THEORY} MS activation OBITO & KAKASHI proven

[Champ]

Obito awaken the Mangekyo for Kakashi.

 

[Tendou00]

Kakashi have 1 sharingan + killed rin + awake

Obito watch and eat pop corn, "oh my eye now is mangekyou wtf?"

 

[Shinobi2000]

You may look at it like that and it makes sense but still to me it just looks like not very detailed drawing, I agree with you though on the everything but Kakashi awakening His MS faster, i interpret the whole page as showing how it was happening at the same time, guess we'll have to wait to see what anime will show

 

[Aertes]

Regardless. Optic nerve has to mutate and create a complete link from brain to eye in case of awakening/upgrade. that would allow turn on/off sharingan. None of that happened cuz kakashi has no KKG which makes it happen.

So by your theory since there was no 'mutation' and Obito did the whole job,it's only logical that Kakashi wouldn't be able to go from base sharningan to MS.Obito would have to do that for him every time,as he awakened his MS.But it seems that Kakashi can willingly turn his MS on/off.

Omg the hell i care how chakra travels in this case. Kishi never explained any of that, but hey nagato was controlling pain with chakra and naruto could see it in the air. Same would be kabuto controlling his edos. In this particular case close distance is a must for image sharing, but link between eyes is long range.

Yes and Nagato and SM Kabuto are on the same level with 13year old Obito.And it's not about the chakra traveling through the air,it's about the whole process of the awakening.It happened as the same time.Simultaneously.And why are you forgetting Obito's own words?? "....Even awakening the mangekyo" Obito was trained by Madara,which seemed to know everything about sharingan,he even had EMS,I am pretty sure Obito's knowledge about sharingan is good too,if it was him who had awakened it,he would be sure to tell that to Kakashi.

No u dont. Sasuke can use both MS eyes fairly easy, since get go. kakashi could barely walk, and fainted if used kamui twice.
This is difference in chakra reserves, stamina and lack of KKG, but u choose to ignore that and go by scepticism right?
And dont throw unrelated info and argument here.

Of course I don't.It's called irony.I was being sarcastic.
You are the one throwing unrelated info here.Of course I take into consideration Kakashi's stamina problems.But that's unrelated to the argument(as Sasuke is too).
At first,you claimed that Kakashi was exhausted and passed out by using 1 raikiri to Rin and by using his base sharingan for a little while.Now you are talking about using MS twice.
At that point,there was no indication of a fight,Kakashi and Rin were running from the missing nins,Kakashi used his sharingan for a while(not even for fighting purposes) and 1 raikiri.And you think that exhausted him to the level that he fainted??Ok,how can you back up this claim?At that moment,after Kakashi killed Rin and let her fall he looked fine.He was only crying.No signs of extremely exhaustion or anything.
He only lost consciousness after the full awakening of his MS.If Obito was responsible for the awakening and it was his chakra that did it,Kakashi wouldn't faint after the MS activation,because he wouldn't have wasted any chakra in that process.

 

[shelke]

^ It's funny that Kakashi has Kamui. This alone puts this thread's logic to level zero, as Obito had it at a very crude when when he was at 2T. And lo and behold, Kakashi has it after time-skip when Obito was becoming proficient with it.

 

[Naruto.]

Good theory. It's likely.

 

[SadSasuke]

This is depressing XD

 

[AlphaScythian]

So by your theory since there was no 'mutation' and Obito did the whole job,it's only logical that Kakashi wouldn't be able to go from base sharningan to MS.Obito would have to do that for him every time,as he awakened his MS.But it seems that Kakashi can willingly turn his MS on/off.

There is no indication nerve has changed due to MS. As it only indicated more chakra output. As i said b4 if the awakening would come from kakashi then nerve would mutate properly and would create on/off option.

Yes and Nagato and SM Kabuto are on the same level with 13year old Obito.And it's not about the chakra traveling through the air,it's about the whole process of the awakening.It happened as the same time.Simultaneously.And why are you forgetting Obito's own words?? "....Even awakening the mangekyo" Obito was trained by Madara,which seemed to know everything about sharingan,he even had EMS,I am pretty sure Obito's knowledge about sharingan is good too,if it was him who had awakened it,he would be sure to tell that to Kakashi.

Why would he tell anything lol? What own words of obito am i forgetting?

Of course I don't.It's called irony.I was being sarcastic.
You are the one throwing unrelated info here.Of course I take into consideration Kakashi's stamina problems.But that's unrelated to the argument(as Sasuke is too).

U dont analyse kakashi's stamina properly, neither u understand why did i use sasuke here... -.-

At first,you claimed that Kakashi was exhausted and passed out by using 1 raikiri to Rin and by using his base sharingan for a little while.Now you are talking about using MS twice.
At that point,there was no indication of a fight,Kakashi and Rin were running from the missing nins,Kakashi used his sharingan for a while(not even for fighting purposes) and 1 raikiri.And you think that exhausted him to the level that he fainted??Ok,how can you back up this claim?At that moment,after Kakashi killed Rin and let her fall he looked fine.He was only crying.No signs of extremely exhaustion or anything.
He only lost consciousness after the full awakening of his MS.If Obito was responsible for the awakening and it was his chakra that did it,Kakashi wouldn't faint after the MS activation,because he wouldn't have wasted any chakra in that process.

As i said b4 sharingan always drains chakra from kakashi. U say they werent running? I say it would make all sense if they did as kakashi isnt one to fail detecting 30 or more ninjas, nor he had power to face them.
And yes ur right. Kakashi wouldnt faint after MS activation as there is no indication it takes chakra for that. However it starts draining more and kakashi was near his limit already, so he fainted due to his own poor chakra.

 

[foxyladyland]

^ It's funny that Kakashi has Kamui. This alone puts this thread's logic to level zero, as Obito had it at a very crude when when he was at 2T. And lo and behold, Kakashi has it after time-skip when Obito was becoming proficient with it.

Kakashi used Obito's eye(gift) and learned other opponents jutsu
Obito hasn't been seen to have done that yet, am I right?

Logic : Kakashi used an Uchiha's sharingan for the purpose it was meant for (or known for rather)
and Obito did not.. and hasn't before or after his that boulder hit him.

now Obito using Kamui at 2T doesn't mean he first used it at 2T since we never saw if he unlocked it to escape the boulder.
Zetsu could've brought him down there to Madara ... and maybe contact with Zetsu reacted to Obito's sharingan
since Zetsu can travel and is part of hashirama and the mazou is the birth source, while obito is encased with Zetsu
to be brought to madara, it affected his sharingan and uchiha dna and possibly made kamui/ or his body phase and slip through zetsu's grasp... and zetsu informed madara or madara noticed it and realized how strong and useful Obito could become. He then wanted Obito's other eye back so he could see his full potential and had zetsu watching the battle before Obito's *death via boulder* and Obito encased in zetsu , being in range of Kakashi while killing Rin
made Obito's presence help kickstart or allow Kakashi's eye to start which running out of chakra after that chidori combined with the MS causing Kakashi to faint... Obito has zetsu which was a main factor in the MS activating from afar.

 

[shelke]

^ Actually he did. As clearly stated by Madara: "You seemed to have slipped through it." The fact that Kakashi has a mimicked ability proves this thread wrong.

 

[God of TryHards]

fail thread is fail!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

each panel shows the steps (slow motion) upon awakening the MS. You SHOULD see it as steps 1-8. IT HAPPENED AT THE SAME TIME KID! Kishi isnt going to draw 16 panels, of which half of them would be the same drawing (reffering to the eyes). You can't take it literally. smfh the intelligence of some people is laughable hahaha.

 

[foxyladyland]

^ Actually he did. As clearly stated by Madara: "You seemed to have slipped through it." The fact that Kakashi has a mimicked ability proves this thread wrong.

It doesn't really *prove* this thread wrong seeing as how it was Obito's eye in the first place.
If Itachi gave his eye away to Kakashi do you think Kakashi would learn totally different eye jutsu
or jutsu based off of who the eye came from?

Obito being close could have allowed Kakashi's eye the ability to go MS.. So what im saying is
Kakashi would have learned the jutsu that the original bearer of *his* borrowed Sharingan would have learned..

From birth the eyes are set on a particular jutsu setsup ..
example: If Obito was given Itachi's eyes , then he would have learned Tsukuyomi instead of Kamui ..

fail thread is fail!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

each panel shows the steps (slow motion) upon awakening the MS. You SHOULD see it as steps 1-8. IT HAPPENED AT THE SAME TIME KID! Kishi isnt going to draw 16 panels, of which half of them would be the same drawing (reffering to the eyes). You can't take it literally. smfh the intelligence of some people is laughable hahaha.

save your insults. If you don't quite understand that's ok.
Im hoping you're aware that this manga is read from right to left..
In the 3rd panel it clearly shows Kakashi's eye (R) without the pupil.. and on the (L) Obito's eye still has the pupil in it...
the (R)Right panel comes before the panel on the (L)Left.
When I say separately I don't mean at completely different time periods as if it were a minutes difference or even 30 seconds.

Separately: Same time , but different resources, separate users, separate and different catalysts.
Obito and Kakashi are separate , yet close together in range within a radius of each other on the field.

 

[Aertes]

There is no indication nerve has changed due to MS. As it only indicated more chakra output. As i said b4 if the awakening would come from kakashi then nerve would mutate properly and would create on/off option.

Actually no, it's not due to chakra output.If that was the case Kakashi would have been able to turn base sharingan on/off.But he can't,because the 2 tomoe Obito gave him,was already activated.On the other hand, he can turn on/off his MS.If awakening the base sharingan is a requirement to turn it on/off,I don't see why it's not a requirement for turning on/off MS.

Why would he tell anything lol? What own words of obito am i forgetting?

I mean Obito told him that he got proficient in using his left and also told him that he got the mangekyo.Why would he tell him something like this if it wasn't true on the first place??Obito didn't have any reason to do that.

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U dont analyse kakashi's stamina properly, neither u understand why did i use sasuke here...-.-

I do.It just doesn't make sense that Kakashi was alright and didn't seem to have any signs of exhaustion and after 2 second he fainted.This can't be due to base sharingan usage.Even when Kakashi can't even move he seem exhausted at first and then he just can't move his body.He never fainted.That claim is not backed up from any manga evidence.It's just your speculation and I disagree.

As i said b4 sharingan always drains chakra from kakashi. U say they werent running? I say it would make all sense if they did as kakashi isnt one to fail detecting 30 or more ninjas, nor he had power to face them.
And yes ur right. Kakashi wouldnt faint after MS activation as there is no indication it takes chakra for that. However it starts draining more and kakashi was near his limit already, so he fainted due to his own poor chakra.

No,I said they were RUNNING from the Mist nins but not FIGHTING them.It would help to understand if you try to use your reading skills to the fullest.
And Tobirama himself said that chakra sprouts to the brain to make the sharingan awake.Of course it takes chakra to awake it and keep it active.You are falling into contradictions and inconsistencies.
Chakra is required to awake the MS and to activate it.It drains Kakashi even more since he isn't an Uchiha.Kakashi fainted due to chakra exhaustion which resulted from activating his MS and not from running for a while with base sharingan active.

 

[shelke]

@Foxylady Look, sweet-heart the ability is an exact mimicry of Obito's Kamui; the exact mimicry. Even when the eye advanced, it developed in the EXACT same manner as Obito's did. If these arguments hold truth, then this thread is false. Obito gave 2T to Kakashi, and yet, his Tomoes have been developing, why? As Obito's have been mutating as well.

Technically speaking, Kakashi's eye should have never advanced beyond 2T, as we saw that Mizukage's bodyguard has a Byakugan, but lacks the capability to perform the advanced Buyakugan techniques related to the Doujutsu, as the original user must never have advanced beyond the basics.

Similar is the case with Danzo. He doesn't seem to know how to perform anything other than a Genjutsu level illusion which is a far cry from KA.

A non-Uchiha lacks the genetic traits to cause the Sharingan to mutate. Since the other eye is also Obito's, it mimics whatever traits and mutations Obito's eye possesses or goes through. The mutation factor of the Sharingan is solely linked to Uchiha Genetics and nothing else.

People need to accept this that Kakashi is where he is in regards to Sharngan, thanks to Obito's progression.

 

[Drāgy]

Amazing theory. Good job foxy!

 

[foxyladyland]

@Foxylady Look, sweet-heart the ability is an exact mimicry of Obito's Kamui; the exact mimicry. Even when the eye advanced, it developed in the EXACT same manner as Obito's did. If these arguments hold truth, then this thread is false. Obito gave 2T to Kakashi, and yet, his Tomoes have been developing, why? As Obito's have been mutating as well.

Technically speaking, Kakashi's eye should have never advanced beyond 2T, as we saw that Mizukage's bodyguard has a Byakugan, but lacks the capability to perform the advanced Buyakugan techniques related to the Doujutsu, as the original user must never have advanced beyond the basics.

Similar is the case with Danzo. He doesn't seem to know how to perform anything other than a Genjutsu level illusion which is a far cry from KA.

A non-Uchiha lacks the genetic traits to cause the Sharingan to mutate. Since the other eye is also Obito's, it mimics whatever traits and mutations Obito's eye possesses or goes through. The mutation factor of the Sharingan is solely linked to Uchiha Genetics and nothing else.

People need to accept this that Kakashi is where he is in regards to Sharngan, thanks to Obito's progression.

that makes sense Lol but I cant edit my OP so this is an example of what I meant
Obito/Zetsu being close enough for Kakashi's eye to react with Obito's.
Kakashi's distraught over Killing Rin allowed him to awaken MS because Obito's eyes were together.
as in they awakened MS at the same time , but separately... each on his own but because Obito was close by...
example : same time but separately (hypothetical) Itachi and Shisui awaken MS in the same moment, but each on his own
circumstances.

Amazing theory. Good job foxy!

thanks