[Discussion] If God is all-knowing, then what's the point?

Vilvake

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You have a christian family but you don't know the answer? Okay, no problems. I have a simple answer.

God created Adam and Eve. And he said to them, ''if you eat a fruit from the forbidden tree, you will die and you won't be able to live in heaven. You will be able to know what sin is. etc etc''
So Adam and Eve broke the rule (ate the apple from the forbidden tree) and were banned from heaven. Their descendants won't be able to live in heaven, only if they believe in God and respect his orders.
We weren't supposed to live in Earth but in heaven. That's all.

Cause the serial-killer believed in God. He understod the point that there are only 2 choices. Heaven or Hell, peace or torture.
No matter what you have done in your life, if you don't believe in God you can't just go to heaven. You should believe in your creater. If you don't, then...it isn't logical going to heaven.
I won't talk more. Your questions look so stupid and foolishy.

But, you are right at this:
Why God created us, even if he knows who will go to heaven and who will go to hell?

You can't acknowledge he's all-knowing in some issues, and then conveniently forget that in others. If God is able to know who will go to heaven, and who will go to hell, then he also knew that Adam and Eve would eat the forbidden fruit when he told them not to.
 

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You can't acknowledge he's all-knowing in some issues, and then conveniently forget that in others. If God is able to know who will go to heaven, and who will go to hell, then he also knew that Adam and Eve would eat the forbidden fruit when he told them not to.

It's just a story.... I believe in God.... But saying everthing is decided and that God knows who will go to heaven and who to hell is wrong.... It contradicts the statement God loves us.... Because if he has written joy in one's life and misery in others,Heaven in one's destiny and hell in others then it makes God look biased but then again God loves us all.... So He gave us a conscious mind to chose what we want to do and what path we want to walk onto.... Nothing is written by God.... He just gives us life.... We write our own destiny.... He gives us multiple ideas.... But we chose our dreams....
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first let me tell you that i dont have anything against religion, i think it is necessary to keep people in check.
having god and devil, meaning when you do good god will give your eternal happiness. when you do bad devil will put your through eternal pain and suffering.

tbh i dont think god or devil exist, i think alot of people feel the same.
i reason why they put their faith in religion inspite of knowing that such things dont exist, because we human beings are social animal(majority of base people might disagrree with this cuzz many of them might not have a social life... oh well LOL) and we above all are creative and smart and want harmony and peace in society.
thus the concept of religion god and devil to make people believe or even just make them have second thoughts before doing anything bad that their is a higher power above them that they have to answer to.
 

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Never was it said in the bible that sinners would be disadvantaged in this earth as we are in now. God LOVES non christians just as much as christians!!. It is however mentioned that GOD is pure and cannot behold impurity(evil deeds are clear to humans and God alike), Christians are people that have repented of the sin (impurity) because they want to communicate with God. Sinners will not be disadvantaged but they cannot communicate with God.

Why do we communicate with God? Because he knows past present and future, he knows what path leads to our genuine happiness.

Sinners can find a way to true happiness(this is different from success, wealth) just as christians can but it will take longer because they cannot approach the inside man for hints(whilst making descisions).

The only time sinners will be disadvantaged is after death and that is not because of the cruelness of God, it is because as i mentioned above he cannot behold sin. So the choice to go to hell where the devil runs as he pleases (not God's doing) is up to the individual and the pain and suffering being caused in hell to the sinners that end up there is down the the devil's administration of the place that God cannot behold.

God's boundaries (just like how your personal boundaries) are fully known and suffering is brought about by the choices of humans.

I dont understand the last line of your post however

Am aware of the bold, and it is evident you do not know your bible. You claim that Sinners will not be disadvantaged, save only after death and that is actually false. Firstly, what is written in red is conjecture as according to Scripture, nothing takes place after death and the Dead know's nothing; having no conscience.

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We are all formed of the dust of the ground + Gods spirit, re-translated 'Rauch'; the breath of life.

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Not even solomon was aware of what transpires after death, how do you? but he says it clearly that at death God's breath returns to him, and we whiter to dust and our memory forgotten.

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Sinners including those who are alive will be punished when Jesus returns on earth to establish Gods kingdom:
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God is the progenitor of all things, There is no other 'God' besides him. He creates both Good and evil:

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Everything you said about the devil Ruling hell, isn't scriptural supported. Honestly, by reading your post you don't even know what is the 'Devil' (A personification of sin in the flesh), or 'hell' (sheol being the Hebrew translation, a covering place) as a matter of fact. If you had rudimentary conceptualizations of such things; tracking back to the original Greek and Hebrew via a Concordance, maybe then you will have a better understanding. However there are parts of your argument i can agree with. The last line: God giving us free will and the ability to think for ourselves is indeed a sign of true love as he could have made us, robotic.
 
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I really love some of these questions, especially the first one. If God exists, our fates are already sealed. He chooses whether you go to hell or heaven, whether you are good or evil, healthy or sick. It's just hilarious :) You can do whatever you want and it's God who made you do it.

Also love the question about who created God. It doesn't make sense at all. This is the reason why many people believe in God, because they can't understand how it all started. So they believe God created it all. But what created God? Everything has to come from something. This is something that I don't think can ever be explained though, so I'm not even remotely going to try.
 

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A quote I like to use when answering these questions.

If your teacher knows you're gonna fail a test, is it there fault you failed? Or is it your fault, since you didn't try to pass?
 

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not sure if this has been so sorry if it has

this is a simpler way to look at things.

remember those books where as you read you could choose from a couple different paths. and you flipped to that page and continued to there. now the author of the books knows what can happen when you choose the different paths how theres a good path and a bad path and a path that can lead to both but doesn't directly influence your choice.

now take that example and apply it to your question.

God is the author of the book, knowing the paths you could take and what they lead too but doesn't directly influence you one way or the other, that's not to say he's abandoned you completely he just won't directly influence you. he'll send real friends to help you down the good path.
 

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A quote I like to use when answering these questions.

That quote isn't directly applicable. For it to be, you would have to make it so that the teacher picked specific students to be given a modified test; one that is impossible to pass. The teacher knows very well they will fail, but he gives them the test anyway.
 

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Its your fault for not asking for help :|
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Mate, you do understand you just answered the question correctly and thus you've contradicted yourself.

You ask for help (pray to God for guidance) and essentially you'll "pass the test".
 

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Mate, you do understand you just answered the question correctly and thus you've contradicted yourself.

You ask for help (pray to God for guidance) and essentially you'll "pass the test".
Contradicted myself wrong in what sense? That is my first post on the thread :|
 

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That quote isn't directly applicable. For it to be, you would have to make it so that the teacher picked specific students to be given a modified test; one that is impossible to pass. The teacher knows very well they will fail, but he gives them the test anyway.

It's a standard test/exam/SAC (whatever you wanna call it), and it can actually be applied in a general term. How? Because the teacher has seen the students progression, behavior (ETC) during the term/semester and has came to conclusion that he/she will fail (God knows that the man/women is astray from the path and thus will burn). But, he/she TRIES their best and asks for help (God's guidance) and it'll lead to the opposite.
 

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Contradicted myself wrong in what sense? That is my first post on the thread :|

Hahaha, just saw the title, posted, you replied and said "next" and thought you were the OP. Quite the foundo effort eh xD
 

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When that B!tch of eve ate that apple , this world when to hell
 
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