a weaker opponent.

It just seemes like there is no way to reach barrgan.simply put he will age every cero thrown his way.

We have seen barragan get hit because he wasnt able to age the explosion by soifon fast enough, so I think starks Cero metrallata and wolves would be enough to come at him at such a fast rate and from all angles that he would get caught eventually.

Yea she turned bloodthirsty cuz she had to..an no they won't caught off guard they had a straight up fight an did nothing..they could not use bankai so ill cut them some slack but in the end they all did nothing but Yama an kenpachi...
All captains have respect they are strong like I said an can lead..

She turned bloosthirsty so easily though which means that she hasnt really changed, its like she has a split personality. They were caught off guard because they thought the war would start in 5 days but because Ichigo went to Hueco Mundo Bach ambushed them earlier causing havoc and having the element of surprise.
Yes they have respect but to be able to have the respect to be ordered around by a fellow captain when they have their own pride is a different story.

That's why love was kinda mad at kyoraku an said ur always stepin in someone else fight..they were not that hurt they are tough an they would have used bankai.

Though that is why I like Shunsui actually because he doesnt follow the rules in a war and does what he thinks needs to be done even if it is ruthless. He is a combat pragmatist and will take any opening he sees and doesnt think there is honour in war because both sides are evil.. Hence not following the rules and being one of the most ruthless fighters around because he doesnt think fighting in a war is honourable.

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I think Love and Aikawa were gonna die Stark was too strong for the other two hence defeating them.

When byakuya wakes up he will return back to his normal self an I can bet he will fight again.

Yeah maybe it will be interesting what happens he will live but whether he will get get more powerful is another story. Other than that I think Renji will still surpass him even if he returns to his former strength.

But anyway kenpachi>kyoraku&stark.

Nah I dont think so anyway for me anyway Shunsui will be above Zaraki because of better feats and ability which I have seen myself in the manga.

 

[BigBlade Master]

Unohana or Zaraki

maybe Ichimaru

 

[Rinnegan No Obito]

Notice when grimjow fought shinji he did not use his release form thoe...an no you talk as if stark is 3times stronger than ulquiorra an that's a dam lie..lol his reiatsu is probly near stark no its past Starks an that green stick thing does WAY more damage that those weak cero does..an like I said befor them weak cero can't do shit if a getsuga tensho does nothing to him..like stark told rojuro and love he said regular cero won't bring you Guys down if it can't bring them down it dam show not bringing down ulquiorra..an ulquiorra would destroy those wolves easy and they are two slow..his spiritual pressure can kill hollows all it wants its not going to phase ulquiorra.

Stark has more reiatsu than barrgan? Where was this said?

HE NEVER USED HIS SHIKAI POWER JUST HIS PHYSICAL STRENGTH THAT IS ALL just like ichigo his sword is stuck in shikai for an ichgo shikai form is pointless without getsuga tensho.

Lol um no ss is her home she has lived there for over a thousand years she going to do what ever it takes to make sure that place stays safe no matter who is cc ..once you live somewhere long enough you will grow to like it an will protect it by any means.

No rephrase that stark was stronger than kenpachi but not anymore..stark was not extremely strong he was strong but not that strong every captain/vizard he fought could have beat him 1 on 1 if they would have used bankai..stark was going all out why they wer just useing shikai..

He does not have a chance at surpassing byakuya unless this zanpacto guy works wonders for him.

I thought the one Yama fought was the one that copy's techniques an powers not the one that copies memories..so yea that twin blunt vene was stronger an most likely everything else about him was stronger aswell

I for one don't view Star as highly as most people simply because to me he never posed a threat to Shunsui, their fight was so anti climatic it wa sickening.
Shunsui
Byakuya
Pachi

I also have Mayouri up there as well because I think he has contingency plans and multiple tricks up his sleeve.

 

[Typhon]

One of the Zero Squad members would be strongest. Its impossible to know which one as we haven't seen them fight, but we know they're all stronger than the members of the Gotei 13.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

I guess lol You can take it how you want to. Im just saying he is definitely stronger than Nnoitra, Ulquiorra and Grimjoww because he called them all trash because they are so much lower than him in ranking.



It was sonido.... It wasnt that Stark didnt want to use the wolves it was that Shunsui didnt give Stark any space to use the wolves, because it would just blow up in Starks faceif he used it close range.
Ulquiorras release seems the strongest because it was simply overpowering a weaker opponent.



We have seen barragan get hit because he wasnt able to age the explosion by soifon fast enough, so I think starks Cero metrallata and wolves would be enough to come at him at such a fast rate and from all angles that he would get caught eventually.



She turned bloosthirsty so easily though which means that she hasnt really changed, its like she has a split personality. They were caught off guard because they thought the war would start in 5 days but because Ichigo went to Hueco Mundo Bach ambushed them earlier causing havoc and having the element of surprise.
Yes they have respect but to be able to have the respect to be ordered around by a fellow captain when they have their own pride is a different story.



Though that is why I like Shunsui actually because he doesnt follow the rules in a war and does what he thinks needs to be done even if it is ruthless. He is a combat pragmatist and will take any opening he sees and doesnt think there is honour in war because both sides are evil.. Hence not following the rules and being one of the most ruthless fighters around because he doesnt think fighting in a war is honourable.

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I think Love and Aikawa were gonna die Stark was too strong for the other two hence defeating them.



Yeah maybe it will be interesting what happens he will live but whether he will get get more powerful is another story. Other than that I think Renji will still surpass him even if he returns to his former strength.



Nah I dont think so anyway for me anyway Shunsui will be above Zaraki because of better feats and ability which I have seen myself in the manga.

Where did this yammy thing even come from he just named the people ichigo fought if ichigo fought stark he would have said stark is weak as well.

Ulquiorra would not give stark an opening ether his speed was super fast he out speeded ichigo who is known for his speed as we seen vs byakuya an ulquiorra made ichigo look like he was standing still an that was just off his first release..an stark does not seem strong because he was not really putting up a match for kyoraku..should have switched back to the cero guns smh

Yea soi fon explosion was huge an happens fast were ass stark cero are fast but make no huge explosion to really reach barrgan..

She turned that way for zaraki if she would have made it out she would have just turned back to nice an sweet...the captains won't caught off guard in none of there fights Yama was the only one they knew they could no use bankai but did it anyway.
But yea like I said unohana has never been shown to be ordered around by anyone she was jut doing what's best for ss don't matter who's head captain she would have still trained zaraki if asked to and knew it was their last hope.

Yea stark defeated them because they wer not fighting at their full power..an everybody is ruthless in a fight an tries to catch there opponent off guard incept zaraki an his squad members..

Yea I have a feeling byakuya will get stronger or something new just cus he's one of the main characters next to ichigo.

An no kenpachi will be a killing machine now that he's back to his old self an will show us all what a true fighter fights like.

 

[Souji]

Zero Squad members. Not counting those, Ukitake and Kyoraku are the strongest

 

[crackpot]

Where did this yammy thing even come from he just named the people ichigo fought if ichigo fought stark he would have said stark is weak as well.

Yes so we know he is more powerful than those he didnt name the top three, so we cant say he thinks he is stronger than them.

Ulquiorra would not give stark an opening ether his speed was super fast he out speeded ichigo who is known for his speed as we seen vs byakuya an ulquiorra made ichigo look like he was standing still an that was just off his first release..an stark does not seem strong because he was not really putting up a match for kyoraku..should have switched back to the cero guns smh

Ulquiorra has shown exceptional speed but that is compared to an Ichigo who was shown to be really weak compared to the top captains. Byakuya prides himself on his speed but is the SS arc im pretty sure he couldnt keep up with Yoruichi who hadnt trained in 100 years and was also carrying ichigo. Stark was strong which is exactly why he was the primera he put up a good fight against Kyoraku but wasnt able to keep up with Kyorakus swordfighting abilities. And Stark couldnt switch back to his cero guns because to use them properly he needs to use them from a distance and Kyoraku was not giving him enough space to use it.. Hence rushing him rendering his guns useless.

Yea soi fon explosion was huge an happens fast were ass stark cero are fast but make no huge explosion to really reach barrgan..

It doesnt need a huge explosion it just needs to have speed... Lol and Starks ceros do make make a lot of damage, when hit at a large amount.

She turned that way for zaraki if she would have made it out she would have just turned back to nice an sweet...the captains won't caught off guard in none of there fights Yama was the only one they knew they could no use bankai but did it anyway.

Yeah but the fact that she could change so easily means that part of her is still there.
And the captains were caught off guard they were expecting the war in 5 days and then they popped up even quicker. What does Yama have to do with this?

But yea like I said unohana has never been shown to be ordered around by anyone she was jut doing what's best for ss don't matter who's head captain she would have still trained zaraki if asked to and knew it was their last hope.

She was being ordered around... By the captain commanders. Captain commander needs respect and power it is not given to anyone. Yama was probably setting Shunsui up to be the next CC since he was a child or at least knew he was the next to be in line hence having that flashback of Shunsui when he was a kid.

Yea stark defeated them because they wer not fighting at their full power..an everybody is ruthless in a fight an tries to catch there opponent off guard incept zaraki an his squad members..

They were... How can you say they were not fighting at full power when they gave it there all and still got taken out.

No not like Shunsui... Most Shinigami have morals and have a sense of honour, like Renji would not kill a women and Ukitake would not fight kids, but we have seen Shunsui nearly slice wonderweiss in two (who Yama didnt want to fight because he looked like a kid) and Shunsui basically killed lillynette who Ukitake wouldnt have raised his sword against. If it is an important war which the Shinigami have to win Shunsui will use any means necessary to win. Shunsui is ruthless and doesnt care about honour, also we havent seen many captains use tricks and distractions to the extent of Shunsui. Juha Bach also said that the Shinigami became weak because they had things like honour, but with Shunsui as the new CC and doesnt care about honour in a war he is going to harden SS.

Yea I have a feeling byakuya will get stronger or something new just cus he's one of the main characters next to ichigo.

I actually dont see him as a main character, just Rukia Renji Ichigo and his friends maybe even Hitsugaya because we see him a lot.

An no kenpachi will be a killing machine now that he's back to his old self an will show us all what a true fighter fights like.

Yes he will be a terror on the battlefield no doubt about that but I dont see him on the level of Shunsui. To me a true fighter in a battle to the death is Shunsui... Because there are no rules he does what he thinks is neccesary, unlike other people like Zaraki who make up these rules when there really arent like using tricks.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Yes so we know he is more powerful than those he didnt name the top three, so we cant say he thinks he is stronger than them.



Ulquiorra has shown exceptional speed but that is compared to an Ichigo who was shown to be really weak compared to the top captains. Byakuya prides himself on his speed but is the SS arc im pretty sure he couldnt keep up with Yoruichi who hadnt trained in 100 years and was also carrying ichigo. Stark was strong which is exactly why he was the primera he put up a good fight against Kyoraku but wasnt able to keep up with Kyorakus swordfighting abilities. And Stark couldnt switch back to his cero guns because to use them properly he needs to use them from a distance and Kyoraku was not giving him enough space to use it.. Hence rushing him rendering his guns useless.



It doesnt need a huge explosion it just needs to have speed... Lol and Starks ceros do make make a lot of damage, when hit at a large amount.



Yeah but the fact that she could change so easily means that part of her is still there.
And the captains were caught off guard they were expecting the war in 5 days and then they popped up even quicker. What does Yama have to do with this?


She was being ordered around... By the captain commanders. Captain commander needs respect and power it is not given to anyone. Yama was probably setting Shunsui up to be the next CC since he was a child or at least knew he was the next to be in line hence having that flashback of Shunsui when he was a kid.



They were... How can you say they were not fighting at full power when they gave it there all and still got taken out.

No not like Shunsui... Most Shinigami have morals and have a sense of honour, like Renji would not kill a women and Ukitake would not fight kids, but we have seen Shunsui nearly slice wonderweiss in two (who Yama didnt want to fight because he looked like a kid) and Shunsui basically killed lillynette who Ukitake wouldnt have raised his sword against. If it is an important war which the Shinigami have to win Shunsui will use any means necessary to win. Shunsui is ruthless and doesnt care about honour, also we havent seen many captains use tricks and distractions to the extent of Shunsui. Juha Bach also said that the Shinigami became weak because they had things like honour, but with Shunsui as the new CC and doesnt care about honour in a war he is going to harden SS.



I actually dont see him as a main character, just Rukia Renji Ichigo and his friends maybe even Hitsugaya because we see him a lot.



Yes he will be a terror on the battlefield no doubt about that but I dont see him on the level of Shunsui. To me a true fighter in a battle to the death is Shunsui... Because there are no rules he does what he thinks is neccesary, unlike other people like Zaraki who make up these rules when there really arent like using tricks.

Um he said he was the strongest espada meaning he already put him self over every other espada.

Ichigo shown to be weak that don't matter he was shown to be fast an becomes even faster when his mask is on..an yourichi said no one on that bridge could beat byakuya

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.stark was able to keep up with his sword abilities he threw his cape in stark face an then attacked him..an about that color thing kyoraku uses when stark said white an attacked kyoraku he barely seemed hurt by stark attack an they both had on a lot of white but when kyoraku calls black an attacked he kills stark that's why I say don't compare stark to kenpachi cuz kenpachi will not go down off one slash..an yea he could not switch back probly.

Yea stark cero does make an explosion but not close to as big an soi Fon missile does..an his cero have to land to blow up unlike soi fon missile.

She changed cuz that's the unohana zaraki knos an like, she just put on the act for him...she has changed completely..I'm saying thoe they all had a straight up fight an did nothing..Yamamoto was the only one caught of guard an tricked.

Unohana has never been shown being ordered around buy anybody..an yea kyoraku an ukitake wer very close to him so of course one of them will be next up for cc..unohana probly would have got the spot if she was still a blood thirsty killer.

Un if they wer going all out they would have used bankai meaning they wer not going all out...first off winderwiess something that's not even human almost killed his best friend of course he gone try to slice him in half he actually posed a threat where as lillynette was just some kid not really doing nothing kyoraku would have not really hurt her either..kensei or that vizard girl had no problem hitting wonderwiess so what you saying?..if you don't pose as a threat shunsui won't really try an kill you either.an what you mean by shunsui basically killed lillynette? When? Her an stark became one...an shunsui don't like hitting women either an renji was not in a right spot to where he had to kill her so there's was no point in doing so..an ss is weaker than befor because there are weaker captains now then there was 1000 years ago..

We see byakuya a lot aswell he is rukiya's brother he is close to ichigo they fought three times anytime rukiya is in trouble an ichigo not around you can bet byakuya will show up..he went threw a very important fight with ichigo in the first arc he also fought the strongest fullbring person.

Kenpachi faked dead vs noritora an then tried to sneak attack him kenpachi may use tricks aswell if he's having a hard time or do other thing like he does not want to like kendo all captains do what is necessary to win like when soi fon attacked that one arrancar while he was going into his ressorection form shunsui is not the only captain that will do what ever it takes to win.an kenpachi will be better than shunsui when comes battle time due to his massive power unless kyoraku bankai is something out of this world cuz I kno kenpachi shikai will be.

 

[Mugetsu]

Soul King, Ukitake, Kyoraku, Zaraki, and Isshin. Possibly, some Squad Zero members

 

[Maityoman]

Hands down Kenpachi Zaraki

 

[crackpot]

Um he said he was the strongest espada meaning he already put him self over every other espada.

Ichigo shown to be weak that don't matter he was shown to be fast an becomes even faster when his mask is on..an yourichi said no one on that bridge could beat byakuya

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.stark was able to keep up with his sword abilities he threw his cape in stark face an then attacked him..an about that color thing kyoraku uses when stark said white an attacked kyoraku he barely seemed hurt by stark attack an they both had on a lot of white but when kyoraku calls black an attacked he kills stark that's why I say don't compare stark to kenpachi cuz kenpachi will not go down off one slash..an yea he could not switch back probly.

Well yeah because Yoruichi was carrying Ichigo and didnt have a zanpakuto.

And no Stark was complaining about why he had to fight such a strong guy, and Shunsui was the one initiating all the attacks while Stark was the one getting put under pressure. A person who is stronger wouldnt complain about fighting a weaker opponent.

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When Stark called white he only nicked him with the tip of his sword and caused a huge wound with heaps of blood

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The difference in the size of wound tells it all what should have been small caused a huge wound and when Shunsui was giving Stark hints what should have been a large hit became a small cut. The black caused heaps of damage and is very dangerous it will cause heaps of damage even to Zaraki who has good durability.

Yea stark cero does make an explosion but not close to as big an soi Fon missile does..an his cero have to land to blow up unlike soi fon missile.

But it has speed one thing Soifons bankai doesnt have and amazing speed at that. Stark will simply barrage all of the cero till Barragan gets hit.

She changed cuz that's the unohana zaraki knos an like, she just put on the act for him...she has changed completely..I'm saying thoe they all had a straight up fight an did nothing..Yamamoto was the only one caught of guard an tricked.

It is not an act she was like that all the time and she showed hints of it throughout the manga when she has that scary look that gives Ichigo the creeps. Im not saying the Shinigami were tricked but they were not expecting a full on battlefield in which the SR had planned while the Shinigami were uncoordinated with their attacks.

Unohana has never been shown being ordered around buy anybody..an yea kyoraku an ukitake wer very close to him so of course one of them will be next up for cc..unohana probly would have got the spot if she was still a blood thirsty killer.

Then why does she follow the CCs orders? that means she is being ordered what to do.

Shunsui was chosen to be CC because of his shrewd calculating mind, his power and the respect he garners from the other Shinigami. Have you noticed that Ichigo calls him Shunsui "San" which is an honorific and then he calls Yama "Old Man".... No she wouldnt have tell me why she would be a leader if she was a bloodthirsty killer please?

Un if they wer going all out they would have used bankai meaning they wer not going all out...first off winderwiess something that's not even human almost killed his best friend of course he gone try to slice him in half he actually posed a threat where as lillynette was just some kid not really doing nothing kyoraku would have not really hurt her either

If they werent going all out then Shunsui wasnt going all out..... But they were going all out in shikai as was Shunsui and Love and Rose still got defeated.. They were gonna get killed.
Look at the expression Shunsui gives he doesnt care whether Wonderweiss is a kid or not when Yama didnt want to fight him while he was in his base form.

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kensei or that vizard girl had no problem hitting wonderwiess so what you saying?..if you don't pose as a threat shunsui won't really try an kill you either.an what you mean by shunsui basically killed lillynette? When? Her an stark became one...an shunsui don't like hitting women either an renji was not in a right spot to where he had to kill her so there's was no point in doing so..an ss is weaker than befor because there are weaker captains now then there was 1000 years ago..

When Shunsui stabbed Stark, Stark said he was alone meaning Lillynette had died, in a roundabout way Shunsui did.
That is true that Kensei and Mashiro did attack Wonderweiss but I was saying as a whole Shinigami have their own moral codes and ethics and Shunsui when in a war doesnt seem to have any hence being able to stab people in the back and use distraction evasion tactics in fights, which Shinigami normally pride themselves on fighting head on.

We see byakuya a lot aswell he is rukiya's brother he is close to ichigo they fought three times anytime rukiya is in trouble an ichigo not around you can bet byakuya will show up..he went threw a very important fight with ichigo in the first arc he also fought the strongest fullbring person.

I think Kubo uses him a lot for fanservice really because in japan he is really popular, he is only important through Rukia. Much like Hitsugaya but I do like Byakuya a lot more than Hitsugaya because Hitsugaya isnt a really interesting character.

Kenpachi faked dead vs noritora an then tried to sneak attack him kenpachi may use tricks aswell if he's having a hard time or do other thing like he does not want to like kendo all captains do what is necessary to win like when soi fon attacked that one arrancar while he was going into his ressorection form shunsui is not the only captain that will do what ever it takes to win.an kenpachi will be better than shunsui when comes battle time due to his massive power unless kyoraku bankai is something out of this world cuz I kno kenpachi shikai will be.

Yes they use tactics when they are about to die... Shunsui uses it straight away.. See what im getting at they only use tactics and thinking when they are in a tough situation but Shunsui uses his tricks straight away meaning his fighting style is more unique and dangerous.

I think Shunsui is more than enough for Kenpachi and I do think Shunsuis bankai will be extremely hax as he couldnt use it with so many people around.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Well yeah because Yoruichi was carrying Ichigo and didnt have a zanpakuto.

And no Stark was complaining about why he had to fight such a strong guy, and Shunsui was the one initiating all the attacks while Stark was the one getting put under pressure. A person who is stronger wouldnt complain about fighting a weaker opponent.

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When Stark called white he only nicked him with the tip of his sword and caused a huge wound with heaps of blood

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The difference in the size of wound tells it all what should have been small caused a huge wound and when Shunsui was giving Stark hints what should have been a large hit became a small cut. The black caused heaps of damage and is very dangerous it will cause heaps of damage even to Zaraki who has good durability.



But it has speed one thing Soifons bankai doesnt have and amazing speed at that. Stark will simply barrage all of the cero till Barragan gets hit.



It is not an act she was like that all the time and she showed hints of it throughout the manga when she has that scary look that gives Ichigo the creeps. Im not saying the Shinigami were tricked but they were not expecting a full on battlefield in which the SR had planned while the Shinigami were uncoordinated with their attacks.



Then why does she follow the CCs orders? that means she is being ordered what to do.

Shunsui was chosen to be CC because of his shrewd calculating mind, his power and the respect he garners from the other Shinigami. Have you noticed that Ichigo calls him Shunsui "San" which is an honorific and then he calls Yama "Old Man".... No she wouldnt have tell me why she would be a leader if she was a bloodthirsty killer please?



If they werent going all out then Shunsui wasnt going all out..... But they were going all out in shikai as was Shunsui and Love and Rose still got defeated.. They were gonna get killed.
Look at the expression Shunsui gives he doesnt care whether Wonderweiss is a kid or not when Yama didnt want to fight him while he was in his base form.

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When Shunsui stabbed Stark, Stark said he was alone meaning Lillynette had died, in a roundabout way Shunsui did.
That is true that Kensei and Mashiro did attack Wonderweiss but I was saying as a whole Shinigami have their own moral codes and ethics and Shunsui when in a war doesnt seem to have any hence being able to stab people in the back and use distraction evasion tactics in fights, which Shinigami normally pride themselves on fighting head on.



I think Kubo uses him a lot for fanservice really because in japan he is really popular, he is only important through Rukia. Much like Hitsugaya but I do like Byakuya a lot more than Hitsugaya because Hitsugaya isnt a really interesting character.



Yes they use tactics when they are about to die... Shunsui uses it straight away.. See what im getting at they only use tactics and thinking when they are in a tough situation but Shunsui uses his tricks straight away meaning his fighting style is more unique and dangerous.

I think Shunsui is more than enough for Kenpachi and I do think Shunsuis bankai will be extremely hax as he couldnt use it with so many people around.

No it was because she could not beat him period.

If kyoraku would have never threw his cape in stark face he would have never got off that last hit...he did not nick him he slashed him..an in order to use the color thing you have to cut the person witch kyoraku will have a very hard time doing all he will get is little nicks.

Lol soi fon missile don't have speed? Yea it does..stark can let out all his cero barrgan will just let out more of his death breath..soi fon missile missed twice and the second time it was super close ranges inside a closed space an he still survived an was able to age it stark cero are not getting close to him.

Thoes little mad moments mean what? If she did not change she would have tried to fight aizen or somebody instead of letting them slide..soul reapers are always ready for battle they fought back an they lost.

She was never shown being ordered around the kenpachi thing is something she has to do its like their only chance for survival if the quinces attack again..naw shunsui was chosen cuz he's close to Yamamoto an hes been captian for a while ..i believe he calls unohana,unohana San aswell..in saying if she walked around lookin like her old self an did not give up on fighting she most likely would have became cc.

Of course shunsui was not going all out he was not useing bankai yea they got defeated because stark used the wolves on them but did not use them on kyoraku..an like I said wonderwiess is not a human an he just took out kyoraku best friend of course he's not going to have a problem cutting him down he was mad and could not keep calm an got shot down

In battle shunsui like to give his opponents hints about all his techniques..every soul reaper will try an cut down wonderweiss if they see he is actually an strong opponent I kno soi fon an byakuya would have no problem cutting down winderwiess..if a soul reaper has a distraction they will use it but they never seem to have any.

Byakuya is one if the captains that fight the most..the main people that ichigo care for in ss were the ones that cut down an survived.

They all use tactics they just see what they opponent can do befor planing anything..yea his bankai may be hax but zaraki is one of the most strongest kenpachi's he killed the last kenpachi for his spot without a shikai or bankai or his true fighting abilities an his spiritual pressure is to me the most powerful in ss he just never lived up to it cuz he was always holding back kyoraku can't beat him he's ss best chance of surviving another invasion.

 

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No it was because she could not beat him period.

If kyoraku would have never threw his cape in stark face he would have never got off that last hit...he did not nick him he slashed him..an in order to use the color thing you have to cut the person witch kyoraku will have a very hard time doing all he will get is little nicks.

Then why was Stark getting overwhelmed? Stark was constantly getting pushed back by Kyoraku and couldnt keep up, And using distractions and diversions is part of kyorakus fighting style which is why he is so dangerous.... There is no such thing as "cheating" in a fight to the death. People like Zaraki who are straight forward will lose to someone with a shrewd mind like Shunsui who will strike at every opening he sees.

And please dont over-estimate Zarakis speed and reactions because Shunsui has shown far better... He dodges point blank ceros and quincy shots and was able to counter so easily it was amazing. Shunsui didnt even look like he was trying and he nearly sliced the OMQ in 2.

Look at his skill.. OMQ rushed to catch Shunsui off guard Shunsui dodges effortlessly knocks him over and proceeds to slice him up while OMQ is in a vulnerable position then to save himself uses his strongest technique which makes his speed increase significantly (From what we have seen) and only gets a shot in the eye which Shunsui doesnt even look fazed about saying "Yeah... This is bad" while smiling..... Shunsui will get a lot more than just nicks in he will hit Zaraki a lot.

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Lol soi fon missile don't have speed? Yea it does..stark can let out all his cero barrgan will just let out more of his death breath..soi fon missile missed twice and the second time it was super close ranges inside a closed space an he still survived an was able to age it stark cero are not getting close to him.

Yeah it doesnt have attack speed lol... It is a one hit thing and she needs a lot of time to recharge. Stark just barrages faster than Barragans ability, because we know he cant protect himself when it comes too quickly and that is exactly what Stark has... Attack speed.

Thoes little mad moments mean what? If she did not change she would have tried to fight aizen or somebody instead of letting them slide..soul reapers are always ready for battle they fought back an they lost.

She was never shown being ordered around the kenpachi thing is something she has to do its like their only chance for survival if the quinces attack again..naw shunsui was chosen cuz he's close to Yamamoto an hes been captian for a while ..i believe he calls unohana,unohana San aswell..in saying if she walked around lookin like her old self an did not give up on fighting she most likely would have became cc.

Then why did Shunsui order her to put her life on the line? Or why did she follow Yamas orders to go to set up a medic camp in Rukongai in the Turning back the pendulum arc?

It is not their only chance for survival.. Lol when did you get that impression...... Shunsui just said that his power is important but didnt say he was their last hope haha.

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Shunsui has proven himself to be a top tier captain, with amazing tactical ability and being able to read his opponents (Shown in his fight against stark by being able to memorize patterns in his fighting ability and react accordingly), he even has the respect from Yama that when Kyoraku says something Yama will listen and take his advice (TBTP arc when he advised Yama to let Lisa go on the mission instead of Tessai), He has the been said to have the best ability to read someones true character by Yama (Something only the best leaders possess), And has been shown to be decisive and ruthless at the same time (Shown by sacrificing Unohana his own senpai for the better of SS).

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Trust me he hasnt been chosen because he was a favourite of Yamas.

Yes but what has Shunsui done to Ichigo to gain his respect? Nothing Unohana has healed Ichigo and his friends many times but Shunsui has had narely any interaction with Ichigo. Unohana would not have become CC she isnt charismatic or hasnt shown as many qualities of a CC to me at all, youre just saying silly things haha.

Of course shunsui was not going all out he was not useing bankai yea they got defeated because stark used the wolves on them but did not use them on kyoraku..an like I said wonderwiess is not a human an he just took out kyoraku best friend of course he's not going to have a problem cutting him down he was mad and could not keep calm an got shot down

And because Stark couldnt use the wolves because of the fact that Shunsui was fighting Stark in a smart way by not giving him space to use his abilities hence defeating the primera.
But wonderweiss still looks like a child and I bet Ukitake wouldnt have tried to slash at Kyoraku in any way if the opponent looked like a child. Yes he was mad and gave an opening but it still doesnt dissaprove the fact that he would have slashed a child from behind regardless.

In battle shunsui like to give his opponents hints about all his techniques..every soul reaper will try an cut down wonderweiss if they see he is actually an strong opponent I kno soi fon an byakuya would have no problem cutting down winderwiess..if a soul reaper has a distraction they will use it but they never seem to have any.

Yes and if he didnt tell them I reckon the fight would be unfair which is why Shunsui lets them know what they are in for, I think Shunsui would like the opponents to have a fair chance at fighting for their lives.
Soi fon definitely Byakuya I dont know.
But the Shinigami dont create the distraction like Shunsui. Shunsui for me is the only fighter to me that fights like this tell me another Shinigami that creates distractions and utilises it for a next deadly attack.

Byakuya is one if the captains that fight the most..the main people that ichigo care for in ss were the ones that cut down an survived.

Yes we see his fights a lot because of his close relationship with Rukia who in turn has a close relationship with Ichigo the main character. And because he is a bishie girls love him and he gains popularity which I dont really care about but Kubo makes use of the characters which fans especially like which is good for sales.

They all use tactics they just see what they opponent can do befor planing anything..yea his bankai may be hax but zaraki is one of the most strongest kenpachi's he killed the last kenpachi for his spot without a shikai or bankai or his true fighting abilities an his spiritual pressure is to me the most powerful in ss he just never lived up to it cuz he was always holding back kyoraku can't beat him he's ss best chance of surviving another invasion.

No most of them use tactics when raw power isnt enough.... Zaraki used his true fighting abilities when he killed Unohana because they were unlocked and it seemed Unohana wanted to die by his blade.

Yama has shown the best spiritual pressure and even though Zaraki held back before Shunsui has the shikai and power to defeat him of that i am pretty positive of at the moment.

 

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Then why was Stark getting overwhelmed? Stark was constantly getting pushed back by Kyoraku and couldnt keep up, And using distractions and diversions is part of kyorakus fighting style which is why he is so dangerous.... There is no such thing as "cheating" in a fight to the death. People like Zaraki who are straight forward will lose to someone with a shrewd mind like Shunsui who will strike at every opening he sees.

And please dont over-estimate Zarakis speed and reactions because Shunsui has shown far better... He dodges point blank ceros and quincy shots and was able to counter so easily it was amazing. Shunsui didnt even look like he was trying and he nearly sliced the OMQ in 2.

Look at his skill.. OMQ rushed to catch Shunsui off guard Shunsui dodges effortlessly knocks him over and proceeds to slice him up while OMQ is in a vulnerable position then to save himself uses his strongest technique which makes his speed increase significantly (From what we have seen) and only gets a shot in the eye which Shunsui doesnt even look fazed about saying "Yeah... This is bad" while smiling..... Shunsui will get a lot more than just nicks in he will hit Zaraki a lot.

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Yeah it doesnt have attack speed lol... It is a one hit thing and she needs a lot of time to recharge. Stark just barrages faster than Barragans ability, because we know he cant protect himself when it comes too quickly and that is exactly what Stark has... Attack speed.






Then why did Shunsui order her to put her life on the line? Or why did she follow Yamas orders to go to set up a medic camp in Rukongai in the Turning back the pendulum arc?

It is not their only chance for survival.. Lol when did you get that impression...... Shunsui just said that his power is important but didnt say he was their last hope haha.

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Shunsui has proven himself to be a top tier captain, with amazing tactical ability and being able to read his opponents (Shown in his fight against stark by being able to memorize patterns in his fighting ability and react accordingly), he even has the respect from Yama that when Kyoraku says something Yama will listen and take his advice (TBTP arc when he advised Yama to let Lisa go on the mission instead of Tessai), He has the been said to have the best ability to read someones true character by Yama (Something only the best leaders possess), And has been shown to be decisive and ruthless at the same time (Shown by sacrificing Unohana his own senpai for the better of SS).

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Trust me he hasnt been chosen because he was a favourite of Yamas.

Yes but what has Shunsui done to Ichigo to gain his respect? Nothing Unohana has healed Ichigo and his friends many times but Shunsui has had narely any interaction with Ichigo. Unohana would not have become CC she isnt charismatic or hasnt shown as many qualities of a CC to me at all, youre just saying silly things haha.



And because Stark couldnt use the wolves because of the fact that Shunsui was fighting Stark in a smart way by not giving him space to use his abilities hence defeating the primera.
But wonderweiss still looks like a child and I bet Ukitake wouldnt have tried to slash at Kyoraku in any way if the opponent looked like a child. Yes he was mad and gave an opening but it still doesnt dissaprove the fact that he would have slashed a child from behind regardless.



Yes and if he didnt tell them I reckon the fight would be unfair which is why Shunsui lets them know what they are in for, I think Shunsui would like the opponents to have a fair chance at fighting for their lives.
Soi fon definitely Byakuya I dont know.
But the Shinigami dont create the distraction like Shunsui. Shunsui for me is the only fighter to me that fights like this tell me another Shinigami that creates distractions and utilises it for a next deadly attack.



Yes we see his fights a lot because of his close relationship with Rukia who in turn has a close relationship with Ichigo the main character. And because he is a bishie girls love him and he gains popularity which I dont really care about but Kubo makes use of the characters which fans especially like which is good for sales.



No most of them use tactics when raw power isnt enough.... Zaraki used his true fighting abilities when he killed Unohana because they were unlocked and it seemed Unohana wanted to die by his blade.

Yama has shown the best spiritual pressure and even though Zaraki held back before Shunsui has the shikai and power to defeat him of that i am pretty positive of at the moment.

Stark was keeping up kyoraku won't even really hitting him if not for his cape they would still be fighting stark had his hole shikai down pact he knew how it worked..yea zaraki is straight forward you can't say kyoraku will hit him thoe kenpachi fighting ability is way to good for that...zaraki speed an reactions is very good I think ur referring back to the old kenpachi unohana who was like the best sword fighter ever was no match for him smh zaraki is just to nice..that Omq guy is a joke compared to zaraki right now don't even bring him up no more...an so what if kyoraku almost cut him in half almost don't count an in the end he did nothing one cut is nothing they have Blount vene.

Her missile does have speed but it has a huge explosion..barrgan ability is surrounding him he can let it out anytime at any moment stark cant barrage faster than barrgan ability, all his cero will be aged his ability was just to good only his power could beat him really unless you wer aizen or somebody super strong.

She had to do the zaraki thing inorder for ss to stay alive she would have done that no matter what..she set up a camp ok I guess that's an order she followed....like I've said befor central 46 knos his real power they said in that manga scan if he gets any stronger it will be impossible to stop him if he goes against ss shunsui said then "what should we do" he's talking as if it is there last hope he never said anything about stoping zaraki if he did go against ss cuz he knows he can't..an kyoraku can have all that tactics an stuff in the end he will be overpowered simple as that he will have a very hard time trying to cut kenpachi VERY HARD.

Shunsui was chosen because he was the strongest next to Yama mabey even stronger than unohana an he was very close to Yama that's that.. But now he is no longer the strongest.

Stark could have made an opening for the wolves if he wanted to that first stab by kyoraku is what probly made them go away..an just like kyoraku,ukitake would have tried to cut wonderweiss down if he took kyoraku out plain an simple they are best friends.

I thought shunsui was the type not to be fair in a fight but now he's fair all of a sudden?..an o yea byakuya defiantly would cut wonderwiess down even more a defiantly if he attacked rukiya...byakuya also fights smart useing kido to create openings unless he's in bankai then he will just use bankai.hes just smart he cut up the ground so if the Quincy moved it would cave in an what he did to tsukishima.. Or when he fought the Espada guy in there speed battle..an kyoraku did not even use that many distraction while fighting stark..most his good ones came form other people anyway.

So in the end byakuya is important. An should be alive he may die later on if he does die while fighting the Quincy while useing his own power this time ill be fine with that.

Everybody use tactic when raw power is not enough kyoraku was never going to cut stark in a straight up sword fight so he threw his hat in stark face but that did not work he was having a very hard time trying to cut stark down in his shikai form so he used his cape so he could get a clean hit...yea she wanted to die by his blade she would have been died by his blade long ago but he locked his power away.

I meant he has the best spiritual pressure right now yama's was above his because Yama had a bankai..their was a reason why Yama feared his power only trained the guy one day an said no more just one day...zaraki was holding a lot back befor shunsui shikai has no chance of working on zaraki he has to use bankai as soon as the fight start if they wer to fight each other.an that's just going off zaraki sword fighting no shikai.

 

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Stark was keeping up kyoraku won't even really hitting him if not for his cape they would still be fighting stark had his hole shikai down pact he knew how it worked..yea zaraki is straight forward you can't say kyoraku will hit him thoe kenpachi fighting ability is way to good for that...zaraki speed an reactions is very good I think ur referring back to the old kenpachi unohana who was like the best sword fighter ever was no match for him smh zaraki is just to nice..that Omq guy is a joke compared to zaraki right now don't even bring him up no more...an so what if kyoraku almost cut him in half almost don't count an in the end he did nothing one cut is nothing they have Blount vene.

No not really Shunsui was doing all the attacking and Stark was under pressure on the defensive that means he wasnt keeping up with Shunsui... And so what Shunsui used his cloak for a distraction there is no such thing as cheating in a fight to the death which has no rules in the first place.

No you cant say Zaraki will dodge them because Shunsuis fighting ability is too good for that. Unohana is a good swordfighter but how can you say that Zarakis reactions and speed is better than Shunsuis when Shunsui has shown waay better... Zaraki is just a brute with a blade and his character is so boring I wouldve rather seen Zaraki die and Unohana live she is so much more dynamic in character while Zaraki is just i wanna fight!

Why is the OMQ a joke? all the quincies were apparently supposed to be stronger than captains while Shunsui had shown to be easily stronger than. Blut Vene is not a problem for Shunsui as we see OMQ bleeding out like nothing in the first page of chapter 506.

Please dont disregard feats saying it is a joke you are just being ignorant when saying that.

Her missile does have speed but it has a huge explosion..barrgan ability is surrounding him he can let it out anytime at any moment stark cant barrage faster than barrgan ability, all his cero will be aged his ability was just to good only his power could beat him really unless you wer aizen or somebody super strong.

Yes and the only way they could hit him with a huge explosion was make a ridiculous barrier around him. I have seen more than enough proof that Stark could barrage faster than Barragans ability it is bigger and faster than Barragans ability.

She had to do the zaraki thing inorder for ss to stay alive she would have done that no matter what..she set up a camp ok I guess that's an order she followed....like I've said befor central 46 knos his real power they said in that manga scan if he gets any stronger it will be impossible to stop him if he goes against ss shunsui said then "what should we do" he's talking as if it is there last hope he never said anything about stoping zaraki if he did go against ss cuz he knows he can't..an kyoraku can have all that tactics an stuff in the end he will be overpowered simple as that he will have a very hard time trying to cut kenpachi VERY HARD.

Zaraki is not the last hope for SS he is important for power.

And Shunsui gave her an order and she followed look:

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Yes he said what should we do because Zaraki will be strong and cause a lot of hassle because he is strong without bankai one thing the captains need to fight against the quincies. Zaraki is not going to run onto the battle field and take out every quincy he sees. And maybe he never said anything about stopping him because Shunsui will still be stronger.

Tactics and brains mixed with awesome fighting technique and ability are two things that will cause Zarakis loss. It will be hard for Zaraki to kill Shunsui VERY HARD.

Shunsui was chosen because he was the strongest next to Yama mabey even stronger than unohana an he was very close to Yama that's that.. But now he is no longer the strongest.

I seriously dont think Zaraki is the strongest second probably but I think Shinji would also be a strong candidate for second.

Stark could have made an opening for the wolves if he wanted to that first stab by kyoraku is what probly made them go away..an just like kyoraku,ukitake would have tried to cut wonderweiss down if he took kyoraku out plain an simple they are best friends.

How could Stark have made an opening with the wolves close range when they do a lot of destructive damage? and when Shunsui was rushing Stark every time he tried to make space?

Ukitake likes children too much to be able to do anything to them. Ukitake is way too kind to try and kill a kid. If it was an adult then definitely but a child I dont think so.

I thought shunsui was the type not to be fair in a fight but now he's fair all of a sudden?..an o yea byakuya defiantly would cut wonderwiess down even more a defiantly if he attacked rukiya...byakuya also fights smart useing kido to create openings unless he's in bankai then he will just use bankai.hes just smart he cut up the ground so if the Quincy moved it would cave in an what he did to tsukishima.. Or when he fought the Espada guy in there speed battle..an kyoraku did not even use that many distraction while fighting stark..most his good ones came form other people anyway.

Shunsui still has respect for his opponents as seen when talking to them by calling them "Espada San" or "Quincy San" and understands that it is a fight to the death so he would give them a chance in fighting for their lives. And dont be under the impression he is not fighting fair there is no such thing as a fair fight in the fight to the death... The winner lives the loser dies nothing else.

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So in the end byakuya is important. An should be alive he may die later on if he does die while fighting the Quincy while useing his own power this time ill be fine with that.

Lol I wont say he should be alive Kubo should have killed him if he put that much effort into making him look like he died. But I think he is keeping him alive for renjis growth to surpass him.

Everybody use tactic when raw power is not enough kyoraku was never going to cut stark in a straight up sword fight so he threw his hat in stark face but that did not work he was having a very hard time trying to cut stark down in his shikai form so he used his cape so he could get a clean hit...yea she wanted to die by his blade she would have been died by his blade long ago but he locked his power away.

He could cut stark in a straight up sword fight though... as seen when he passed through Starks defenses easily and cut him on the arm which should have been a strong attack but dulled it down by calling 'grey'. Stark was under pressure the whole time and even if Shunsui didnt use his cape still would have gotten him eventually... Shunsui just used the cape to end the fight quicker.
Yep she locked his power away.

I meant he has the best spiritual pressure right now yama's was above his because Yama had a bankai..their was a reason why Yama feared his power only trained the guy one day an said no more just one day...zaraki was holding a lot back befor shunsui shikai has no chance of working on zaraki he has to use bankai as soon as the fight start if they wer to fight each other.an that's just going off zaraki sword fighting no shikai.

And yama also had the strongest fire type zan in the last 1000 years, not just because he had bankai. Yama feared his power because Zaraki would cause a revolt due to him wanting to fight stronger people because he is strong.
Shunsuis shikai alters reality by making the opponent fight under his rules, his shikai is extremely powerful when in the right hands and it is definitely in the right hands with Shunsui. Lol and Zaraki will get killed easily if he fought Shunsui while having no Shikai. Zaraki has doesnt even have a slither of winning without shikai... And I dont even know what Unohanas bankai did they both turned into skeletons and returned back to normal after fighting a bit?

 

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No not really Shunsui was doing all the attacking and Stark was under pressure on the defensive that means he wasnt keeping up with Shunsui... And so what Shunsui used his cloak for a distraction there is no such thing as cheating in a fight to the death which has no rules in the first place.

No you cant say Zaraki will dodge them because Shunsuis fighting ability is too good for that. Unohana is a good swordfighter but how can you say that Zarakis reactions and speed is better than Shunsuis when Shunsui has shown waay better... Zaraki is just a brute with a blade and his character is so boring I wouldve rather seen Zaraki die and Unohana live she is so much more dynamic in character while Zaraki is just i wanna fight!

Why is the OMQ a joke? all the quincies were apparently supposed to be stronger than captains while Shunsui had shown to be easily stronger than. Blut Vene is not a problem for Shunsui as we see OMQ bleeding out like nothing in the first page of chapter 506.

Please dont disregard feats saying it is a joke you are just being ignorant when saying that.



Yes and the only way they could hit him with a huge explosion was make a ridiculous barrier around him. I have seen more than enough proof that Stark could barrage faster than Barragans ability it is bigger and faster than Barragans ability.

She had to do the zaraki thing inorder for ss to stay alive she would have done that no matter what..she set up a camp ok I guess that's an order she followed....like I've said befor central 46 knos his real power they said in that manga scan if he gets any stronger it will be impossible to stop him if he goes against ss shunsui said then "what should we do" he's talking as if it is there last hope he never said anything about stoping zaraki if he did go against ss cuz he knows he can't..an kyoraku can have all that tactics an stuff in the end he will be overpowered simple as that he will have a very hard time trying to cut kenpachi VERY HARD.

Zaraki is not the last hope for SS he is important for power.

And Shunsui gave her an order and she followed look:

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Yes he said what should we do because Zaraki will be strong and cause a lot of hassle because he is strong without bankai one thing the captains need to fight against the quincies. Zaraki is not going to run onto the battle field and take out every quincy he sees. And maybe he never said anything about stopping him because Shunsui will still be stronger.

Tactics and brains mixed with awesome fighting technique and ability are two things that will cause Zarakis loss. It will be hard for Zaraki to kill Shunsui VERY HARD.



I seriously dont think Zaraki is the strongest second probably but I think Shinji would also be a strong candidate for second.



How could Stark have made an opening with the wolves close range when they do a lot of destructive damage? and when Shunsui was rushing Stark every time he tried to make space?

Ukitake likes children too much to be able to do anything to them. Ukitake is way too kind to try and kill a kid. If it was an adult then definitely but a child I dont think so.



Shunsui still has respect for his opponents as seen when talking to them by calling them "Espada San" or "Quincy San" and understands that it is a fight to the death so he would give them a chance in fighting for their lives. And dont be under the impression he is not fighting fair there is no such thing as a fair fight in the fight to the death... The winner lives the loser dies nothing else.

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Lol I wont say he should be alive Kubo should have killed him if he put that much effort into making him look like he died. But I think he is keeping him alive for renjis growth to surpass him.



He could cut stark in a straight up sword fight though... as seen when he passed through Starks defenses easily and cut him on the arm which should have been a strong attack but dulled it down by calling 'grey'. Stark was under pressure the whole time and even if Shunsui didnt use his cape still would have gotten him eventually... Shunsui just used the cape to end the fight quicker.
Yep she locked his power away.



And yama also had the strongest fire type zan in the last 1000 years, not just because he had bankai. Yama feared his power because Zaraki would cause a revolt due to him wanting to fight stronger people because he is strong.
Shunsuis shikai alters reality by making the opponent fight under his rules, his shikai is extremely powerful when in the right hands and it is definitely in the right hands with Shunsui. Lol and Zaraki will get killed easily if he fought Shunsui while having no Shikai. Zaraki has doesnt even have a slither of winning without shikai... And I dont even know what Unohanas bankai did they both turned into skeletons and returned back to normal after fighting a bit?

I'm not saying shunsui cheated I'm just saying his sword fighting alone was not really getting him anywhere stark was keeping up on defense real good if you asked me all shunsui shikai abilities won't landing really until he use distractions.

Lol shunsui fights way to good lol zaraki fights way better yea he will barely hit zaraki,unohana was like there best sword fighter she knew every sword fighting style way befor kyoraku did she taught him the one that taught kyoraku was no where near zaraki in sword fighting..I say he will dodge them all because he left unohana no openings an sword fighting is her specialty..kyoraku shown better reaction speed yea he has compared to a zaraki that was weak..zaraki makes the show interesting.

I said the omq is a joke compared to zaraki right now..an no the Quincy are not stringer than the captains really its just they can't use bankai..shunsui easily stronger than who did not look like he was stronger than omq he will need more than just his shikai that one cut was nothing.

Thoes cero won't make it man an that's simple facts soi fon missile made a huge explosion at close range an the fact he aged it in time was ridiculous.

Yea an like I said befor he Is really their last hope if the Quincy attack again unless zero squad jumps in an if he gets bankai I don't kno what's going to happen lord have mercy..kenpachi power is just to great.

Yea it was to go to that place that's the only place zaraki can swing his sword freely with out tearing every thing apart can't have him swinging his sword around in ss...naw he said then what should we do cuz if he don't get this power the Quincy will run over us once again..zaraki opponent will be a very strong Quincy ether juha or the white haired guy or if they got some other strong one we don't kno bout all thoes weak ones we seen fighting won't stand a chance..an naw shunsui said nothing cuz he can't stop him central 46 would have said you better stop him but no they kno if Yama feared his power what could shunsui do.

Yea he gone need all the tactics an brain he can use cuz zaraki gone rip threw him thoes tactics he used for stark wont work for kenpachi as unohana said he leaves no openings.

Yea shinji is strong he really has a hax shikai..I also put him over kyoraku an mabey.kenpachi cuz his sword also control ur senses ...I'm just waiting to see kenpachi shikai that's all..kyoraku is strong but his shikai was nothing to amazing its good thoe.

If he wanted an opening he would have made one but there was no reason to sence his wolves wer gone..if its a un human kid an it put a hole in kyoraku ukitake would react the same way kyoraku did..

Don't matter in a fight to the death ur not supposed to give someone a chance to win no hints no nothing..most of thoes distractions came from other people being around other two are from his hat an cape.

Renji shall never surpass the almighty one he just might who knows.

Naw he could not really get close to stark an cut him plus he was just greatly wounded by kyoraku sneak attack if stark is at his peak kyoraku won't be able to cut him in a sword fight really...if not for the cape it would have to much longer to beat stark cuz his shikai worked for stark aswell.

Zaraki is always looking for strong people to fights what's the difference?..Yama feared it because he may become to strong....lol shunsui rules are used against him aswell so what you saying an for you to say zaraki has no chance without his shikai is just beyond stupid loo he will get killed easily? this has gone to far lol he is the best sword fighter in ss right now kyoraku will be lucky to stand a chance against his great sword fighting skills kenpachi will catch on to his shikai an dodge accordingly he thinks when he needs to..yea her bankai is still unknown.

 

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I'm not saying shunsui cheated I'm just saying his sword fighting alone was not really getting him anywhere stark was keeping up on defense real good if you asked me all shunsui shikai abilities won't landing really until he use distractions.

Read the fight and you will see that Stark is constantly under pressure from Shunsui.. If Stark was keeping his defense up real good why would he fall for the distraction? Shunsuis fighting style is deceptive and part of his abilities if you cant accept that then you cant see Shunsuis prowess.

Lol shunsui fights way to good lol zaraki fights way better yea he will barely hit zaraki,unohana was like there best sword fighter she knew every sword fighting style way befor kyoraku did she taught him the one that taught kyoraku was no where near zaraki in sword fighting..I say he will dodge them all because he left unohana no openings an sword fighting is her specialty..kyoraku shown better reaction speed yea he has compared to a zaraki that was weak..zaraki makes the show interesting.

Shunsuis fighting style is way too dangerous for Zaraki because of the fact that Zaraki doesnt think about his opponents ability while Shunsui is always analyzing and looking for weak spots. Yes Unohana was the best swordfighter but that obviously doesnt mean anything because of the fact that she was beaten by a fighter who fights without any sort of style that just makes me look at her in a weaker light... He left Unohana a lot of openings and she took advantage of them and by the end of the fight when she had given him all of his powers she had basically left herself for dead and didnt fight back

I said the omq is a joke compared to zaraki right now..an no the Quincy are not stringer than the captains really its just they can't use bankai..shunsui easily stronger than who did not look like he was stronger than omq he will need more than just his shikai that one cut was nothing.

No he is not and the quincy is still a large threat which is why the Shinigami are preparing for the next war...The quincy are stronger than the captains which is why most of the captains were defeated without the quincy even using their vollstandig (Except Shunsui.. OMQ was the only Sternritter that had to use Vollstandig against a captain using shikai) The quincy are right now definitely stronger than most of the captains. That one cut wasnt nothing look at the blood pouring out of his stomach and Shunsui was definitely the one with the power at that moment. Shunsui obviously didnt need shikai at the time because he was overpowering the OMQ.

Thoes cero won't make it man an that's simple facts soi fon missile made a huge explosion at close range an the fact he aged it in time was ridiculous.

He did get hit though half his face was blown up. And the explosion only lasts for like a second... Starks cero mettrallata will keep coming at Barragan till he gets hit and at a large number at a fast pace.. This is why Barragan will get hit.

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Yea an like I said befor he Is really their last hope if the Quincy attack again unless zero squad jumps in an if he gets bankai I don't kno what's going to happen lord have mercy..kenpachi power is just to great.

Shunsui only says his power is important to increase because they need all the firepower they need, but Zaraki is not gonna be the game changer in this war Ichigo is Zaraki will just be good power. Ichigos power is too great.

Yea it was to go to that place that's the only place zaraki can swing his sword freely with out tearing every thing apart can't have him swinging his sword around in ss...naw he said then what should we do cuz if he don't get this power the Quincy will run over us once again..zaraki opponent will be a very strong Quincy ether juha or the white haired guy or if they got some other strong one we don't kno bout all thoes weak ones we seen fighting won't stand a chance..an naw shunsui said nothing cuz he can't stop him central 46 would have said you better stop him but no they kno if Yama feared his power what could shunsui do.

Yes and Shunsui was the one that ordered Unohana too train Zaraki she wouldnt have done it if Shunsui hadnt told her too. And she also needed his permission. He didnt say that they would definitely get run over again but he did say that his power is important and without a doubt the rest of the other captains will be increasing their strength to fight against the quincies. And Zarakis opponent will definitely not be Juha he will fight Ichigo and Ichigo will win, and how do you know who everyone is gonna fight? Zaraki might just fight fodder lol.. And Yama feared his Zarakis reckless nature and because of the fact that he could turn against SS which is why he stopped training him... Zarakis power is also dangerous but it is his state of mind and Yama didnt fear Zaraki lol where did you get that? He just feared for SS safety not of his actual power because Yama would destroy Zaraki in shikai haha..... And Shunsui could do a lot because he could withstand a fight against Yama when Yama was trying to kill him while with a very ill Ukitake and cant fight to his full capabilities.

Yea he gone need all the tactics an brain he can use cuz zaraki gone rip threw him thoes tactics he used for stark wont work for kenpachi as unohana said he leaves no openings.

Lol Zarai cant beat an opponent who has brain and power... When Unohana said he doesnt leave any openings it is when he doesnt give her the chance to use her hidden blades which is used to weaken the opponent lol he does leave openings just not enough to use extra techniques haha

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Yea shinji is strong he really has a hax shikai..I also put him over kyoraku an mabey.kenpachi cuz his sword also control ur senses ...I'm just waiting to see kenpachi shikai that's all..kyoraku is strong but his shikai was nothing to amazing its good thoe.

I dont put Shinji over Shunsui because he may have a has shikai but whoever enters Shunsuis domain is under his zans influence... And im sure that Shunsui knows Shinjis shikai which lets off a scent which whoever smells it will have their senses inverted and will counter it by not smelling it. Plus once Shunsui knows the ability we have seen enough skill in his sword technique to counter it. Shunsuis shikai is so unique and dangerous that it is amazing and the skill in which he uses it is interesting to see.

If he wanted an opening he would have made one but there was no reason to sence his wolves wer gone..if its a un human kid an it put a hole in kyoraku ukitake would react the same way kyoraku did..

I dont think Ukitake would lol he would against an adult but not against a kid. Yama wouldnt even fight against Wonderweiss while he was in his child form.

Don't matter in a fight to the death ur not supposed to give someone a chance to win no hints no nothing..most of thoes distractions came from other people being around other two are from his hat an cape.

Yes but the fact that he gave the hints also tells of Shunsuis power because of the fact that he told Stark while Stark didnt want to know means that Shunsui knows he has a good chance of winning the fight. He also said no matter how strong Stark becomes he wont use bankai... It must be lethal if he is that against using it.

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Using other people and creating distractions.... What is wrong with that he just took advantage of it because of the fact that he is an oppurtunist.

Renji shall never surpass the almighty one he just might who knows.

He will because he is Ichigos rival and friend he will power up everytime Ichigo gets a powerup unless Ichigo goes transcendant again then Renji will be left in the dust as will all the other Shinigami.

Naw he could not really get close to stark an cut him plus he was just greatly wounded by kyoraku sneak attack if stark is at his peak kyoraku won't be able to cut him in a sword fight really...if not for the cape it would have to much longer to beat stark cuz his shikai worked for stark aswell.

And Kyoraku was greatly wounded by that point blank cero and maximum damage iro oni attack which looked like a deep wound. They were both evenly damaged but Kyoraku took him out still because he is a superior swordfighter... Power level they were even but Shunsui was the better CQC fighter while Stark was the better Long range fighter.

But Shunsui know his shikai a lot better than Stark which is the difference and why Shunsui still would have won even if he didnt use the cloak.

Zaraki is always looking for strong people to fights what's the difference?..Yama feared it because he may become to strong....lol shunsui rules are used against him aswell so what you saying an for you to say zaraki has no chance without his shikai is just beyond stupid loo he will get killed easily? this has gone to far lol he is the best sword fighter in ss right now kyoraku will be lucky to stand a chance against his great sword fighting skills kenpachi will catch on to his shikai an dodge accordingly he thinks when he needs to..yea her bankai is still unknown.

Exactly and with his new power up there may be no one except SS to fight against because SS is full of strong fighters which is why he may revolt... That is why he feared Zaraki not getting stronger.

Yes Shunsuis rules are against him as well but he has used that Shikai all his life.. He knows how to use it a lot better than Zaraki because of the fact that it is part of him, Shunsui will use all of his abilities and take out Zaraki by coming at all angles which is why it is so dangerous. Shunsui also control which games to play not Zaraki Shunsui could say Iro oni but then switch to Taka oni and catch Zaraki off guard. Who knows maybe he can combine games to enhance damage by saying taka oni then iro oni and slash a colour and take him out in one huge hit.

Youre are over estimating Zarakis power by a long mile while he is strong I still do not think he is up to Shunsuis skill level in fighting even after seeing you say all this stuff which is very easy to retort to because you look at things so one dimensionally.

 

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wow as if I would read all that :|