Establishing Why: Naruto and Madara are the strongest team

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Establishing why Naruto and Madara are the strongest team


In this thread I'm going to detail how Naruto and Edo Madara are essentially an invincible combo. Aside from the fact that they're both top tiers of the Narutoverse, in going to go into detail about how their respective abilities compliment the others so well. Enjoy!


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Madara's Kyuubi Cloak

The most basic way Naruto can help Madara is by giving him a portion if the Kyuubi's Chakra. This will strengthen Madara's Jutsu's and put them on an even larger scale than before. This is also the first step in creating their impenetrable defense.

As we can see in the following scan, Naruto gave thousands of Ninjas the Kyuubi cloak. Base on this, Naruto can give Madara many more times that chakra than he gave the Shinobi Alliance.
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He can also give Madara's Mukuton Bunshin the cloak. Due the increase in power we see all Of the Alliance Shinobi's Jutsu gaining, we can imagine how much more durable the MokuBunshin's will become and the scale if their Jutsu.
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This Cloak literally multiplies the receivers power multiple times. Great enough to the point where Hinata's Hakke Koushou went from downing zetsus to blowing away the Juubi's hand
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This power up Naruto gives Madara will play a large part in their crossover abilities.

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Perfect Biju Mode:

As we've seen done with the Kyuubi, Madara is capable of using shape manipulation to the highest degree with Susano'O. He can form Armour with even the highest level of Susano'O and place it on tailed beasts
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With this we have the recipe for the strongest defense we've that exists in the manga.

I will present the best tanking feats of both modes.

Here the Perfect Susano'O tanks Bijudama, giving the Final Advent Mountain buster durability:
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Here, Bijudama tanks the Juubi's laser Bijudama (although it had clashed with Continous Bijudama prior):
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This two layer defense alone is impregnable to all offensives that could be mounted in the manga. The Juubi's Bijudama variants are the only attacks I could even imagine making it through.

But it doesn't end there. Naruto's Kyuubi cloak that he can give Madara will increase the durability of Perfect Susano'O exponentially.

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How Madara Supports Naruto:

Madara has shown to be able to increase the power of Bijudama by merging it with his Susano'O sword:
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He can go as far as to upgrade Naruto's Continous Bijudama, Each with a Susano'O sword, creating a very fast and destructive attack:
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Due to the innate nature of how Susano'O and Preta path work, Madara cannot use them at the same time. This is easily remidied with a MokuBunshin. Adding another layer to their defense, a MokuBunshin can stand on the PBM's head and block any Ninjutsu with Preta Path:
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Another useful upgrade from Naruto's Kyuubi cloak That Madara received starts coming into play. Before receiving the upgrade, Madara's knead/release capabilities didn't allow him to use other Jutsu's while he was using perfect Susano'O.

Due to the Kyuubi cloak, Madara's knead/release will increase massively similar to how Naruto's own increases when he uses the cloak.

Using the PBM as base, Madara can use Mokuton such as Jukai Korin to attack the opponant. Madara's MokuBunshin can also merge into the Mokuton and follow up the attack.
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How Naruto supports Madara:

We've already covered a major way how Naruto supports Madara. Though there are a few more ways Naruto supports him.

We've already established that Naruto's Kyuubi cloak will increase the scale of Madara's Jutsu's. yet there's another way to increase their power. He can have one of his Kage Bunshin throw Fuuton: RasenShruiken into te Katon after Madara has cast the Jutsu to yet again increase its power.

This is this is Madara's regular size Katon:
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I dare say the after math if the two increases would dwarf even Katon: Gamayu Endan (Toad Flame Bullet)


We still havnt tapped into Naruto's Kuchiyose. He can summon 3 boss toads to further increase the number of giant adversaries that the victim is facing.

Naruto can even add a Genjutsu to the mix with Gama Rinsho in Fusaku and Shima who can also mix oil and more Fuuton with Madara's Katons, creating an ocean of Goemon.

Naruo can even throw his Kage Bunshin hat into the fold and ad his RM Kage Bunshin.

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The Big Finish

Ultimate Bijudama is Naruto's strongest attack. It's also the strongest attack we've seen in the manga outside of the Juubi's Bijudama. The biggest reason this team is so deadly is their ability to pull this move off without a hitch.

The Ultimate Bijudama requires some charge as we've seen:
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Given that its a bit harder for Naruto do this on his own. He needs to use a BM Kage Bunshin to help him mold the Chakra.

Madara can cover Naruto flawlessly with Jukai Korin, Tengai Shinsei, and PS Slash:
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Provided that the enemy has made it through all the previous attacks. This finishes them off:
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So you think this duo can take on 6 Edo Jinchuriki who combined can continuously use a bijuudama on par with BD Flash, Edo Deidara who can continuously use c0, Edo Sasori who has 300 top tier shinobi puppets, Edo Kakuzu who can continuously create storms, Edo Muu with jinton, Edo Itachi with the ultimate shield that repels everything, and lastly Haku who Naruto had a thing for.

Nah, I don't think they can do it.
 

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So you think this duo can take on 6 Edo Jinchuriki who combined can continuously use a bijuudama on par with BD Flash, Edo Deidara who can continuously use c0, Edo Sasori who has 300 top tier shinobi puppets, Edo Kakuzu who can continuously create storms, Edo Muu with jinton, Edo Itachi with the ultimate shield that repels everything, and lastly Haku who Naruto had a thing for.

Nah, I don't think they can do it.

Edo Sasori didn't have his didn't have his puppets and I'm pretty sure Kakuzu didn't have his hearts. Kabuto can't control the Biju. And Itachi's Yata was never stated to be indestructible but only not to be subject to attack type. Regardless Itachi would get swallowed up by the sheer AoE of their attacks.
 

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Wow, nice analysis. Have some rep for such an interesting read and effort.
 

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kabuto and obito are the strongest team. naruto has been shown to be ineffective vs obi without considerable backup
 

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Without the Madara Edo. No he does not.

I didn't spend 3 hours on this thread to let that peasant Kabuto beat them
peasant? yeah because he didnt just summon 30+ s-rank ninjas to do his bidding and take 6 nations ot stop him or anything...just because he hasnt been portrayed as a beast as much as mads has, doesnt mean hes not a beast. i even think he probably doesnt need ET to handle madara for quite a while. liquid mode dissipates any attack besides PS slash. white rage messes up madaras senses and focus.
 

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kabuto and obito are the strongest team. naruto has been shown to be ineffective vs obi without considerable backup

Naruto alone solo's Obito. There's multiple reasons why Naruto didn't hit him.

- He couldn't use Tajuu Kage Bunshin
- Couldn't use Shunshin because of Debris flying around. After that they already had the Kamui strategy.

I don't see why Narutobase fights this so much. Mangafox accepts this as common knowledge and their much more intellectual than Narutobase (probably why Mangafox was te only place where I took debating seriously)


peasant? yeah because he didnt just summon 30+ s-rank ninjas to do his bidding and take 6 nations ot stop him or anything...just because he hasnt been portrayed as a beast as much as mads has, doesnt mean hes not a beast. i even think he probably doesnt need ET to handle madara for quite a while. liquid mode dissipates any attack besides PS slash. white rage messes up madaras senses and focus.

Obvious exaggeration wasn't obvious to you?

All those S-Rank Ninja can't do anything to this combo. Hakugeki wot affect them when they're using BM and PS, and especially when they're not combined. Hydraphication doesn't matter in te face of Bijudama, PS Slash, FRS, Goemon, Gouka Mekkyakū (Enhanced) and multiple high level attacks. Not to mention he hasn't been hyped to or even shown to fully liquify, only partially.

Hydraucation is a non factor to high damage attacks.

Kabuto's own abilities don't matter here. He's fodder before these two.
 
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Kyuubi breaks Naruto out of KA.

KA is also short range. They won't get close enough.

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Your sig almost had me rolling on the floor.

KA cannot be broken since you can't tell someone controls you.
 
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KA cannot be broken since you can't tell someone controls you.

Mufune was broken out as soon as he knew he was in it.

The Genjutsu only affects Naruto or Madara. Madara either tells Naruto he's under the Genjutsu (can tell with Sharingan) and its broken. Or the Kyuubi breaks him out since the Kyuubi can feel Naruto's chakra.
 

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Itachi beats Naruto with Izanami lol. Btw Izanami cant be dispelled by Kurama. And Kabuto alone will solo Edo Madara high diff.
 

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Btw Danzo solos both.

KA to Madara.

10 minutes of Izanami outlasts Narutos time limit in BM. Then all Danzo has to do is beat Base Naruto, which is easy.
 

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Btw Danzo solos both.

KA to Madara.

10 minutes of Izanami outlasts Narutos time limit in BM. Then all Danzo has to do is beat Base Naruto, which is easy.

Naruto can tell Madara that he's under a Genjutsu and its dispelled. Kurama breaks KA on Naruto.

SM Naruto beats Danzo. Kyuubi doesn't need to get involved.

KA is still short range which he won't get close enough to use.

Itachi beats Naruto with Izanami lol. Btw Izanami cant be dispelled by Kurama. And Kabuto alone will solo Edo Madara high diff.

Izanami won't work on Naruto. It only works on the "internally lost", that's the whole basis of the Jutsu. You have no basis to say Kurama can't break it.

Kabuto alone has no chance against Madara.
 

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Don't be a troll meido, Naruto dumps on Itachi.

Izanami won't work for reasons DA has already stated.

- He isn't "internally lost"
- it requires physical touch which he won't get on Naruto
- Kurama breaks it. It doesn't have anything that makes unbreakable.

KA also won't work.

- Kurama breaks it or tells Naruto he's in a Genjutsu and breaks it.



Danzo gets solo'ed by SM Naruto or KM Naruto. He's fodder once Naruto enters KM and a single clone deals with him.
 
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Izanami and KA won't work on Naruto.

And Naruto can break Madara out if KA and Itachi can get close either to use Izanami.
 

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LoL at the kabuto D riders thinking he can do anything to this.
The only team that beats this is Minato + Rinnegan obito. Now, they are the perfect team.

Minato saves obito from his kamui flaws, obito saves minato from Ftg drawbacks.
Minato redircts large attacks, or they both say **** that and leave.
For the ultimate finisher? RDS. As long as 1 team mate survives, it's a win.
 

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LoL at the kabuto D riders thinking he can do anything to this.
The only team that beats this is Minato + Rinnegan obito. Now, they are the perfect team.

Minato saves obito from his kamui flaws, obito saves minato from Ftg drawbacks.
Minato redircts large attacks, or they both say **** that and leave.
For the ultimate finisher? RDS. As long as 1 team mate survives, it's a win.


Naruto wouldn't even need BM against that. His speed exceeds eithers reactions.
 
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