Itachi, Hiruzen, Minato, Orochimaru, Shikaku

[take it easy]

not minato.

 

[abcdefgh]

Madara was a prodigy from the Uchiha Clan, manga fact. Why isn't he on here? Because he'd top the list? Do remember how long he lived.

 

[EL MAGNIFICO]

Madara was a prodigy from the Uchiha Clan, manga fact. Why isn't he on here? Because he'd top the list? Do remember how long he lived.

madara was a prodigy because he had a powerful chakra even in uchiha terms and was one of the few who awakened mangekyou ..he was not analytical ....he lost to the same guy many times ...

 

[MickNerks]

Well...first, sorry for being offensive and obnoxious.

But I disagree.

Sasuke has been called a "once in a generation genius". And I think Kakashi and Kabuto really deserve a spot here.

Thank you for coming back in a calmer manner. I understand what you are saying, and I can understand why you would want sasuke and kakashi up there.

My reasoning for not adding sasuke was because I had already placed itachi on the list. I didnt want to become redundant by adding his little brother as well.

My reasoning for not adding Kabuto is because I felt as though he gained all his knowledge from orochimaru, so once again I didnt want to be redundant by adding orochimaru and also his pupil.

It was my mistake for not adding kakashi. He indeed is a excellent shinobi and a Genius in his own. I hope my decision doesnt offend anyone who is a fan of kakashi. I simply overlooked him.

not minato.

LOL

Madara was a prodigy from the Uchiha Clan, manga fact. Why isn't he on here? Because he'd top the list? Do remember how long he lived.

IMO, Yes madara was a prodigy, but only a prodigy in terms of uchiha skill. I never tough of madara to be an actual genius, just advanced when it comes to using his sharingan and brilliant because he mastered it at a young age.

 

[Fodder#4]

Orochimaru is the most intelligent by far. What he has done and the experiments he performed alone puts him at the top. Not to mention that he accurately predicted what the Uchiha tablet said.

Itachi seems to me, at least, to be perceptive and a good strategist. Capable of predicting (to an extent) what Kabuto had up his sleeve. Also, he was capable of seeing both Chibaku Tensei and Nagato's shared vision and come up with a plan to get rid of them both. The latter ability of Nagato's being much more subtle and essential in defeating him.

Hiruzen, from what we've seen and heard of him is nearly as perceptive as Itachi if not more so. Capable of picking up any not Kekki genkai abilities Konoha has to offer and learn them. Hiruzen could be called smart too (Or something along those lines) for learning these jutsu. We don't really know exactly how he learned them, whether it was through strictly observing his allies/opponents use them or if it was a gradual thing he did, learn a new jutsu a week. Not much else can be said about him.

Minato, much like Itachi and Hiruzen, Minato's very perceptive. As perceptive or better than Itachi, him being able to pick up and discover a way to defeat Obito and Kamui after only seeing it a few times and in less than a half hour of originally experiencing it. Which would also make him a fairly good strategist.

Shikaku is from the Nara Clan, so naturally he is one of the smartest characters in the show. What I've seen from him is that he's a great strategist and can come up with a plan to defeat any opponent over time. He's not a quick thinker like Itachi or Minato. Shikaku also seems to be the second (Or third) most knowledgeable character on the list. Below Orochimaru and either tied or slightly below Hiruzen. He assumed that it was an Edo Tensei itachi who was behind the White Zetsu attacks on the camp, by genjutsu. Despite the fact that itachi was not known to be an Edo Tensei Shinobi used in the war yet.

All in all, I'd say Orochimaru is the smartest and most intelligent character on the list.

Itachi is the most (Or tied with Minato) perceptive character and often thinks ahead to formulate battle strategies.

Minato is the quickest thinker we have, and is tied with Itachi for most perceptive character.

Hiruzen is very knowledgeable, as expected for a Kage who lived so long. But, he clearly isn't above average intelligence and we haven't seen or heard how he mastered or learned those jutsu in his arsenal.

And Shikaku is very knowledgeable, second (or tied with Hiruzen) only to Orochimaru. And when it comes to forming strategies and discovering an enemies jutsu or attack, he's probably the best choice here. But his problem is how long it takes him to do it. He could probably go more indepth than any one else on the list but the amount of time it takes him just doesn't make it as practical as others.

Also, Kakashi should be here. He's a very perceptive, intelligent, and can create plans for battle relatively quickly.

 

[Lilt]

IMO

Accumulated intelligence (sum of what they've learn)

1. Orochimaru
2. Madara
3. Hiruzen

Innate intelligence (how quickly they learn)

1. Itachi
2. Kakashi
3. Minato
4. Sasuke
5. Neji

The Nara Clan is hyped for strategic planning, but that's it, really.

They're not particularly inventive or talented at learning skills.

 

[EL MAGNIFICO]

@micknerks ..
i think kakashi's analytical skills has sharingan behind it ... Kaashi ..truly is a genius ninja ... But apart from his sharingan enhanced observation , he hasn't shown much ... Same is the reason why i place itachi on 4th ..

 

[MickNerks]

IMO

Accumulated intelligence and inventiveness

1. Orochimaru
2. Madara
3. Tobirama

Innate intelligence and skill

1. Itachi
2. Sasuke
3. Minato
4. Hiruzen
5. Neji

The Nara Clan is hyped for strategic planning, but that's it, really.

They're not particularly inventive or talented at learning skills.

I Agree with this. The only thing that i might question is putting tobirama in accumulated intelligence, as he hasnt really showed intelligence that he accumulated. Creating the village system was inovative, so you are right on that point but i dont think I would put him on the level of accumulated intellegence with madara and orochimaru.

 

[MickNerks]

@micknerks ..
i think kakashi's analytical skills has sharingan behind it ... Kaashi ..truly is a genius ninja ... But apart from his sharingan enhanced observation , he hasn't shown much ... Same is the reason why i place itachi on 4th ..

I agree.

His sharingan is a major factor in terms of what he can do.

 

[Lilt]

I Agree with this. The only thing that i might question is putting tobirama in accumulated intelligence.

Yeah, I've been rethinking my list and I still don't like it. Tobirama definitely belongs in the inventive category though, as he seems to be the inventor of Hiraishin and Edo Tensei, maybe more. And it's my inference that if a shinobi invents jutsu like those, then he has a great deal of accumulated knowledge.

 

[Dark Artist]

they're all smart except for the third hokage i don't put him with them

but if i have to choose it's Orochimaru or Minato

i Voted for Oro

 

[Bogard]

Minato for me

In the entire world, Minato and Orochimaru are the only one who knew Tobi wasn't Madara. Even Shikaku easily believed it. Hiruzen never even knew about the existence of such a guy. Itachi was trained by the guy and never knew it through decades. But what steps aside Minato from Orochimaru is that Minato actually only met the guy for 2 minutes before realising it wasn't him, when Orochimaru noticed it only with pure luck through his experiments via Edo tensei. On the first pic you mentioned in Minato's paragraph, you also forgot the part where Jiraya said no one like him has been born in a while, which means that from his perspective, Minato is the greatest genius ever(and he knows Hiruzen or Orochimaru, even Itachi)

But of course genius =/= intelligence, but i have to add some things

Minato was shown to be very intuitive and clever from a young age. Of the many ninja sent out to save Kushina from her Kumogakure kidnappers, Minato was the only one to notice the trail of hair she was leaving. After seeing a technique once, he could correctly deduce the basic mechanics behind it, such as the strengths and weaknesses of Kakashi's Chidori. During difficult events, he was still capable of maintaining his composure, assessing the situation, and devising appropriate plans of action. During his skirmish against Tobi, he was able to determine that his opponent didn't want to drag on their fight as he could not keep Kurama summoned for very long, as well as quickly ascertain a method of counter-attacking

 

[EL MAGNIFICO]

IMO

Accumulated intelligence (sum of what they've learn)

1. Orochimaru
2. Madara
3. Hiruzen

Innate intelligence (how quickly they learn)

1. Itachi
2. Kakashi
3. Minato
4. Sasuke
5. Neji

The Nara Clan is hyped for strategic planning, but that's it, really.

They're not particularly inventive or talented at learning skills.

if u r questioning abt nara clan's leaning new skills potential ... Thn i would say that thats not topic we are currently focusing on man .!!
shikaku has clearly shown from the battle against juubi that he's definately the best observer/strategist/analyst etc etc ...itachi has sharingan ... Which enhance his observing capabilities ...thats all

 

[MickNerks]

Orochimaru is the most intelligent by far. What he has done and the experiments he performed alone puts him at the top. Not to mention that he accurately predicted what the Uchiha tablet said.

Itachi seems to me, at least, to be perceptive and a good strategist. Capable of predicting (to an extent) what Kabuto had up his sleeve. Also, he was capable of seeing both Chibaku Tensei and Nagato's shared vision and come up with a plan to get rid of them both. The latter ability of Nagato's being much more subtle and essential in defeating him.

Hiruzen, from what we've seen and heard of him is nearly as perceptive as Itachi if not more so. Capable of picking up any not Kekki genkai abilities Konoha has to offer and learn them. Hiruzen could be called smart too (Or something along those lines) for learning these jutsu. We don't really know exactly how he learned them, whether it was through strictly observing his allies/opponents use them or if it was a gradual thing he did, learn a new jutsu a week. Not much else can be said about him.

Minato, much like Itachi and Hiruzen, Minato's very perceptive. As perceptive or better than Itachi, him being able to pick up and discover a way to defeat Obito and Kamui after only seeing it a few times and in less than a half hour of originally experiencing it. Which would also make him a fairly good strategist.

Shikaku is from the Nara Clan, so naturally he is one of the smartest characters in the show. What I've seen from him is that he's a great strategist and can come up with a plan to defeat any opponent over time. He's not a quick thinker like Itachi or Minato. Shikaku also seems to be the second (Or third) most knowledgeable character on the list. Below Orochimaru and either tied or slightly below Hiruzen. He assumed that it was an Edo Tensei itachi who was behind the White Zetsu attacks on the camp, by genjutsu. Despite the fact that itachi was not known to be an Edo Tensei Shinobi used in the war yet.

All in all, I'd say Orochimaru is the smartest and most intelligent character on the list.

Itachi is the most (Or tied with Minato) perceptive character and often thinks ahead to formulate battle strategies.

Minato is the quickest thinker we have, and is tied with Itachi for most perceptive character.

Hiruzen is very knowledgeable, as expected for a Kage who lived so long. But, he clearly isn't above average intelligence and we haven't seen or heard how he mastered or learned those jutsu in his arsenal.

And Shikaku is very knowledgeable, second (or tied with Hiruzen) only to Orochimaru. And when it comes to forming strategies and discovering an enemies jutsu or attack, he's probably the best choice here. But his problem is how long it takes him to do it. He could probably go more indepth than any one else on the list but the amount of time it takes him just doesn't make it as practical as others.

Also, Kakashi should be here. He's a very perceptive, intelligent, and can create plans for battle relatively quickly.

I thank you for your analysis, but I strongly disagree with the bolded part.

Hiruzen was nicknamed "The Professor" because he was SUCH a genius. That nickname alone gaurentees that he was above average intelligence.

Also the fact that he was able to learn and master EVERY jutsu in the leaf, is nothing short of genius. You have to have a very keen and analytical eye in order to learn the quantity of jutsu he learned.

The manga suggest that he was able to learn the death reaper seal after only seeing it used once.

 

[captainEO]

Thank you for coming back in a calmer manner. I understand what you are saying, and I can understand why you would want sasuke and kakashi up there.

My reasoning for not adding sasuke was because I had already placed itachi on the list. I didnt want to become redundant by adding his little brother as well.

My reasoning for not adding Kabuto is because I felt as though he gained all his knowledge from orochimaru, so once again I didnt want to be redundant by adding orochimaru and also his pupil.

It was my mistake for not adding kakashi. He indeed is a excellent shinobi and a Genius in his own. I hope my decision doesnt offend anyone who is a fan of kakashi. I simply overlooked him.

Yeah, you make a lot of sense.

I think it's tricky when it comes to Sasuke and Kabuto, as they're no doubt smart, heck I think they're both geniuses but they have difficulty shining next to their older mentors or "counterparts".

Though, I can definitely see it becoming redundant. But I think that Sasuke and Itachi are far more even than most people think similarly with Kabuto and Oro. They're so even that it's difficult to pick which one of the two from each pair would be just that little bit better.

Kakashi, on the other hand, is more independent but once again all of them are so similar and even that they're difficult to compare/contrast unless one has said that the other is downright superior.

I just wish more people would acknowledge Sasuke and all his feats. Even Itachi does...he's always impressed by what Sasuke has been able to achieve/do, it's quite funny actually, I think I could compile a large list of all the instances where Itachi was shocked by Sasuke's skill. But I digress.

From this list, I'd probably pick either Minato/Itachi. I think they're the most versatile or well-rounded.

 

[Lilt]

if u r questioning abt nara clan's leaning new skills potential ... Thn i would say that thats not topic we are currently focusing on man .!!

We're talking about "intelligence," and I think the most important facet of intelligence is learning potential. The Naras obviously don't have nearly as much as the others, because they're pretty weak in comparison. Hence why I give them the nod for their strategies, but that's really their only niche.

Itachi has planned out entire fights as well, but he's also proven that he learns information and skills at superhuman rates by beating a Sannin at age 11, and he's invented several complicated forms of jutsu as well. (genjutsu, fūinjutsu, medical jutsu, etc.) I don't think the Naras compete at all in terms of overall intelligence.

In the entire world, Minato and Orochimaru are the only one who knew Tobi wasn't Madara.

This is by far the worst reasoning for intelligence, given that Minato was completely ignorant about immortality jutsu.

 

[MickNerks]

Yeah, I've been rethinking my list and I still don't like it. Tobirama definitely belongs in the inventive category though, as he seems to be the inventor of Hiraishin and Edo Tensei, maybe more. And it's my inference that if a shinobi invents jutsu like those, then he has a great deal of accumulated knowledge.

If you place tobirama in that list based off those qualities, then would'nt you also have to place hiruzen in that list as he created multiple jutsu and learned all of the jutsu in the leaf.

they're all smart except for the third hokage i don't put him with them

but if i have to choose it's Orochimaru or Minato

i Voted for Oro

I'm curious as to why you dont think the 3rd hokage is a genius?

Minato for me

In the entire world, Minato and Orochimaru are the only one who knew Tobi wasn't Madara. Even Shikaku easily believed it. Hiruzen never even knew about the existence of such a guy. Itachi was trained by the guy and never knew it through decades. But what steps aside Minato from Orochimaru is that Minato actually only met the guy for 2 minutes before realising it wasn't him, when Orochimaru noticed it only with pure luck through his experiments via Edo tensei. On the first pic you mentioned in Minato's paragraph, you also forgot the part where Jiraya said no one like him has been born in a while, which means that from his perspective, Minato is the greatest genius ever(and he knows Hiruzen or Orochimaru, even Itachi)

But of course genius =/= intelligence, but i have to add some things

Minato was shown to be very intuitive and clever from a young age. Of the many ninja sent out to save Kushina from her Kumogakure kidnappers, Minato was the only one to notice the trail of hair she was leaving. After seeing a technique once, he could correctly deduce the basic mechanics behind it, such as the strengths and weaknesses of Kakashi's Chidori. During difficult events, he was still capable of maintaining his composure, assessing the situation, and devising appropriate plans of action. During his skirmish against Tobi, he was able to determine that his opponent didn't want to drag on their fight as he could not keep Kurama summoned for very long, as well as quickly ascertain a method of counter-attacking

Nice. I can see why you would choose Minato, He also planned alot for the future and had many things prepared for naruto even after his death.

IMO I would give this to Orochimaru baised off everything he has done and accomplished. But I respect your opinion as well.

 

[Lilt]

If you place tobirama in that list based off those qualities, then would'nt you also have to place hiruzen in that list as he created multiple jutsu and learned all of the jutsu in the leaf.

I don't remember Hiruzen inventing any jutsu though.

He was hyped for mastering all the jutsu in Konoha though, which definitely shows he's an amazing learner.

 

[EL MAGNIFICO]

We're talking about "intelligence," and I think the most important facet of intelligence is learning potential. The Naras obviously don't have nearly as much as the others, because they're pretty weak in comparison. Hence why I give them the nod for their strategies, but that's really their only niche.

Itachi has planned out entire fights as well, but he's also proven that he learns information and skills at superhuman rates by beating a Sannin at age 11, and he's invented several complicated forms of jutsu as well. (genjutsu, fūinjutsu, medical jutsu, etc.) I don't think the Naras compete at all in terms of overall intelligence.

in ninja world ...learning skill depends on the clan u r born in ... Why do u think sasuke learned the fire release jutsu at such a young age ? Its becuz its a signature jutsu of the uchihas. Also Itachi clearly mentioned to oro that 'ur tricks won't work in front of these eyes'.. Means it was mangekyou's power... Inventing jutsus is another thing !!

 

[MickNerks]

Yeah, you make a lot of sense.

I think it's tricky when it comes to Sasuke and Kabuto, as they're no doubt smart, heck I think they're both geniuses but they have difficulty shining next to their older mentors or "counterparts".

Though, I can definitely see it becoming redundant. But I think that Sasuke and Itachi are far more even than most people think similarly with Kabuto and Oro. They're so even that it's difficult to pick which one of the two from each pair would be just that little bit better.

Kakashi, on the other hand, is more independent but once again all of them are so similar and even that they're difficult to compare/contrast unless one has said that the other is downright superior.

I just wish more people would acknowledge Sasuke and all his feats. Even Itachi does...he's always impressed by what Sasuke has been able to achieve/do, it's quite funny actually, I think I could compile a large list of all the instances where Itachi was shocked by Sasuke's skill. But I digress.

From this list, I'd probably pick either Minato/Itachi. I think they're the most versatile or well-rounded.

That is true. Minato and Itachi are nice choices. They seemed to be compared alot on this base.

I don't remember Hiruzen inventing any jutsu though.

He was hyped for mastering all the jutsu in Konoha though, which definitely shows he's an amazing learner.

Roof Shuriken Jutsu
&
Crystal ball jutsu​

These are 2 that we know of.