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Exactly.^
Speed's one of Gaara weaknesses..
Lee lost. Zzz
Exactly.^
Speed's one of Gaara weaknesses..
Actually, you did.no i never said that.
And as I stated before, none of them does.I just gave you too of his most common defences which would already beat Ay.
And A will hide himself/get out of the battlefield untill Gaara'll tired or till he'll give up and get down.. A isn't too clever, but he isn't dumb as well.He can always fly
WTFand rain hell from the sky
use random sand hands near his feat to hold him.
A's too fast for that, even if he *does* fall in the trap, he's just fast enough to get away.or use sand clones that will break and trap ay when he attacks them mistaking them for gaara.
Haven't seen that, and besides A's too damn fast for this(!)He can even use sand substitutions in critical moments.
But A's too fast for his traps, if that's what you were planning..He could sit in his sand sphere with a sand eye out.
Yeah, but none of them's gonna beat A.there's a plethora of things he could do.
OMGWithout any sort of ninjutsu, Ay dies miserably. Ay is the 2nd weakest kage.
Lee lost. Zzz
Actually i never did. I stated three things that effectively countered Ay. I'm notorious for writing 1000 word counters, i don't feel like it right now.Actually, you did.
They all do. Ay has no way of getting to a flying gaara. He can't get through sand sphere. He can't differentiate sand clones. He can't avoid quick sand. He avoid sand hands that randomly appear at his feet.And as I stated before, none of them does.
What are you talking about? If ay leaves, how would gaara get tired? He just goes back to the ground and throws up some sensing sand. If ay runs THAT far away that he's out of gaara's reach, gaara would sense him long before he gets near him. That's if ay is even able to run out of gaara's reach, which is already a loss as he retreated from the battlefield. He already loses.And A will hide himself/get out of the battlefield untill Gaara'll tired or till he'll give up and get down.. A isn't too clever, but he isn't dumb as well.
Deidara Vs gaara. It was a figure of speech.
Because that's how he fights, obviously. Apparently, you don't even know how gaara fights. He always uses sand hands/sand at the opponents feet to trap them.
why would he do that for?
He can't. As soon as he hits them, his hand is trapped. he'd just press his hand into sand and lose to a sand coffin.A's too fast for that, even if he *does* fall in the trap, he's just fast enough to get away.
lee vs GaaraHaven't seen that, and besides A's too damn fast for this(!)
I was implying ay has no way of getting through sand sphere. Sasuke vs gaara, he can manipulate the sphere into spikes. Without a sharingan, ay dies trying to even hit it.But A's too fast for his traps, if that's what you were planning..
Except they all will. Especially desert quick sand trap.Yeah, but none of them's gonna beat A.
Ay is weak. He's fast and barely that strong. Because he's an arrogant tool who mouths off, people hop on his ****. He's pathetically weak. The only kage he could even challenge is tsunade only because it'd be taijutsu vs taijutsu. And, even then, katsuya could trap him and if tsunade gets a hit in, he's crippled. And no, he can't decapitate someone on his own, else a team mate for double lariat would be unnecessary.Infact, i'd go as far as saying he's the weakest current kage, with mei being the only one he could possibly kill because raiton > suiton.OMG
From all the current LIVING (not edo) Kages, A's the strongest one. If you disagree, I really don't know what to tell you.. >.>
So does Ay. Ay is exactly like lee.Lee had only speed.
Raikage has also strength + lightning armor (not like the 3rd's lightning armor, but still good)
From all the current LIVING (not edo) Kages, A's the strongest one.
Ay is weak. He's fast and barely that strong.
Now you're just lying to yourself ^^Actually i never did.
Everything you said, I countered back.I stated three things that effectively countered Ay. I'm notorious for writing 1000 word counters, i don't feel like it right now.
You really didn't read what I said -.-They all do. Ay has no way of getting to a flying gaara. He can't get through sand sphere. He can't differentiate sand clones. He can't avoid quick sand. He avoid sand hands that randomly appear at his feet.
Because will stay flying like, umm forever, not knowing where is A? or even if he left oris just still close? Gaara will get down sometime, and A'll knock him off that moment. A is much faster. Please don't argue with that ZzzWhat are you talking about? If ay leaves, how would gaara get tired?
DAFUQ I just readHe just goes back to the ground and throws up some sensing sand. If ay runs THAT far away that he's out of gaara's reach, gaara would sense him long before he gets near him. That's if ay is even able to run out of gaara's reach, which is already a loss as he retreated from the battlefield. He already loses.
Yep, just another way to prove my pointDeidara Vs gaara. It was a figure of speech.
And A's fast enough to get away easily, really, I'm repeating what I've said before - just that you don't read.Because that's how he fights, obviously. Apparently, you don't even know how gaara fights. He always uses sand hands/sand at the opponents feet to trap them.
No. Listen: A's fast. Very fast. Extremely fast. But even if we suppose in your imaginery way that he'll get trapped - he's strong enough to free himself. A Lol's at GaaraHe can't. As soon as he hits them, his hand is trapped.
And your point is..? Comparing Lee to A is a hell of a mistake man, A >>> Lee, please don't try arguing with that >.>lee vs Gaara
A breaks Gaara's sphere, as easily as that. Gaara's sand isn't a match for A's strength. The only thing it may do is catch him or anything, but as I said before - A's fast enough and strong enough to set himself free, meaning Gaara cannot lay a hand on him for more than 1/2 sec. LolI was implying ay has no way of getting through sand sphere. Sasuke vs gaara, he can manipulate the sphere into spikes.
WTFWithout a sharingan, ay dies trying to even hit it.
Nope, read what I said.Except they all will. Especially desert quick sand trap.
Actually, he has some big strength, but who knows, maybe you haven't noticed that so far...Ay is weak.
***** Pleasebarely that strong.
I told you: A's not too clever, but he ain't dumb.Because he's an arrogant tool who mouths off, people hop on his ****.
OMG, I hope you are trolling around here >.>He's pathetically weak.
A owns Tsunade manThe only kage he could even challenge is tsunade only because it'd be taijutsu vs taijutsu.
Nope. A kicks Katsuya. Pretty much A kicks Katsuya and TsunadeAnd, even then, katsuya could trap him and if tsunade gets a hit in, he's crippled.
Soo wrong manAnd no, he can't decapitate someone on his own, else a team mate for double lariat would be unnecessary.
Ok, listen very well. A>Tsunade, already said. A>Mei, even you said, A>Gaara, I already proved that. So we're left with Onuki.. ***** please, A just punches him once and Onuki's dead. Look at him, he cannot stand A's speed, and his jutsu aren't fast enough - A'll just get away, and hit himInfact, i'd go as far as saying he's the weakest current kage, with mei being the only one he could possibly kill because raiton > suiton.
But I'd expect you to read what I wrote and not just keep with your stupid fan ideas.I don't expect you to understand why speed =/= strength.
Already proven to be wrong.PS he isn't that strong.
I actually Lol'd at what you saidTsunade (like madara said) is actually stronger than him (strength wise). Him breaking a susano'o rib with a liger bomb (high speed drop attack) is barely a feat since gravity already added to the force of that attack. Anyway, tl;dr; ay isn't near the strongest kage.

A >>> Lee -.-, and has much better strength and speed, so don't compare them...So does Ay. Ay is exactly like lee.
Actually it's not the same. A>>Gai, A> Gai +Lee, so please don't compare them to A's level.raiton armor is basically the same as opening gates - speed + strength boost just no double-edge-sword sort of draw back.
Eh.. I can't see how he can beat Gaara or Onoki.
Gaara - already said.
And Onoki isn't fast enough to catch up with A's speed. I explained in more details in my prev post![]()
Onoki can fly.
Also Gaara's sand intercepted Ay's attack so huh?
Gaara's sand is too slow to counter Ay's speed blitz
Ay wins without any difficulty
His chakra enchanted sand was fast enough to stop A.
Really i could care less that you misunderstood me and now use it as a counter arguement.Now you're just lying to yourself ^^
tell youself that.Everything you said, I countered back.![]()
let's see... "he's too fast." "He's too fast." "he can jump"You really didn't read what I said -.-
So a guy who has an aerial view of everywhere can't see an idiot running around? He can't see the dust cloud ay's hyper movement would inevitably create? Ay will run around for forever and never get tired, but gaara would off of sitting on sand? Yea, ok. Makes no sense, but cool logic.Because will stay flying like, umm forever, not knowing where is A? or even if he left oris just still close? Gaara will get down sometime, and A'll knock him off that moment. A is much faster. Please don't argue with that Zzz
I've read all what you've said, you apparently don't read mine. Sand sphere already blocks everything ay has. Sand sensing sees his movements before he gets close.DAFUQ I just read
Really, I didn't understand your point here.. ? We all know A's faster then Gaara. If Gaara tries to surprise A, then A can just get away. Gaara has no way of blocking A's attacks, unless flying - but then again, read what I wrote above and on previous posts.
wtf are you talking about? He obviously fought in the sky against deidara. Jesus christ, I can't even believe i'd have to explain why he'd be able to stay in the air and fight ay while all he could do is run... *don't flame. Just stay calm*Yep, just another way to prove my point![]()
No, you don't read. You don't even know how gaara fights either. All your arguements revolve around speed, because speed alone would help him break out of a hold. He can't escape sand that just snuck up on his feet, especially not while looking up in the sky for gaara and his aerial attacks. He's not a sensor like muu.And A's fast enough to get away easily, really, I'm repeating what I've said before - just that you don't read.
Yea, ok. He's fast enough to get away when he himself punched his hand through sand that would bind him then and there, and, without proof, ay is suddenly strong enough to break out of gaara's sand? Kool.No. Listen: A's fast. Very fast. Extremely fast. But even if we suppose in your imaginery way that he'll get trapped - he's strong enough to free himself. A Lol's at Gaara![]()
Comparing 13 year old lee who fought 13 year old to gaara who completely and utterly tanked him, with respect to a gaara who had 3+ years to develop his defences and speed? It's obvious how this goes. That's if raikage is even stronger than a gated lee, as lee and guy can break bone with their gates, also. Ay isn't known as the strongest man, only the fastest(well... second fastest... or third... w.e).And your point is..? Comparing Lee to A is a hell of a mistake man, A >>> Lee, please don't try arguing with that >.>
:leaf: Proof off this goldlike strength please? You're so backed into a corner it isn't funny. Your only arguement is 'fast' enough :leaf: :leaf: :leaf: Know who else is fast? Naruto, and he's been hit many times. Know what else? Gaara shot his sand over 50m before ay completed a high speed liger drop :leaf:A breaks Gaara's sphere, as easily as that. Gaara's sand isn't a match for A's strength. The only thing it may do is catch him or anything, but as I said before - A's fast enough and strong enough to set himself free, meaning Gaara cannot lay a hand on him for more than 1/2 sec. Lol
L2Read the manga. He'd impale on spikes without sharingan precognition.
Yea, 'he's too fast' oh god no he's too fast, oh boy...Nope, read what I said.
Didn't do a thing to susano'o. Broke it's rib only when his strength was boosted? Bee's stronger than him, also. LuL, you must be reading something i am not.Actually, he has some big strength, but who knows, maybe you haven't noticed that so far...
Someone's getting backed into a corner, eh?***** Please
What does that have to do with being an arrogant tool? He's not the smartest ninja out. Sasuke's most likely even smarter than him. And for that matter, the manga disagrees with you. He's an idiot:I told you: A's not too clever, but he ain't dumb.
Run fast. Run faster. Run even faster. That doesn't cut it. Let's take minato and naruto for example. They are both faster, but atleast that's not the only thing they can do. They actually have some destructive moves that can put someone down.OMG, I hope you are trolling around here >.>
Yea, High diff at best. IF he wins through byakugo and katsuya.A owns Tsunade man
Right... Cause kicking a slug does something... A slug that can absorb people and split up... Right...Nope. A kicks Katsuya. Pretty much A kicks Katsuya and Tsunade![]()
I'm wrong, but provides no proof. *Don't know if this is an arguement or a playschool squabble.*Soo wrong man
Just
So
Wrong :\
A > Sasuke MS, he didn't really need his teammates back then, he did most of the job by himself, and would have killed Sasuke if Gaara hadn't showen off.
Ay > Tsunade, no proof. Guess i'm supposed to take your word for it. Yea, ay > mei? So what? I said he's the second weakest kage at best, doesn't mean he isn't the weakest.. He defeats mei, but mei defeats some of the other kage and some other top ninja. muu always flies. Muu fights flying. Ay can never even reach him and that instant jinton cube (which he did on sasuke) or a jinton laser to wipe out the battlefield, or a massive jinton, would all kill ay before he got out of dodge.Ok, listen very well. A>Tsunade, already said. A>Mei, even you said, A>Gaara, I already proved that. So we're left with Onuki.. ***** please, A just punches him once and Onuki's dead. Look at him, he cannot stand A's speed, and his jutsu aren't fast enough - A'll just get away, and hit him
So yeah, from all current Kage's, A's the strongest.
What would have been an intresting match is Danzo vs A![]()
I'm the one with fan idea? Your only arguement is 'fast'. He can get away from anything even though he uses foot speed, and not S/t. He can get away from blind spot attacks even though he isn't a sensor. He can look at gaara in the sky and still see sand at his feet. You make no sense, you're the only one spouting fan garbage here. Infact, I should message genii to come take this over for me, i'm tired of your nonsense.But I'd expect you to read what I wrote and not just keep with your stupid fan ideas.
"He's too fast" Isn't a valid counter, considering he isn't the fastest ninja and he's been blocked on several occasions.Already proven to be wrong.
That's nice? Not like what i said was shown in the manga or anything...I actually Lol'd at what you said![]()
13 year old lee, sure. You have no way of comparing him to 16y/o gated lee. Base lee is a speed demon, gated lee (as a kid) couldn't even be seen. you don't even have proof that he's stronger, only faster (until lee shows what more he has, even though lee was able to blitz madara).A >>> Lee -.-, and has much better strength and speed, so don't compare them...
Gated? Probably by a slight margin if that. His raiton armor is basically like them opening gates.Actually it's not the same. A>>Gai, A> Gai +Lee, so please don't compare them to A's level.![]()
His chakra enchanted sand was fast enough to stop A.
...Really i could care less that you misunderstood me and now use it as a counter arguement.
...tell youself that.
You forgot lightning Armot + Strength. What can Gaara do against it?let's see... "he's too fast." "He's too fast." "he can jump"
Depends on where they are fighting, Lol..So a guy who has an aerial view of everywhere can't see an idiot running around? He can't see the dust cloud ay's hyper movement would inevitably create? Ay will run around for forever and never get tired, but gaara would off of sitting on sand? Yea, ok. Makes no sense, but cool logic.
Actually it seems the opposite, you still haven't proved any of what I said to be wrong, while I proved all your claims to be false. Sand sensing wtf dude, you're totally messed up. It doesn't work like that.I've read all what you've said, you apparently don't read mine. Sand sphere already blocks everything ay has. Sand sensing sees his movements before he gets close.
DAFUQ are you talking about?wtf are you talking about? He obviously fought in the sky against deidara. Jesus christ, I can't even believe i'd have to explain why he'd be able to stay in the air and fight ay while all he could do is run... *don't flame. Just stay calm*
Yes, I did. Actually you didn't read/understand what I said, but my guess you're just trollingNo, you don't read. You don't even know how gaara fights either. All your arguements revolve around speed, because speed alone would help him break out of a hold. He can't escape sand that just snuck up on his feet, especially not while looking up in the sky for gaara and his aerial attacks. He's not a sensor like muu.
Not without proof. Re-read the manga, A's strong enough to get free from Gaara'a sand control. Got any other proof? Got a proof that Gaara'a sand's strength > A's strength? No you don't, and untill you will (probably never) I proved my point.Yea, ok. He's fast enough to get away when he himself punched his hand through sand that would bind him then and there, and, without proof, ay is suddenly strong enough to break out of gaara's sand? Kool.
Ok, now I was like "WtfThat's if raikage is even stronger than a gated lee, as lee and guy can break bone with their gates, also. Ay isn't known as the strongest man, only the fastest(well... second fastest... or third... w.e).
Actually I did prove. No, my arguments are: speed (yes it is an argument), strength, lightning armor. Whats yours? basically flying - I explained how A counters that. Sand traps/bunshin - Also explained how A sets himself free. You've got nothing but a few fan ideas about Gaara, that's all.:leaf: Proof off this goldlike strength please? You're so backed into a corner it isn't funny. Your only arguement is 'fast' enough :leaf: :leaf: :leaf: Know who else is fast? Naruto, and he's been hit many times. Know what else? Gaara shot his sand over 50m before ay completed a high speed liger drop :leaf:
No, I don't see what Sharingan got to with it. But anyway, pretty much any of A's attacks breaks Gaara's sphere,so no argument in here.L2Read the manga. He'd impale on spikes without sharingan precognition.
Fly fly fly fly fly A cant catch Gaara there fly fly fly flyYea, 'he's too fast' oh god no he's too fast, oh boy...
I got a few, but you wouldn't listen. Actually, you should get one, because maybe Gaara can do a harder time for A, but not with your arguments.Get a new arguement.
Agreed, Bee > A, I never said otherwise, but Bee > Sasuke MS also, and?Didn't do a thing to susano'o. Broke it's rib only when his strength was boosted? Bee's stronger than him, also. LuL, you must be reading something i am not.
Yes, and it's youSomeone's getting backed into a corner, eh?
The way you said makes it sounds as if Sasuke's a fool.What does that have to do with being an arrogant tool? He's not the smartest ninja out. Sasuke's most likely even smarter than him. And for that matter, the manga disagrees with you. He's an idiot!!!
If it wasn't for Gaara, Sasuke'd been dead. So yeah, it may have been worth it.Because it's so worth losing your arm, and then almost your leg to not even break through susano'o. Real smart.
Didn't read what I said. And A has also good moves, mainly with his strength, and good defence- with his lightning armor.Run fast. Run faster. Run even faster. That doesn't cut it. Let's take minato and naruto for example. They are both faster, but atleast that's not the only thing they can do. They actually have some destructive moves that can put someone down.
No high diff man, A > Tsunade med diff or low diffYea, High diff at best. IF he wins through byakugo and katsuya.
What would she do? too slow to touch him, the best she can do is split herself and run away.Right... Cause kicking a slug does something... A slug that can absorb people and split up... Right...
I did prove. I told you to look back at Sasuke vs A, but you ignored the parts you didn't want to read, so don't come out mad at me.I'm wrong, but provides no proof. *Don't know if this is an arguement or a playschool squabble.*
Nuh, double lariat ain't his only move, and besides - he has lariat with himself(like bee has), it's pretty strong by itself.He had no team mate to double lariat with. He would have died.
He did hurt Sasuke.. And would've broken it if it wasnt for Gaara. We both know Susano'o wouldn't have tanked the hit, so stop making a fun of yourself.He actually never got through susano'o at all. Susano'o would have tanked the kick (llike it did a ****ing lightning bolt) and then ay would be a cripple waiting for the guillotine. So, MS sasuke is actually > Ay.
I did prove, but you refuse to read/ignore. Your problem.Ay > Tsunade, no proof. Guess i'm supposed to take your word for it.
Actually, he's the strongest, but go on with your fan mad nonsense, don't listen to the facts.Yea, ay > mei? So what? I said he's the second weakest kage at best, doesn't mean he isn't the weakest.. He defeats mei, but mei defeats some of the other kage and some other top ninja.
Where Muu got from?muu always flies. Muu fights flying.
You're going against common sense. Jinton will never hit him, A'll just slip away. Even a massive one, if Obito was fast enough to wrap Sasuke out of there, so of course A can just run off.Ay can never even reach him and that instant jinton cube (which he did on sasuke) or a jinton laser to wipe out the battlefield, or a massive jinton, would all kill ay before he got out of dodge.
Hmmm not sure about who did more work. Danzo fought pretty stupidly against Sasuke.. Tbh Danzo > Sasuke MS, but it seems like Kishi wanted Danzo not to use his full power and fight really stupidly.Danzou did more work on sasuke than ay ever did. Danzou would probably kill ay. fuuton > raiton in the first place.
No. Read.I'm the one with fan idea? Your only arguement is 'fast'.
He's 2nd fastest ninja, after minato. That's a fact, they said it in some chap, don't remember which - and don't ask me to "show or never existed/no proof", because we both know it happened. It was somewhere around when Naruto fought A , with Bee and Tsunade."He's too fast" Isn't a valid counter, considering he isn't the fastest ninja and he's been blocked on several occasions.
No, it isn't. But what I said does.That's nice? Not like what i said was shown in the manga or anything...
WHAT13 year old lee, sure. You have no way of comparing him to 16y/o gated lee. Base lee is a speed demon, gated lee (as a kid) couldn't even be seen. you don't even have proof that he's stronger, only faster (until lee shows what more he has, even though lee was able to blitz madara).
Oh really? I guess you're the right one then.. funny how it doesnt seem logical to me:SAll in all, all you've said is nonsense.
Off you goI'm done with this,
Keep telling that to yourselfyou're clearly delusional and
I lol'd, thanks for writing so long!it's obvious gaara wins this fight.