[Debate] Feminism, LGBT rights, and abortion.

[Zachfri]

A few differences from interracial marriage and being gay

Interbreeding is common in almost every animal in the world, let alone choosing animals of different colors.
One reproduce others do not.
Most world religions do not condemn interracial ***.
The Christian religion is totally silent on interracial marriage, even moses had an nubian wife and when miriam objected her skin turned totally pale. Being gay is a sin in the christian religion.
Science has proven that intermingled people are often genetically superior to that of people who marry within their own race.
Gay people can't reproduce, so saying they can create genetically superior offspring is stupid.
It avoids incest another sin in the bible.

You're still ignorant mate. Fanatically following an organized belief system not open for subject to interpretation is a fail at that.

I don't know what your talking about, but I question everything I hear in the bible. Wisdom is glorified in the book of proverbs, and is said to lead the righteous down the path God intended. Once you actually find the book, you can tell me then what you actually think about it, and let me know.

 

[YowYan]

You're still ignorant mate. Fanatically following an organized belief system not open for subject to interpretation is a fail at that.

I don't know what your talking about, but I question everything I hear in the bible. Wisdom is glorified in the book of proverbs, and is said to lead the righteous down the path God intended. Once you actually find the book, you can tell me then what you actually think about it, and let me know.

Read that stuff long ago. Other than that, I'm being a bit pathetic here, furiously ridiculing you. Handbrake moment.
I'm sorry for being a douche. I've gotten into the '0 tolerance for ignorance' mode a couple of weeks ago.



I see with that comment you still view god the same way religious fanatics do. As a external, omnipotent phenomena that'll bring 'justice' to us some day. Although, it's not necessarily a bad thing, it does keep you limited in terms of being able to interpreting the teachings to the core. I do think religion is a good step-up to a higher level of thinking like a spirituality-based mind-set. I just heard so many ridiculous things lately, I lost my cool.

 

[HadouKage]

Read that stuff long ago. Other than that, I'm being a bit pathetic here, furiously ridiculing you. Handbrake moment.
I'm sorry for being a douche. I've gotten into the '0 tolerance for ignorance' mode a couple of weeks ago.



I see with that comment you still view god the same way religious fanatics do. As a external, omnipotent phenomena that'll bring 'justice' to us some day. Although, it's not necessarily a bad thing, it does keep you limited in terms of being able to interpreting the teachings to the core. I do think religion is a good step-up to a higher level of thinking like a spirituality-based mind-set. I just heard so many ridiculous things lately, I lost my cool.

*Waits for reply to post*

 

[KartoffelChan]

And homosexuality does concern desire? Desiring the same *** was considered socially and morally 'sick' at one time, what is your point?

'At one time' is a major point here. 'At one time' people thought that draining the blood from someone sick with leeches was a great idea. 'At one time' people thought that they would have to sacrifice people to appease their Gods. 'At one time' people would stone women for being raped- OH WAIT, that still happens? Point is, humanity has been wrong a whole heck of a lot and we could go for a change. Seriously, humanity is an ever changing and evolving thing.

In no way am I condoning necrophillia, pedophila or beastiality. As Zachfri has stated, what is wrong about two brothers or a brother and sister getting married if there is consent? Some people are influenced by factors that they cannot avoid (hence peodphillia), yet you hypocritically defend homosexuals when the process is one in the same I'm not being ignorant I'm just not being one sided

Once again, consent is the issue here, not 'desire'. It's the difference between rape/insanity/'wrongness' and what love basically is. As I've mentioned before all of those, Necrophilia, Pedophilia, and Bestiality all are 'wrong' because lack of consent.

Necrophilia---> A dead person cannot give someone consent to bang them [Well, I guess they could if they signed it off or something but not any random corpse]
Pedophilia-----> Children tend not to know what *** is ergo no consent. Pedophiles tend to be in love with those who are too young to understand *** and it entirety.
Bestiality----> No consent, period.

So really it comes down to consent. If nobody is forcing them to preform the act and if they give permission then that's that. It's not hypocritical, and I'm not saying that people should just act on their desires. I'm very much against that type of behavior because that means RAPE.

 

[Klaroline]

I didn't know there was so many ignorant people on the base.

So let me get this straight. If I married my boyfriend and we lived together. How would that have an affect on you? No really. Enlighten me.

 

[GEIxBattleRifle]

1.the fact that homosexuality is unnatural still stands it is also fact that its against biblical doctrine

1. It should be no surprise you seem to forget we act on our own accord. It doesn't matter if something to you seems unnatural since humans and some other primate species can manipulate nature to whatever they want it to be. No one really cares what some ''biblical doctrine'' say either. Times change and digging up how morality was on this thousands of years ago isn't going to help you much in this time and age

 

[HadouKage]

'At one time' is a major point here. 'At one time' people thought that draining the blood from someone sick with leeches was a great idea. 'At one time' people thought that they would have to sacrifice people to appease their Gods. 'At one time' people would stone women for being raped- OH WAIT, that still happens? Point is, humanity has been wrong a whole heck of a lot and we could go for a change. Seriously, humanity is an ever changing and evolving thing.

Which proves my point, what is stopping someone from vouching for equal rights for necrophillia, pedophile, etc. in the same way homosexuals are doing now? Back then homosexuality was considered immoral, now its acceptable.

Once again, consent is the issue here, not 'desire'. It's the difference between rape/insanity/'wrongness' and what love basically is. As I've mentioned before all of those, Necrophilia, Pedophilia, and Bestiality all are 'wrong' because lack of consent.

Necrophilia---> A dead person cannot give someone consent to bang them [Well, I guess they could if they signed it off or something but not any random corpse]
Pedophilia-----> Children tend not to know what *** is ergo no consent. Pedophiles tend to be in love with those who are too young to understand *** and it entirety.
Bestiality----> No consent, period.

So really it comes down to consent. If nobody is forcing them to preform the act and if they give permission then that's that. It's not hypocritical, and I'm not saying that people should just act on their desires. I'm very much against that type of behavior because that means RAPE.

You didn't answer my question about incest. Why is that consider morally wrong if there consent between members?

I didn't know there was so many ignorant people on the base.

So let me get this straight. If I married my boyfriend and we lived together. How would that have an affect on you? No really. Enlighten me.

Ignorance that feeds off hypocrisy
By your logic, what's wrong with incest?

 

[Aenigma]

Wowow you just lumped a ton of controversial topics together, huh?

people have said "I want gays to have equal rights, just not be able to get married."

How is that even possible? Straight people have the right to get married, and then those people feel that just being nice to gays or something without them also being allowed to get married is "equal?" That's laughable.

I can kind of see where people are coming from with the feminism thing, but that is because they've probably had an encounter with the bad side of feminism, and not the side that actually wants equality, just equality and not women > men or something. It's stupid to have either gender above the other if what you're trying to get is rights. Then you are just oppressing someone else afterwards.

And yeah abortion is fine, people need to stop saying it isn't.

 

[Jack Spicer]

I didn't know there was so many ignorant people on the base.

So let me get this straight. If I married my boyfriend and we lived together. How would that have an affect on you? No really. Enlighten me.

Stick around the chatterbox and general discussion sections and you'll see even more.

 

[GEIxBattleRifle]

1. Back then homosexuality was considered immoral, now its acceptable.


2. Why is that consider morally wrong if there consent between members?

Jumping in here

1. It's acceptable because when it comes to ''morality,'' it changes from generation from generation very slowly and history has shown us this time and time again so it should be no surprise at all really now. Trying to dictate behavior for example with a morality code from thousands of years ago is laughable at best in my opinion.

2. I really don't consider incest wrong as long as there has been consent between the beings involved in the act. The only thing different is that there is a greater change of disabilities in there offspring if they were both to mate since both I assume are genetically related to each other

 

[FuChomei]

Wowow you just lumped a ton of controversial topics together, huh?


How is that even possible? Straight people have the right to get married, and then those people feel that just being nice to gays or something without them also being allowed to get married is "equal?" That's laughable.

I can kind of see where people are coming from with the feminism thing, but that is because they've probably had an encounter with the bad side of feminism, and not the side that actually wants equality, just equality and not women > men or something. It's stupid to have either gender above the other if what you're trying to get is rights. Then you are just oppressing someone else afterwards.

And yeah abortion is fine, people need to stop saying it isn't.

"IT GOES AGAINST THE TEACHING" is a common response. I've seen horrible 'feminism' "All men need to be castrated."

 

[Krauq]

I'm against gay marriage and feminism. As for abortion.... Yeah I agree with it.

 

[FuChomei]

I'm against gay marriage and feminism. As for abortion.... Yeah I agree with it.

Why are you against feminism?

 

[Krauq]

Why are you against feminism?

Because feminism is not what it says it is basically. They claim that they want equal rights and that they want to overthrow the patriarchy when in reality just like men, they want to be superior and have more privileges.

 

[HadouKage]

Jumping in here

1. It's acceptable because when it comes to ''morality,'' it changes from generation from generation very slowly and history has shown us this time and time again so it should be no surprise at all really now. Trying to dictate behavior for example with a morality code from thousands of years ago is laughable at best in my opinion.

2. I really don't consider incest wrong as long as there has been consent between the beings involved in the act. The only thing different is that there is a greater change of disabilities in there offspring if they were both to mate since both I assume are genetically related to each other

Incest isn't wrong? Ok, I quit on humanity now...

 

[FuChomei]

Because feminism is not what it says it is basically. They claim that they want equal rights and that they want to overthrow the patriarchy when in reality just like men, they want to be superior and have more privileges.

You've known the wrong sort of feminism. I just want equal rights, nothing like wide-spread neutering of men.

 

[Fresco]

I'm a pro-life Libertarian so I'm against abortion and pro-gay marriage. I don't like feminism. At least, in the way Krauq puts it.

 

[FuChomei]

I'm a pro-life Libertarian so I'm against abortion and pro-gay marriage. I don't like feminism. At least, in the way Krauq puts it.

What Krauq described is misandry

 

[Joebama]

I'll be quick:
Homosexuality is a part of nature. If you think it's icky, then don't get involved with it at all.
Feminism (as in, actual feminism and not man-hating hypocrites as do unfortunately exist) is good because women are still at a disadvantage in many aspects of society, and men are at a disadvantage in some pretty important ones as well. Feminism, if all who call themselves feminists actually care about the well-being of both sexes (and any gender-ambiguity in between), will help. What won't help is belittling anybody's struggles or issues, no matter their ***/gender or descent.
Abortion: Abortion is not murder. Fetuses are not living things. They do not have feelings, and they won't until even after they've been born. Killing babies is wrong, but ridding a mass of cells from one's body, especially if that mass of cells will harm them or is the product of rape, is not wrong.
Okay, that wasn't quick but yeah.