Obito was Frightened of Itachi (Kishimoto's Hints)

[elsepa]

That's too much lol.

 

[Demonic Heart]

Itachi is a very intelligent guy

 

[Troyg39]

clearly you dont understand, no matter how you read that page, he clearly says Madara was better before he got owned by the 1st, now he sucks, then he said he will surpass.... (drum roll please) "The Invincible Madara" not the downgraded shell motorless rolling cage that is Obito.

"Today, Madara is a shell of his former self. No longer worthy of being considered the greatest Uchiha. The only one that can surpass him, surpass the invincible Madara and achieve true immortality is me"

Exact quote from the manga. First he shifts attention to the current Obito with the first two sentences, then IMMEDIATELY AFTERWARDS, he says that only one who can surpass HIM, which we know from the previous words that he was talking about current Obito because he said TODAY, THEN he repeats himself, but this time adding old Madara by saying Invincible Madara last.

The transition is obvious. I'm just reading it the way it's presented.

It's just like saying "I'm going to eat my meatloaf, eat my veggies, and then I'll be full". Itachi is saying "The only one who can surpass him (new Obito), surpass the invincible Madara (old Obito), and then become truly immortal".

 

[Lilt]

Are you guys seriously debating about that?

Pathetic shell of Madara = Obito

Itachi saying only he can surpass the "invincible Madara" = Madara

Invincible Madara ≠ Pathetic Shell of Madara

Obvious.

Not to mention the whole thing being a lie to Sasuke anyway.

 

[CDT23]

Are you guys serious.

Pathetic Madara = Obito

Invincible Madara = Madara

Jesus ****ing Christ.

Exactly this^

 

[itachi izanami]

"The only one that can surpass HIM. Not the only one that can surpass his power.

thats exactly the same him and his power if its just him without power then theres nothing to surpass got it?

 

[End of Days]

its you again

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[Lilt]

its you again

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I'm like Orochimaru. Obsessed with Uchiha, and I keep coming back―like herpes.

 

[Troyg39]

thats exactly the same him and his power if its just him without power then theres nothing to surpass got it?

If he's trying to surpass his power then does that not mean that he felt Obito had more power than him? Does that not mean that he felt Obito was stronger? So what is your point again?

 

[CDT23]

"Today, Madara is a shell of his former self. No longer worthy of being considered the greatest Uchiha. The only one that can surpass him, surpass the invincible Madara and achieve true immortality is me"

Exact quote from the manga. First he shifts attention to the current Obito with the first two sentences, then IMMEDIATELY AFTERWARDS, he says that only one who can surpass HIM, which we know from the previous words that he was talking about current Obito because he said TODAY, THEN he repeats himself, but this time changing it from current to old Madara by saying Invincible Madara last.

The transition is obvious. I'm just reading it the way it's presented

lol its alright if you don't get it man, Itachi didn't fear Obito and Obito feared him, no matter how you read the manga. Itachi alive = no war. He had to wait because itachi was scarier than showing up at the Kage Summit to declare war on the ninja world.

 

[itachi izanami]

If he's trying to surpass his power then does that not mean that he felt Obito had more power than him? Does that not mean that he felt Obito was stronger? So what is your point again?

he said his going to surpass the invincible madara not the pathetic madara which means obito

 

[jariaya]

sometime Itachi scared me

 

[Troyg39]

Are you guys seriously debating about that?

Pathetic shell of Madara = Obito

Itachi saying only he can surpass the "invincible Madara" = Madara

Invincible Madara ≠ Pathetic Shell of Madara

Obvious.

Not to mention the whole thing being a lie to Sasuke anyway.

Then why would you try to use that lie as evidence? Unless you just feel like the parts that benefit you are truthful and the ones that don't are lies.

Exactly this^

"Today, Madara is a shell of his former self. No longer worthy of being considered the greatest Uchiha. The only one that can surpass him, surpass the invincible Madara and achieve true immortality is me"

It's just like saying "I'm going to eat my meatloaf, eat my veggies, and then I'll be full". Itachi is saying "The only one who can surpass him (new Obito), surpass the invincible Madara (old Obito), and achieve true immortality is me".

Maybe it would be easier to understand if you put the word "and" in the appropriate place. Surpass him, AND surpass the invincible madara. But ofcorse translations wouldn't have the word "and" in there because it's not considered proper to put multiple "ands" in a compound sentence.

thats exactly the same him and his power if its just him without power then theres nothing to surpass got it?

So in other words this all boils down to Itachi feeling like Obito had more power than him? So does that not mean he felt Obito was stronger?

 

[CDT23]

sometime Itachi scared me

mmmhmm this one will give you nightmare... and madaras rape face too lol

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[Troyg39]

he said his going to surpass the invincible madara not the pathetic madara which means obito

He said both actually

lol its alright if you don't get it man, Itachi didn't fear Obito and Obito feared him, no matter how you read the manga. Itachi alive = no war. He had to wait because itachi was scarier than showing up at the Kage Summit to declare war on the ninja world.

Eh. You see a one eyed freak who was so scared of Itachi that he waited to attack the village and avoided him at all cost.

I see a sick Uchiha who was so scared of Obito that he didn't try to kill him even though he had multiple opportunities (the most obvious one; he could've killed him during the uchiha massacre) and instead ended up doing his bidding as a member of his evil organization hell bent on achieving a goal that Itachi didn't believe in, and his only effort to rid the world of Obito was via a sneak attack.

Like I told Op neither of them were afraid of the other really. They were both just cautious of one another. If Obito were really that scared of him, he wouldn't have let him join the group but instead got the group to help him kill Itachi, rather than allowing him to be so close. He knew Itachi wasn't really evil or down with the plans yet he kept someone who he was supposedly "scared of" so close to him that he would be an easy target? Not likely

And if Itachi were really that scared of Obito, he too wouldn't have joined the group especially knowing that Obito knew all along that he wasn't evil and never intended to follow through with the akatsuki's plans, which put Itachi in danger of being attacked by all ataksuki members.

 

[Purekiller]

Great theory ***** i agree with you

 

[Bogard]

Using fail traductions, puting things out of context and you have this thread. The pathetic shell of former self thing for example is never said whether in the viz or in the anime, He only considered him as a failure for losing 2times:

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Btw on this same panel, we see Itachi admitting inferiority to Obito, yet you didn't mention it, right?

But whatever, i'll just try to remind you few things U_U

Misconception number1: Obito said Itachi could have killed him if he knew his secret

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"Fortunately, i managed to keep a few secrets even from him... If i had not, i'd be dead right now"

Why are you missing the right now Obito said? right now = at the present situation, so Obito obviously talking about what just happened at the moment, he was talking about the amaterasu trap, it's that he thought could have killed him had Itachi knew his secret. It had no relation with a battle situation

Secondly, why do you forget the if he knew my secret? The fact remain that Itachi didn't know his secret and because of that his plan failed. This is a comparable situation to what Pain said about Jiraya. If Jiraya knew his secret, he would have won, but the fact remain that Jiraya didn't know and it's for that reason he lost

Misconception number2: Obito couldn't attack Konoha because of Itachi, so Obito feared Itachi

1- I would ask you something. What makes you believe Obito even wanted to attack the leaf at that moment to begin with? He spent 7years before even meeting Itachi. Why didn't he attack the leaf during that period? And suddenly after meeting Itachi, he would want to attack the leaf, but couldn't because of his fear?

2- It's said in the manga by Itachi himself that Akatsuki needed to seal the Kyubi at last for the stability of the demonic statue. Obito's goal is to complete the moon eye plan by using the fully reformed Juubi, so for that he needed to seal the Kyubi at last. It's for that reason that attacking the leaf or obtaining the Kyubi at that moment was unnecessary. He had other plans, he was even already working on other stuffs like taking control of the Yondaime Mizukage and perfect Jinchuriki(Yagura) to make kirigakure and the Sanbi his. His plan was going well since Akatsuki on the other side could do the job of capturing all the tailed beast up to the 9tails while himself was hiding himself in the shadow and waiting

Misconception number3: Obito never tried to kill Itachi

Obito had no reason to kill Itachi and the manga made it clear, but apparently you missed a great part of this manga. He had no reason to kill Itachi because:

- He needed Itachi alive for Sasuke when the time come and take his revenge, awaken the Mangekyou Sharingan after killing Itachi himself, and manage to manipulate him to serve his own purposes. He was always waiting Sasuke patiently because he saw greater power in him and i suppose was easier to manipulate from his point of view. It's said

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that he was watching Sasuke's evolution and even in his databook

Now that i think i cleared some misconceptions, i would like people like you who believe Itachi was stronger something like this

- Why didn't Itachi never try to kill someone like Obito when he probably knew he was a danger for the world?
- Why did he wait his death to create a Amaterasu trap as a fail safe to kill Obito?

The reason for me is simple. He wanted to save the world, but knew he wasn't strong enough to make a difference had a battle between the 2 had been, but since he knew he was going to die at some point, he tried with that amaterasu trap as a fail safe. Trying is always better than doing nothing anyway. Itachi knew however that Obito would try to manipulate Sasuke and serve his purposes and it's for that reason that he absolutely had to do something about it, reason why he wanted to use Kotoamatsukami to make him obey the leaf instead, unfortunately it also failed

 

[veggetta13]

I dislike pokemon, having said that, I agree that Tobito always kept a certain distance regarding Itachi. Obito did not begin the master plan until he made sure -my guess- Itachi was somehow out of the picture. (before edo-izanami and the writer´s rush :bouncy: -)

 

[Lilt]

Then why would you try to use that lie as evidence?

Itachi wanting to surpass Madara by taking Sasuke's eyes is the lie...

 

[iFlowMotion]

That's not how promises work.

If I promised you that I wouldn't plow your mother where only the Byakugan can see,

but then did it after you died...

Then it wasn't because of a promise.

It was because I didn't want you to kick the shit out of me.

omg i love this