Itachi > Nagato?? WTF are you talking about?

[Penguin]

Well played, I guess a someone that has true Uchiha DNA could use it.

Doesn't mean that Nagato can't see through it though , the Rinnegan's perception is so advanced it can see things of a spiritual nature.

This is true.

 

[Waltz]

first of all versus thread should be between living persons.
If you count edos in versus, they should be in their own senses.
spop > itachi
edo nagato without legs > edo itachi
both should be in their senses.
if so6p was there in control of kabuto rather than nagato,itachi could also seal him due to kabuto lack of usage on his puppets.
important thing is that if you ask kishimoto, or any. other anime producer etc.they will say nagato > itachi.

What you fail to realize is besides the only modified Edo, Madara, every Edo-Tensei wields techniques they had before death.

Keeping in mind that Itachi is not very gifted with his stamina, and seeing as the majority of what you posted is just him avoiding death, i still dont really see how he lands anything on Nagato. I didnt even bring out the Gedo Mazou. Izanami? While hes rushing over to have his soul sucked out by Asura path? Nah, not seeing it

The reason he would end the fight before Nagato uses any large scale techniques. Bunshin feint, not izanami.

 

[HadouKage]

1. Amaterasu or Totsuka nuff said.
2. He destroys or heavily damages it in its early stages or he finishes the fight before it happens.
3. Tanks it with Susanoo since small slugs tanked it.
4. He uses Genjutsu to Fool Nagato into believing he has Itachi just like Itachi did when Bee used his tentacles to grab Itachi then while Nagato is busy dispelling the Genjutsu he gets his throat slashed.

1. Fanboy logic
2. So why didn't he do it instead of asking for Bee and Naruto's help?
3. Katsuya Durability > Sussano durability
4. He knows about the Uchiha dojutsu

 

[khaydz5]

what proof? thats like saying nagato can use shinra tensei and bansho tenin at the same time
he can use two techniques of deva path at the same time now? Lol

if you're reading manga carefully, actually, YES he can use multiple paths at the same time.

but I dont think he can use other paths while preparing for CT. but as we all saw, itachi isn't fast enough to react when nagato threw the CT core. without naruto and bee on his side, itachi had no way of destroying the core.

 

[Murasame]

I think ill take you up on that

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Im adding Biju naruto to the list of people not to take seriously

Thats cool bro all I'm doing is debating you nicely but you're such a child I swear. I can't take you seriously since you're always having to say something about me like calling me daft or something.

 

[HadouKage]

So does that put their durability above Susanoo?

If Sasuke's pre Sussano couldn't withstand vaccum bullets than obviously it is

 

[Space Cowboy]

1. Amaterasu or Totsuka nuff said.
2. He destroys or heavily damages it in its early stages or he finishes the fight before it happens.
3. Tanks it with Susanoo since small slugs tanked it.
4. He uses Genjutsu to Fool Nagato into believing he has Itachi just like Itachi did when Bee used his tentacles to grab Itachi then while Nagato is busy dispelling the Genjutsu he gets his throat slashed.

1. I included the summon mainly to show that he will have to deal with the multiple summons Nagato possesses.
2.Really? Thats why he needed Naruto and Bee to help him?
3. Yeah, hes still getting blown back several hundred yards at least, and can not attack while he is that far away, and wastes his precious stamina just to tank that, which Nagato can spam like theres no tomorrow.
4.Saying Nagato is susceptible to ocular genjutsu is an assumption and a hotly debated issue to this day. Theres no guarantee of that.

 

[Murasame]

1. Fanboy logic
2. So why did he do it instead of asking for Bee and Naruto's help?
3. Katsuya Durability > Sussano durability
4. He knows about the Uchiha dojutsu

1. No I'm saying it because its really the way he takes him out. I'm not using it in the way Itachi fanboys do like ama or totsuka GG.
2. Because he was explaining it to Naruto and Bee which gave time to CT being stronger.
3. Now you're just getting sad.. If a small slugs durability>Susanoo why isn't it called the ultimate defense?
4. So did Kakashi he still got hit by Tsukoyomi. Just because you know something doesn't mean you can stop it as seen with Nagato with amaterasu and Totsuka.

 

[Space Cowboy]

What you fail to realize is besides the only modified Edo, Madara, every Edo-Tensei wields techniques they had before death.



The reason he would end the fight before Nagato uses any large scale techniques. Bunshin feint, not izanami.

..So now you dictate how the fight goes? He didnt really wait too long to take out the Gedo Mazou when he attacked Hanzo and his troops. Bunshin feint? Do you mean he is simply going to run up and try to take out Nagato before he realizes its a clone or that hes using an explosive one?

 

[Waltz]

..So now you dictate how the fight goes? He didnt really wait too long to take out the Gedo Mazou when he attacked Hanzo and his troops. Bunshin feint? Do you mean he is simply going to run up and try to take out Nagato before he realizes its a clone or that hes using an explosive one?

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Underlined: An emotionally led reflex that almost cost him his life; he lived as a cripple because of that.

You posted an image of Bansho Tenin, something that has already been evaded by Bunshin Feint.

 

[HadouKage]

1. No I'm saying it because its really the way he takes him out. I'm not using it in the way Itachi fanboys do like ama or totsuka GG.
2. Because he was explaining it to Naruto and Bee which gave time to CT being stronger.
3. Now you're just getting sad.. If a small slugs durability>Susanoo why isn't it called the ultimate defense?
4. So did Kakashi he still got hit by Tsukoyomi. Just because you know something doesn't mean you can stop it as seen with Nagato with amaterasu and Totsuka.

1. What I'm saying is Uchiha fanboys think that Totsuka Blade doesn't take time to seal and they think Nagato is gonna sit there and enjoy getting his dog absorbed. Not only that, Nagato can summon more than once and more than one summon. So he destroys the summons, what about Nagato?
2. What validity is in your statement? Regardeless his Sussano transformation takes time. Not only that, you don't have proof that it would be destroyed in it's early stages
3. I will say this again, Sasuke's pre Sussano was affected by vacuum bullets Full scale ST >>>>>>>>>>>> Vacuum bullets if you didn't see what it did to Kohona. Idc what anyone says, Sussano isn't tanking that not only because of it's raw power but because Sussano follows the user if the user chooses. Katsuya withstood both a Full scale and 8 tails explosion which in fact destroyed CT all on it's own
4. Not gonna argue with illogical reasoning

 

[Murasame]

1. I included the summon mainly to show that he will have to deal with the multiple summons Nagato possesses.
2.Really? Thats why he needed Naruto and Bee to help him?
3. Yeah, hes still getting blown back several hundred yards at least, and can not attack while he is that far away, and wastes his precious stamina just to tank that, which Nagato can spam like theres no tomorrow.
4.Saying Nagato is susceptible to ocular genjutsu is an assumption and a hotly debated issue to this day. Theres no guarantee of that.

1. Oh well he will only need Totsuka or Amaterasu for Cerberus and the bird summon. He can use his shuriken jutsu to blind or defeat to the summons as shown in the manga.
2. Yeah because CT grew strong to the point they had to destroy it together.. they were talking.
3. True but you're wrong on the part he'll spam it. He'll lose his ability to use Deva paths powers temporarily which puts him at a disadvantage.
4. Anyone is susceptible to genjutsu its just a matter of whether they break it.

 

[Space Cowboy]

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Underlined: An emotionally led reflex that almost cost him his life; he lived as a cripple because of that.

You posted an image of Bansho Tenin, something that has already been evaded by Bunshin Feint.

The notion that Nagato has no knowledge of Tsukuyomi, arguably his best technique, is ridiculous. The notion that it may even work on the more advanced ocular dojutsu is also unresolved. An emotionally fueled reflex that could be used again, if he wanted. He is fully capable of performing a shinra tensei at the immediate beginning of a fight if it was his choosing. We dont dictate that. And yeah, bansho tenin was countered by a clone due to the situation that Kakashi entered the battle in

 

[Space Cowboy]

1. Oh well he will only need Totsuka or Amaterasu for Cerberus and the bird summon. He can use his shuriken jutsu to blind or defeat to the summons as shown in the manga.
2. Yeah because CT grew strong to the point they had to destroy it together.. they were talking.
3. True but you're wrong on the part he'll spam it. He'll lose his ability to use Deva paths powers temporarily which puts him at a disadvantage.
4. Anyone is susceptible to genjutsu its just a matter of whether they break it.

Im gonna go on a limb and say the majority of his summons can dodge a shuriken or two, depending on the situation. You still have no evidence he is capable of destroying it on his own. He can, and would spam it. And great, because Itachi will have a long walk back over to the fight. And certain people are susceptible to certain types of genjutsu. They say the sharingan can see through any genjutsu. Yet the rinnegan is what, three stages more advanced than the sharingan?

 

[Waltz]

The notion that Nagato has no knowledge of Tsukuyomi, arguably his best technique, is ridiculous. The notion that it may even work on the more advanced ocular dojutsu is also unresolved. An emotionally fueled reflex that could be used again, if he wanted. He is fully capable of performing a shinra tensei at the immediate beginning of a fight if it was his choosing. We dont dictate that. And yeah, bansho tenin was countered by a clone due to the situation that Kakashi entered the battle in

I'll rephrase for sake of your reading inconsistency: Nagato has no canonical knowledge of the Inner workings nor possesses a counter for Itachi's Genjutsu; Tsukuyomi. Nagato as an uzumaki not wielding Senju and Uchiha genetic material had poor control over the Gedou upon summoning it as opposed to Mokuton wielding Obito and Madara as it rampaged and immediately deprived him of the two elements it was missing being, life force and chakra. It attests to the reason why he never summoned it again (as it would take his life) which means such a matchup depends on his physical state. Bear in mind time there is a forced time limit using this technique. Without reason, such an emotional response would be highly unlikely at the beginning of a fight. During his fight against Hanzou, Nagato used the technique for around 10-12 seconds and it put him in a life threatening state. With the use of bunshin and crow feints, Itachi can evade the technique for enough time as the Soul Dragons are

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: meaning that either Nagato will die from his life force and chakra being totally depleted (causing the gedo to be automatically reverse summoned) or He'll be forced to cancel the technique in order to save his life.

 

[Murasame]

1. What I'm saying is Uchiha fanboys think that Totsuka Blade doesn't take time to seal and they think Nagato is gonna sit there and enjoy getting his dog absorbed. Not only that, Nagato can summon more than once and more than one summon. So he destroys the summons, what about Nagato?
2. What validity is in your statement? Regardeless his Sussano transformation takes time. Not only that, you don't have proof that it would be destroyed in it's early stages
3. I will say this again, Sasuke's pre Sussano was affected by vacuum bullets Full scale ST >>>>>>>>>>>> Vacuum bullets if you didn't see what it did to Kohona. Idc what anyone says, Sussano isn't tanking that not only because of it's raw power but because Sussano follows the user if the user chooses. Katsuya withstood both a Full scale and 8 tails explosion which in fact destroyed CT all on it's own
4. Not gonna argue with illogical reasoning

1. Who said it had to definitely be Totsuka? The only reason it took time to seal was because he let Nagato say his final words. When he got Oro the sealing process was faster even when oro us the Hydra technique.
2. No it doesn't since he was fast enough to use it in time to protect himself against Kirin.
3. That's Sasukes susanoo not even in its full stage... Itachi has Yata mirror. Plus Danzos summon helped amplify its strength.. There's a difference in those two techniques ones a slashing/cut technique and the other repells you and breaks your bones.. The Slug doesn't have bones do you think that if the slug was in Susanoos position in that moment it wouldn't get cut into?
4. Explain how its illogical.

 

[Space Cowboy]

I'll rephrase for sake of your reading inconsistency: Nagato has no canonical knowledge of the Inner workings nor possesses a counter for Itachi's Genjutsu; Tsukuyomi. Nagato had poor control over the Gedou upon summoning it as opposed to Mokuton wielding Obito and Madara as it rampaged and immediately deprived him of the two elements it was missing being, life force and chakra. It attests to the reason why he never summoned it again (as it would take his life) which means such a matchup depends on his physical state. Bear in mind time there is a forced time limit using this technique.Such an emotional response would be highly unlikely at the beginning of a fight. During his fight against Hanzou, Nagato used the technique for around 5-10 seconds and it put him in a life threatening state. With the use of bunshin and crow feints, Itachi can evade the technique for enough time as the Soul Dragons are

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: meaning that either Nagato will die from his life force and chakra being totally depleted (causing the gedo to automatically reverse summoned) or He'll be forced to cancel the technique in order to save his life.

There was no "reading inconsistency," get over yourself bro. It hardly matters whether he knows of the "inner workings" of Tsukuyomi; he knows not to look in his damn eyes. Him being a sensor means also that he doesnt need to look towards his eyes to sense incoming amaterasu. There is no reason for him to make eye contact with Itachi at all, and whether or not Tsukuyomi would even work if he did is up for debate. You are right however, the Gedo would probably kill him, but it wasnt all that easy for multiple Konoha ANBU to dodge if he was so inclined to risk his life again and use it

 

[Waltz]

There was no "reading inconsistency," get over yourself bro. It hardly matters whether he knows of the "inner workings" of Tsukuyomi; he knows not to look in his damn eyes. Him being a sensor means also that he doesnt need to look towards his eyes to sense incoming amaterasu. There is no reason for him to make eye contact with Itachi at all, and whether or not Tsukuyomi would even work if he did is up for debate. You are right however, the Gedo would probably kill him, but it wasnt all that easy for multiple Konoha ANBU to dodge if he was so inclined to risk his life again and use it

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How will he know to close his eyes when he doesn't know how Itachi's Tsukuyomi works? and there is logical reason for him to make eye contact as all his Jutsu revolve around hand-eye co-ordination. It's not debatable as there is nothing stopping it from being successful, as i said, Nagato himself has no counter for the genjutsu.

 

[Space Cowboy]

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How will he know to close his eyes when he doesn't know how Itachi's Tsukuyomi works? and there is logical reason for him to make eye contact as all his Jutsu revolve around hand-eye co-ordination. It's not debatable as there is nothing stopping it from being successful, as i said, Nagato himself has no counter for the genjutsu.

...Because its safe to assume the leader of the Akatuski has knowledge of his second strongest member as well as having knowledge of the world's second-strongest clan in existence. Especially when he is fearing and plotting against "Madara Uchiha" with Konan. He would know the dangers of the Uchiha stem from the eyes, unless of course he is functionally retarded. And STILL, it is debatable if Tsukuyomi, an MS technique would work on the higher level of dojutsu. There is no reason for him to make eye contact actually, as he is a sensor, and will know when Nagato is making an attack

 

[Murasame]

Im gonna go on a limb and say the majority of his summons can dodge a shuriken or two, depending on the situation. You still have no evidence he is capable of destroying it on his own. He can, and would spam it. And great, because Itachi will have a long walk back over to the fight. And certain people are susceptible to certain types of genjutsu. They say the sharingan can see through any genjutsu. Yet the rinnegan is what, three stages more advanced than the sharingan?

How theyre big targets. Same can be said with you. But atleast I have something to kind of back me up the orb is small and unprotected in its early stage so there's no reason that say that it shouldn't be damaged. No he can't spam it he's not an edo. He would lose devas powers temporarily and really you think he'll recover it before Itachi reaches him? Itachi is fast he'll get back to the battlefield. No I think it was said that it can be seen through any VISUAL genjutsu.. it didn't see.through sound. Rinnegan isn't known for seeing through genjutsu EMS which is one stage below Rinnegan couldn't see through sound genjutsu.