FTG Plothole

[Tazzilla88]

So a new question has occurred to me. When it's time for the A, Tsunade, and Mei to join the battle a discussion of Flying Thunder God ensues

Now Shikaku suggests the tag be placed on Katsuyu and she be sent to the battlefield via Mabui's Heavenly Transfer. And From there Tsunade and A teleport to the battlefield.

Tsunade says no, she says that they will save Flying Thunder God for Mei. According to the Hokages' guards the seal is on Tsunade. And they teleport to the battlefield because of that.

So now the following questions naturally must arise.

1. Who was placing the seal on Katsuyu if the Hokage's Guard's were already with Mei?

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Now I know that Shikaku said they would contact Genma's squad here is the problem. Genma wasn't there so he could've have placed the seal. Furthermore, in the next instance where he uses the term teleport it's clear they were talking about the heavenly transfer technique as Katsuyu goes on to say she can survive being cut up. Furthermore here is Genma's squad with Mei

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2. How was A and Tsunade going to teleport, considering once again the Guard's weren't there?

3. Who actually did place the seal on Tsunade?

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This isn't really a big deal but I thought it was strange.

 

[Shichi]

nice finding that. but that last picture....it uhh doesn't work... XD

 

[Bogard]

Taz read well. Genma said they were Tsunade personally bodyguards. They placed seal on her from the start

 

[Joshutsu]

Meh at this point in time it would be weird to reveal she had it. Why didn't she use it before? These questions are natural to come about, the biggest one if probably why she didn't just use it to teleport to the place where madara was but meh maybe she can't jump that far because if it was close she and A could have just ran over so who knows.

When would she get to show it off as well, I don't think if she lives (which i am hoping she does) that she would get anymore fighting action though i would like that since she has hardly been in any.

 

[Tazzilla88]

Taz read well. Genma said they were Tsunade personally bodyguards. They placed seal on her from the start

If they had placed the seal on her from the start, why was there even conversation of using Katsuyu? That still wouldn't answer questions 1 or 2. And it's not a particularly strong answer to 3.

In addition if she already had the seal they could have ftg'ed Mei to the base and the placed a seal on Katsuyu and then teleported the three kage to the battlefield instead of Tsunade and A gambling there lives.

 

[Bogard]

If they had placed the seal on her from the start, why was there even conversation of using Katsuyu? That still wouldn't answer questions 1 or 2. And it's not a particularly strong answer to 3.

How could they send Tsunade and Mei on the battlefield? It was the reason of the discussion concerning Katsuyu. Shikaku wanted Mabui to use her transportation technique to send Katsuyu to the battlefield because thanks to her capacities, she would survive, and then she uses reverse summoning to bring Tsunade on the battlefield, then Genma's squad could use FTG to send Mei on the battlefield since Tsunade has the marking. I think it's what Shikaku was referring to

 

[Tazzilla88]

Meh at this point in time it would be weird to reveal she had it. Why didn't she use it before? These questions are natural to come about, the biggest one if probably why she didn't just use it to teleport to the place where madara was but meh maybe she can't jump that far because if it was close she and A could have just ran over so who knows.

When would she get to show it off as well, I don't think if she lives (which i am hoping she does) that she would get anymore fighting action though i would like that since she has hardly been in any.

I'm not necessarily implying Tsunade uses ftg. I think that would be very strange, and would reduce Minato's usefulness and uniqueness as a character

How could they send Tsunade and Mei on the battlefield? It was the reason of the discussion concerning Katsuyu. Shikaku wanted Mabui to use her transportation technique to send Katsuyu to the battlefield because thanks to her capacities, she would survive, and then she uses reverse summoning to bring Tsunade on the battlefield, then Genma's squad could use FTG to send Mei on the battlefield since Tsunade has the marking. I think it's what Shikaku was referring to

The theory is now a better working model, but he had never considered bringing Mei along. As Tsunade said it must be saved for Mei which hints that he intended for Tsunade to be teleported with ftg. Although another question has occurred. Why did ftg have to be saved for Mei? Couldn't they reuse the seal?

 

[Joshutsu]

I'm not necessarily implying Tsunade uses ftg. I think that would be very strange, and would reduce Minato's usefulness and uniqueness as a character

Yeah, i agree if more people keep being revealed to having it minato's main thing will become a general technique. Tsunade already has her epic techniques exclusive to her as far as we know. FTG should stay with minato and tobirama by extension

 

[Bogard]

The theory is now a better working model, but he had never considered bringing Mei along. As Tsunade said it must be saved for Mei which hints that he intended for Tsunade to be teleported with ftg. Although another question has occurred. Why did ftg have to be saved for Mei? Couldn't they reuse the seal?

No, he never wanted to teleport Tsunade with FTG. The goal from the start was teleporting Mei with FTG by using the marking already placed on Tsunade from the start. Neither Tsunade, nor Shikaku or anyone else there could use FTG. Only Genma's squad could. When she said she wanted to save it for Mei, it was to say they were preparing the FTG to teleport Mei on the battlefield at the right time. That's why Shikaku contacted Genma's squad, which was near Mei at that moment

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

You make it sound as if Tsunade can opereate FTG by herself.Also it would be a pointless waste of time and chakra to FTG mei to the stations just to trasnport her to the main battlefield.

They were talkinhg about placing Katsuya through the trasnpoter to aquire the FTG mark which would in place be used to trasnport them to the battle field.However tsuande said save the ftg for the other kage and she and A would just beast it through the transporter.




There is no plot hole here.

 

[DJKS]

Tsunade and A used the Heavenly transfer, not FTG, this is why Tsunade said she could survive it with her forehead seal. Katsuyu had the seal put on her and was teleported with the Heavenly Transfer, once there Yondaime's bodyguards could then teleport Mei after being contacted.

Case closed.

 

[FourthLegacy]

First Picture..
read what Tsunade says.
She cancels the idea..saying that instead of the plan she will travel inside of the Mabuis jutsu.

 

[Tazzilla88]

You make it sound as if Tsunade can opereate FTG by herself.Also it would be a pointless waste of time and chakra to FTG mei to the stations just to trasnport her to the main battlefield.

They were talkinhg about placing Katsuya through the trasnpoter to aquire the FTG mark which would in place be used to trasnport them to the battle field.However tsuande said save the ftg for the other kage and she and A would just beast it through the transporter.




There is no plot hole here.

No what I am making it sound like is Kishi either did not write that scene very well or there is another person who may know the seals for ftg. I would argue the former rather than the latter in order to protect his uniqueness which if you had read the thread you would've have known I was not trying to suggest Tsunade used ftg.

How does Katsuyu being sent via Heavenly Transfer give her the seal? Shikaku didn't want Tsunade to endure Heavenly Transfer so how would Katsuyu get to the battlefield if she was sent to Genma's squad to get the seal?

A pointless waste of their time? How would they place the seal on Katsuyu? The reason he wanted to use ftg so because he forgot Tsunade could use creation rebirth to heal her wounds.

Tsunade and A used the Heavenly transfer, not FTG, this is why Tsunade said she could survive it with her forehead seal. Katsuyu had the seal put on her and was teleported with the Heavenly Transfer, once there Yondaime's bodyguards could then teleport Mei after being contacted.

Case closed.

This post confuses me. Can you more clearly explain what you mean?

No, he never wanted to teleport Tsunade with FTG. The goal from the start was teleporting Mei with FTG by using the marking already placed on Tsunade from the start. Neither Tsunade, nor Shikaku or anyone else there could use FTG. Only Genma's squad could. When she said she wanted to save it for Mei, it was to say they were preparing the FTG to teleport Mei on the battlefield at the right time. That's why Shikaku contacted Genma's squad, which was near Mei at that moment

He never even expressed the idea of wanting to bring Mei to the battlefield it was Tsunade who pointed out her strategic value.
Furthermore, why would Tsunade object to that course of action and say " We need to save ftg for her" that line would be completely useless as that would have already been what Shikaku was thinking anyways. In fact the presentation of the line suggests that Shikaku had never even considered bringing Mei to the battlefield. What it seems to imply is that he wanted use ftg to send Tsunade to the battlefield. And before that chapter, none would have said Genma's squad knew ftg.

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The goal from the start was trying to prevent Tsunade from using the Heavenly transfer technique. Because he had forgotten that she could heal from such a technique. And thus ftg would have accomplished that goal.

 

[Fire Lord Azula]

she probaly knows the seals to it

 

[A$AP Wap]

Okay, why is it now you're complaining about it?
It's done. They came to the battlefield, got their asses beat, and some more shit.

You have something going on, but I hate it when you start something, someone doesn't complain until the last minute.
Example:
Boy: (Brings girl home.)
His Girlfriend: (Looks at the girl and goes back to what she was doing.)
Boy: (Takes the girl into his room so they can smash.)
Boy and The Girl: (They come out and the girl leaves.)
- 5 Minutes later
Boy's girlfriend: Who was that?

This is exactly what you're doing. Complaining at the last minute. >_<

That already passed, why didn't you make this thread when that chapter was still fresh?

 

[DJKS]

This post confuses me. Can you more clearly explain what you mean?

What else is there to explain? It's simple.

Tsunade said to use FTG on Mei because that was the only way to teleport her, whereas Tsunade and A can use the Heavenly Transfer and not waste time having Yondaime's bodyguards have to make two trips which may have been troublesome for them due to the amount of chakra it takes up.

There's no plothole here.

 

[Tazzilla88]

What else is there to explain? It's simple.

Tsunade said to use FTG on Mei because that was the only way to teleport her, whereas Tsunade and A can use the Heavenly Transfer and not waste time having Yondaime's bodyguards have to make two trips which may have been troublesome for them due to the amount of chakra it takes up.

There's no plothole here.

Yeah you misunderstood the purpose of the thread. The plotholes lies in those question. That explanation doesn't cover the basis of those questions.

Okay, why is it now you're complaining about it?
It's done. They came to the battlefield, got their asses beat, and some more shit.

You have something going on, but I hate it when you start something, someone doesn't complain until the last minute.
Example:
Boy: (Brings girl home.)
His Girlfriend: (Looks at the girl and goes back to what she was doing.)
Boy: (Takes the girl into his room so they can smash.)
Boy and The Girl: (They come out and the girl leaves.)
- 5 Minutes later
Boy's girlfriend: Who was that?

This is exactly what you're doing. Complaining at the last minute. >_<

That already passed, why didn't you make this thread when that chapter was still fresh?

Well... I don't read the manga to make predictions. If I did then and only then would your critique even be relevant. However, I enjoy analyzing the manga, and if you don't then you have nothing to contribute it this thread.

There are a lot of theories that need to be well thought up or questions that arise from rereading and reanalyzing material. This was one of those things as apparently you didn't notice the incongruity with predicament yourself.

 

[DJKS]

Yeah you misunderstood the purpose of the thread. The plotholes lies in those question. That explanation doesn't cover the basis of those questions.


Well... I don't read the manga to make predictions. If I did then and only then would your critique even be relevant. However, I enjoy analyzing the manga, and if you don't then you have nothing to contribute it this thread.

There are a lot of theories that need to be well thought up or questions that arise from rereading and reanalyzing material. This was one of those things as apparently you didn't notice the incongruity with predicament yourself.

I already kind of did answer your questions in my previous reply in which you were confused about but I I'll respond to them one by one.

1. The bodyguards aren't the only ones who can place the seal, but they're the only ones who can perform the teleportation. If this isn't the case, then they could simply teleport with Mei to Tsunade, place a seal on the slug, have it teleport via the Heavenly Transfer and then teleport Tsunade, Mei and A there.

2. By the Heavenly Transfer, if you mean, "how were they going to teleport by using the FTG?", then probably by contacting the bodyguards and have them teleport to where they are, place another seal on the slug and have it teleport via the Heavenly Transfer and then teleport there via the FTG with the bodyguards. They didn't use the FTG, so........

3. They're now Tsunade's bodyguards, it's only logical for her to already have a seal on her in order for them to come to her aid when she needs help.

Again, it's not a plothole and case closed.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Maybe they know the formula but can't perform the jutsu.

 

[End of Days]

1. they should have no shortage of seals, the body guards most definitely know how to put the seal and made it before hand for emergency situations

2. the bodyguards were going to come to A and tsunade and teleport them to the katsuyu with the mark

3.the bodyguards, so that they can come to her rescue anytime

P.S. stop stealing bandiwdth