Itachi > Nagato?? WTF are you talking about?

[HadouKage]

1. Who said it had to definitely be Totsuka? The only reason it took time to seal was because he let Nagato say his final words. When he got Oro the sealing process was faster even when oro us the Hydra technique.
2. No it doesn't since he was fast enough to use it in time to protect himself against Kirin.
3. That's Sasukes susanoo not even in its full stage... Itachi has Yata mirror. Plus Danzos summon helped amplify its strength.. There's a difference in those two techniques ones a slashing/cut technique and the other repells you and breaks your bones.. The Slug doesn't have bones do you think that if the slug was in Susanoos position in that moment it wouldn't get cut into?
4. Explain how its illogical.

1. *epic facepalm* You just contradicted your own statement. Totsuka takes time to stab and seal, simple as that. Nagato isn't just going to stand there while his summons get sealed, when he has a whole arsenal of jutsu
2. Do you read the manga? His full Sussano transformation didn't instantly appear out of thin air. Like I said, it took time the only tech Sussano is shown to have used not in full is Yaga beads and that's not enough for CT, even so by the time Sussano is activated, CT will have had time to advance
3. I don't have enough facepalms for you. What elemental affinity is gravity? ST does not break your bones, bones were broken due to the impact after ST was casted. Regardless of what is used on Sussano, force is stil being exerted and if you compare Vacuum bullets (which is leagues below in power) did to a stage 1 sussano can you imagine what a full scale ST (that obliterated Kohona to the point it took the villagers to rebuild it) would do to a fully transform Sussano? Stop being a fanboy

 

[Space Cowboy]

How theyre big targets. Same can be said with you. But atleast I have something to kind of back me up the orb is small and unprotected in its early stage so there's no reason that say that it shouldn't be damaged. No he can't spam it he's not an edo. He would lose devas powers temporarily and really you think he'll recover it before Itachi reaches him? Itachi is fast he'll get back to the battlefield. No I think it was said that it can be seen through any VISUAL genjutsu.. it didn't see.through sound. Rinnegan isn't known for seeing through genjutsu EMS which is one stage below Rinnegan couldn't see through sound genjutsu.

Youre not even worth the effort but here goes. "something to KIND OF back me up" really? Number 1, he throws that shit up real high. Not going to be hit by anything in Itachi's arsenal thats for sure. Secondly, it accumulates mass VERY quickly. There isnt a large window of opportunity for Itachi to land a blow that he realistically couldnt land regardless due to its height. The thing about Nagato is, he doesnt need to be an edo to spam techniques. He shit on the village, relaying signals to six separate bodies that literally solod the village. THEN he battled Naruto in almost his nine-tails form and still performed CT. He can spam, and he can do it all day. Look at the picture again. If he was to perform that kind of attack, Itachi has to cover a few miles to reach Nagato again. Hes got time, as well as still having use of all other paths, on top of us not knowing how the intervals may be changed considering he wont be using paths in this battle. And thank you for proving my point further. Does Itachi have any sound genjutsu that you are aware of?

 

[Gone Solo]

Please enlighten me. How would Itachi counter Chibaku Tensei without the help of Naruto and Bee?[/QUOTE]

Let's see he saw it's weakness straight away and attacked it. All he needs to do is fire 3 Yasaka Magatama attacks at it and it's finished.

 

[Space Cowboy]

Please enlighten me. How would Itachi counter Chibaku Tensei without the help of Naruto and Bee?

Let's see he saw it's weakness straight away and attacked it. All he needs to do is fire 3 Yasaka Magatama attacks at it and it's finished.[/QUOTE]
I cry for NB. Although i get the feeling youre being satirical. At least i hope you are

 

[Murasame]

Sorry but why are you still posting? The bold just shows you lack common human intelligence. Are you a kid? If so I apologize, but that's just ridiculous

Because I can? If I'm someone who lacks intelligence why are you still arguing with me? lol What does that say about you? Yeah... Case in point. Anyways enlighten me with how that proves I have low intelligence.

 

[HadouKage]

Because I can? If I'm someone who lacks intelligence why are you still arguing with me? lol What does that say about you? Yeah... Case in point. Anyways enlighten me with how that proves I have low intelligence.

Gladly

No I think it was said that it can be seen through any VISUAL genjutsu.. it didn't see.through sound. Rinnegan isn't known for seeing through genjutsu EMS which is one stage below Rinnegan couldn't see through sound genjutsu.

The bold says it all. And that's a poor example as the sharigan can't see through sound jutsu (LOL) as displayed with Kabuto, Itachi and Sasuke

And stay on point, you still haven't refuted my previous statement

 

[Murasame]

Youre not even worth the effort but here goes. "something to KIND OF back me up" really? Number 1, he throws that shit up real high. Not going to be hit by anything in Itachi's arsenal thats for sure. Secondly, it accumulates mass VERY quickly. There isnt a large window of opportunity for Itachi to land a blow that he realistically couldnt land regardless due to its height. The thing about Nagato is, he doesnt need to be an edo to spam techniques. He shit on the village, relaying signals to six separate bodies that literally solod the village. THEN he battled Naruto in almost his nine-tails form and still performed CT. He can spam, and he can do it all day. Look at the picture again. If he was to perform that kind of attack, Itachi has to cover a few miles to reach Nagato again. Hes got time, as well as still having use of all other paths, on top of us not knowing how the intervals may be changed considering he wont be using paths in this battle. And thank you for proving my point further. Does Itachi have any sound genjutsu that you are aware of?

Yeah well its true no? The orb is small and unprotected so its logical that it CAN be destroyed or damaged. Tsk tsk don't you remember? CT will pull the attack in so its irrelevant whether its high or not. Lol really you think he's going to spam CT or large scale shinra tensei? No just no he'll put his life in danger. The only difference between him and the paths is power not chakra. He wont be able to use devas powers for a while. Which leaves him open to tosuka and amaterasu which he can't react to. I'm not saying Itachi has sound genjutsu I was just proving a point that Sharingan can't see through all genjutsu just visual :sy:

 

[Space Cowboy]

Yeah well its true no? The orb is small and unprotected so its logical that it CAN be destroyed or damaged. Tsk tsk don't you remember? CT will pull the attack in so its irrelevant whether its high or not. Lol really you think he's going to spam CT or large scale shinra tensei? No just no he'll put his life in danger. The only difference between him and the paths is power not chakra. He wont be able to use devas powers for a while. Which leaves him open to tosuka and amaterasu which he can't react to. I'm not saying Itachi has sound genjutsu I was just proving a point that Sharingan can't see through all genjutsu just visual :sy:

Go re-read the chapter titled "Chibaku Tensei" and you will see exactly what i mean. Thats about all the effort im willing to put in at this point

 

[Murasame]

Gladly



The bold says it all. And that's a poor example as the sharigan can't see through sound jutsu (LOL) as displayed with Kabuto, Itachi and Sasuke

And stay on point, you still haven't refuted my previous statement

You're not making any sense? If you had been reading my argument against Space Cowboy he said the Sharingan could see through all genjutsu so I countered by saying that it was said to counter Visual genjutsu not all and I backed it up by saying that Sasuke with ems couldn't see through sound genjutsu.

And what statement haven't I refuted?

 

[Murasame]

Go re-read the chapter titled "Chibaku Tensei" and you will see exactly what i mean. Thats about all the effort im willing to put in at this point

Alright I will.

 

[HadouKage]

You're not making any sense? If you had been reading my argument against Space Cowboy he said the Sharingan could see through all genjutsu so I countered by saying that it was said to counter Visual genjutsu not all and I backed it up by saying that Sasuke with ems couldn't see through sound genjutsu.

And what statement haven't I refuted?

My apologies, I misread the post


And this statement(s)

1. *epic facepalm* You just contradicted your own statement. Totsuka takes time to stab and seal, simple as that. Nagato isn't just going to stand there while his summons get sealed, when he has a whole arsenal of jutsu
2. Do you read the manga? His full Sussano transformation didn't instantly appear out of thin air. Like I said, it took time the only tech Sussano is shown to have used not in full is Yaga beads and that's not enough for CT, even so by the time Sussano is activated, CT will have had time to advance
3. I don't have enough facepalms for you. What elemental affinity is gravity? ST does not break your bones, bones were broken due to the impact after ST was casted. Regardless of what is used on Sussano, force is stil being exerted and if you compare Vacuum bullets (which is leagues below in power) did to a stage 1 sussano can you imagine what a full scale ST (that obliterated Kohona to the point it took the villagers to rebuild it) would do to a fully transform Sussano? Stop being a fanboy

 

[Murasame]

My apologies, I misread the post


And this statement(s)

Yeah I thought so. You shouldnt try to make people look dumb. Oh well I'm not going to be dbag about it and rub it in your face.

1. How did I contradict my statement? I said it would have to be either Amaterasu or Totsuka blade.. Not Totsuka specifically. But you do have a point so amaterasu will have to be the better choice.
2. Yeah true but he used Susanoo in less than a second against Kirin.. Which is lightning. Even if it wasn't his full susanoo its not like its going to take a long time to activate it unless you have proof otherwise. Its just going to take a little longer. It took a while for CT to form.. it'll be enough for time Itachi to form Susanoo and use Yasaka Magatama.
3. I know I was just comparing the difference between Sasukes and Itachis. But like I said the slug was able to withstand Shinra Tensei so Susanoo should too.. Sure shinra tensei has more.power because its a large scale technique but that doesn't mean that Susanoo can't tank it. I mean if the slug was in Susanoos position it would've been definitely slashed in half.. they're just two different attacks that do different things. Its kind of.hard to explain but I hope you get what I mean.

 

[Murasame]

Go re-read the chapter titled "Chibaku Tensei" and you will see exactly what i mean. Thats about all the effort im willing to put in at this point

Well CT formed fast in that fight but it didn't in his last fight.

 

[HadouKage]

Yeah I thought so. You shouldnt try to make people look dumb. Oh well I'm not going to be dbag about it and rub it in your face.

1. How did I contradict my statement? I said it would have to be either Amaterasu or Totsuka blade.. Not Totsuka specifically. But you do have a point so amaterasu will have to be the better choice.
2. Yeah true but he used Susanoo in less than a second against Kirin.. Which is lightning. Even if it wasn't his full susanoo its not like its going to take a long time to activate it unless you have proof otherwise. Its just going to take a little longer. It took a while for CT to form.. it'll be enough for time Itachi to form Susanoo and use Yasaka Magatama.
3. I know I was just comparing the difference between Sasukes and Itachis. But like I said the slug was able to withstand Shinra Tensei so Susanoo should too.. Sure shinra tensei has more.power because its a large scale technique but that doesn't mean that Susanoo can't tank it. I mean if the slug was in Susanoos position it would've been definitely slashed in half.. they're just two different attacks that do different things. Its kind of.hard to explain but I hope you get what I mean.

Everyone makes mistakes, calm down.
1. Here you implied that it doesn't take time for Totsuka to stab and seal

1. Who said it had to definitely be Totsuka? The only reason it took time to seal was because he let Nagato say his final words. When he got Oro the sealing process was faster even when oro us the Hydra technique.

Which is fallcious because regardless of the speed difference, it still took time seal both Oro and Nagato. You contradicted because you are implying that Totsuka will take no time to seal his summons, when in fact is does

2. What part don't you get that it takes time for him to activate Sussano? Nagato needs no handseals to activate CT, by the time it's activate to the point where it can use Yagama, it will have been stable enough to withstand attacks. You make it seem like Itachi can do all that in an instant amount of time. Even then, it's manga cannon that Yagama cannot destory it alone and there is no manga proof that it can be destroyed in the early stages. Can't refute this fact, don't try

3. I'm going to say this again Katsuya durablity > Sussano. And by your post it shows that you are ignorant of Katsuya's ablities. I suggets you go reread the manga. Sussano stage 1 was getting forced back by Baku and Vacuum bullets. ST >>>>>> Baku + Vacuum bullets. Not only that, regardless both the user and Sussano are affected by gravity so one of them is getting forced back and we know that its manga fact that the user CAN CHOOSE to have Sussano follow them.
Sussano cannot tank a full scale ST, stop being a fanboy

 

[Murasame]

Everyone makes mistakes, calm down.
1. Here you implied that it doesn't take time for Totsuka to stab and seal

Which is fallcious because regardless of the speed difference, it still took time seal both Oro and Nagato. You contradicted because you are implying that Totsuka will take no time to seal his summons, when in fact is does

2. What part don't you get that it takes time for him to activate Sussano? Nagato needs no handseals to activate CT, by the time it's activate to the point where it can use Yagama, it will have been stable enough to withstand attacks. You make it seem like Itachi can do all that in an instant amount of time. Even then, it's manga cannon that Yagama cannot destory it alone and there is no manga proof that it can be destroyed in the early stages. Can't refute this fact, don't try

3. I'm going to say this again Katsuya durablity > Sussano. And by your post it shows that you are ignorant of Katsuya's ablities. I suggets you go reread the manga. Sussano stage 1 was getting forced back by Baku and Vacuum bullets. ST >>>>>> Baku + Vacuum bullets. Not only that, regardless both the user and Sussano are affected by gravity so one of them is getting forced back and we know that its manga fact that the user CAN CHOOSE to have Sussano follow them.
Sussano cannot tank a full scale ST, stop being a fanboy

No if you read what I actually implied I said that it was faster when he sealed Oro not that it didn't take time but as I've said he'll use ama since its faster.

I'm not saying giving up in this argument and letting you win but there's no point since what you say wont change what I believe and vice versa. Have a good day sir.

 

[Strict]

Base members are running out of ideas. Always the same stuff here.

 

[Shura]

Base members are running out of ideas. Always the same stuff here.

Yeah, probably.

 

[HadouKage]

No if you read what I actually implied I said that it was faster when he sealed Oro not that it didn't take time but as I've said he'll use ama since its faster.

I'm not saying giving up in this argument and letting you win but there's no point since what you say wont change what I believe and vice versa. Have a good day sir.

There's nothing to refute, I'm using manga fact all your doing is speculating

 

[shelke]

10 pages over subjectivity? Lastly, I loathe Itachi, but let's not forget that he was kind of 'saving' Bee and KCM Naruto's unassuming asses along the way. Had this fight had been one or one, without Naruto and Bee being such terrible hindrances, we can or could have made a sound argumentation. As of now? This is an 'up in the air' matter.

 

[Murasame]

There's nothing to refute, I'm using manga fact all your doing is speculating

I did speculate I admit but I also used manga facts too bro but like I've said I'm done.