Deidara Vs. Onoki

[Lightbringer]

Onoki without a doubt

 

[Shura]

Onoki without a doubt

How exactly??

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Onoki.

Deidara's explosions are usually good against ground targets. He can't hit him with nukes since Onoki can fly.

Onoki's fly speed is greater than Deidara's explosives, and he can easily dodge them.

As far as I know, Onoki can also use clones or, if he touches Deidara's dragon he can increase its weight. Deidara then crashes onto the ground and dies or gets atomised by Jinton.

 

[Lightbringer]

How exactly??

Onoki can create a widespread jinton attack(like the one that cleared Madara's Mokuton) and deidara wouldn't be able to dodge it, and it would most likely consume the rest of deidara's attacks.

Deidara isn't faster, it depends on the scope of his techs. Anything past C1 takes longer to create than Onoki's jinton


and considering that sand managed to block c1-c3 attacks, I'm sure rock would do just fine to block it as well.

not to mention Onoki flying is a lot harder to hit than ground targets, which is what Deidara specializes in fighting against.

 

[Shura]

Onoki.

Deidara's explosions are usually good against ground targets. He can't hit him with nukes since Onoki can fly.

Onoki's fly speed is greater than Deidara's explosives, and he can easily dodge them.

As far as I know, Onoki can also use clones or, if he touches Deidara's dragon he can increase its weight. Deidara then crashes onto the ground and dies or gets atomised by Jinton.

Deidara can drop the C3 on him if given the chance and it he probably will have the chance if he uses a lot of C2 / C1 bombs.

Onoki's fly speed isn't really greater than Deidara's explosives. Deidara was on par with Onoki's fly speed while he was on a big C1 bird. The small C1 birds are a lot faster.

Deidara can use clay clones which can explode. If Onoki by some chance touches the dragon, Deidara can simply jump off and create a bird or another dragon.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

If Onoki by some chance touches the dragon, Deidara can simply jump off and create a bird or another dragon.

It's not like he instantly creates those flying dragons.

Even if he did, onoki can do it again.

 

[theTobiramaSenju]

Deidara's C1 attacks are fatser than Jinton and he knows it.

Maybe, but it can be dodge simply ...

 

[Shura]

Onoki can create a widespread jinton attack(like the one that cleared Madara's Mokuton) and deidara wouldn't be able to dodge it, and it would most likely consume the rest of deidara's attacks.

Deidara isn't faster, it depends on the scope of his techs. Anything past C1 takes longer to create than Onoki's jinton


and considering that sand managed to block c1-c3 attacks, I'm sure rock would do just fine to block it as well.

not to mention Onoki flying is a lot harder to hit than ground targets, which is what Deidara specializes in fighting against.

He can't really make a big rock golem in the sky so he won't really be able to defend himself with that. Anyways, for the rest read 6 Paths' reply.

Maybe, but it can be dodge simply ...

It can be dodged, but Onoki had to be already saved once from them.

It's not like he instantly creates those flying dragons.

Even if he did, onoki can do it again.

It's not likely that Deidara will give him the chance again and yes he pretty much can make them instantly.

 

[Zexion~]

As 6 paths said dodging jinton would be deidara's downfall for then he would never really get back into a good range .. his counter is staying close and launching c1 bombs before he could activate it

 

[Shura]

As 6 paths said dodging jinton would be deidara's downfall for then he would never really get back into a good range .. his counter is staying close and launching c1 bombs before he could activate it

Hmm.. I'm pretty sure Deidara would stay in close range due to his knowledge on Onoki. Dei wouldn't underestimate his former sensei. :yeah:

 

[Zexion~]

Hmm.. I'm pretty sure Deidara would stay in close range due to his knowledge on Onoki. Dei wouldn't underestimate his former sensei. :yeah:

Im just saying the he should not try to dodge jinton

 

[Shura]

Im just saying the he should not try to dodge jinton

Ok. =D So I take it that you agree with Deidara winning this?

 

[Zexion~]

I think he has the capability do win this ya .. i say he wins 8/10

 

[Shura]

I think he has the capability do win this ya .. i say he wins 8/10

Ok, good to hear that my man. (I had to say it. After all this is a Dei thread :bouncy

 

[Zexion~]

Ok, good to hear that my man. (I had to say it. After all this is a Dei thread :bouncy

Its all good haha XD

 

[Lightbringer]

He can't really make a big rock golem in the sky so he won't really be able to defend himself with that. Anyways, for the rest read 6 Paths' reply.

Onoki has light-weight tech for that.

and Onoki doesn't have to block it, he can dodge it. Onoki doesn't have to rely on his jinton only. Remember, he has the super punch as well, and he's incredibly fast.

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You say Deidara wouldn't let Onoki form a dust-release but Onoki already has done so when they met? Ofcourse in any what if scenario, anything can happen.

But if you look at it with Deidara's personality, he's not really aggressive....he doesn't have the reaction time to respond to him forming his Dust Release. Deidara likes to talk and wait, he doesn't attack and keep pressure on his opponent like Obito does.

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He only attacked once his hands were restrained by Akatsuchi....not when Onoki was still forming Dust-Release

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Rock Golem protected Onoki in the air from Deidara's blast.....Onoki could theoretically form Jinton whilst being shielded by rock golem.

Not only that, but I'm certain that Onoki can just rap himself in rock and not just limited to Rock Golem. I mean if he can shape rock into a golem, them why not armor?

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[Shura]

Onoki has light-weight tech for that.

and Onoki doesn't have to block it, he can dodge it. Onoki doesn't have to rely on his jinton only. Remember, he has the super punch as well, and he's incredibly fast.

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You say Deidara wouldn't let Onoki form a dust-release but Onoki already has done so when they met? Ofcourse in any what if scenario, anything can happen.

But if you look at it with Deidara's personality, he's not really aggressive....he doesn't have the reaction time to respond to him forming his Dust Release. Deidara likes to talk and wait, he doesn't attack and keep pressure on his opponent like Obito does.

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He only attacked once his hands were restrained by Akatsuchi....not when Onoki was still forming Dust-Release

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Rock Golem protected Onoki in the air from Deidara's blast.....Onoki could theoretically form Jinton whilst being shielded by rock golem.

Not only that, but I'm certain that Onoki can just rap himself in rock and not just limited to Rock Golem. I mean if he can shape rock into a golem, them why not armor?

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The last spoiler doesn't work for me. :eww:

Anyways, Akatsuchi restrained Onoki's hands because he would have died by Deidara's C1 bird. Akatsuchi basically reacted and formed a rock shield over both of them.

The Rock golem protected them from a small scale C1 attack. A C2 attack couldn't be tanked by it.

 

[Lightbringer]

The last spoiler doesn't work for me. :eww:

Anyways, Akatsuchi restrained Onoki's hands because he would have died by Deidara's C1 bird. Akatsuchi basically reacted and formed a rock shield over both of them.

The Rock golem protected them from a small scale C1 attack. A C2 attack couldn't be tanked by it.

A c2 attack takes longer to form than jinton. As I said with my first comment, anything over c1 is slow. The dragon, the bombs, the huge clone of Deidara all take a while to process because he has to mold it first.

The last spoiler was from avatar, just to give an example of rock armor

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[Shura]

A c2 attack takes longer to form than jinton. As I said with my first comment, anything over c1 is slow. The dragon, the bombs, the huge clone of Deidara all take a while to process because he has to mold it first.

The last spoiler was from avatar, just to give an example of rock armor

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Dei can use C1 at the same time since he has knowledge on the Jinton.

 

[Edo Odin]

Onoki has light-weight tech for that.

and Onoki doesn't have to block it, he can dodge it. Onoki doesn't have to rely on his jinton only. Remember, he has the super punch as well, and he's incredibly fast.

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I don't really see how the Kengan would help him at all in this match up, he's not punching away an explosion. As for offensive use, he's not really catching Deidara again, posting a scan where Deidara planned on having his Nendo Bunshin hit by his attack to blow him up doesn't change much. In the air, he isn't getting a physical hit off on Deidara, and if he gets too close, he's vulnerable to the close range C4 Karura.

You say Deidara wouldn't let Onoki form a dust-release but Onoki already has done so when they met? Ofcourse in any what if scenario, anything can happen.

But if you look at it with Deidara's personality, he's not really aggressive....he doesn't have the reaction time to respond to him forming his Dust Release. Deidara likes to talk and wait, he doesn't attack and keep pressure on his opponent like Obito does.

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He only attacked once his hands were restrained by Akatsuchi....not when Onoki was still forming Dust-Release

He didn't attack directly when Ōnoki was forming his Jinton because he would have been hit, since Ōnoi managed to begin creating it at a far distance by catching Deidara off guard. Deidara made the right choice, and retreated, to get out of the attacks range. After that, regardless of his personality, he did pressure Ōnoki, to keep him from using the Jinton, exactly because the C1 takes less time to form than the Jinton.

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Rock Golem protected Onoki in the air from Deidara's blast.....Onoki could theoretically form Jinton whilst being shielded by rock golem.

Theoretically maybe, but you don't know how that would end up. Stating that he can simply suddenly mold chakra to create a Golem while also molding three different chakra natures at once, is not something that people would be ready to accept without problems. The amount of focus that needs to be put in creating the Jinton won't allow him to simultaneously use another technique.

Not to mention the fact that Ōnoki's golem won't protect him 360°, so it can be taken care of by Deidara's controllable missiles.

Not only that, but I'm certain that Onoki can just rap himself in rock and not just limited to Rock Golem. I mean if he can shape rock into a golem, them why not armor?

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1) He's never been shown doing that before
2) He wouldn't be able to see without creating a blind spot in the armor, which would give Deidara an opening
3) His physical speed and reaction speed would get significally lower
4) He likely would not be able to fly while using this technique.
5) He's not forming hand seals with his hands covered in rock.
6) This would give Deidara time to create much more powerful explosives, which would manage to get through the armor.