THEORY} MS activation OBITO & KAKASHI proven

[foxyladyland]

Obito & Kakashi awakened MS separately

someone argued with me that Obito awakened both MS in his' and Kakashi's eyes.
Stating that since Kakashi isn't Uchiha, he cant awaken MS

Panel
1- both eyes are pretty much at 2 tomoe
2- both eyes are pretty much at 3 tomoe
CRUCIAL POINT - and difference in speed rate
3- Kakashi's pupil has disappeared and turned RED..Obito's pupil still visible and black.
showing that Kakashi's was closer to MS than OBITO's.
4- pretty much MS at this point.

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Now we've seen from Kakashi, Nagato, AO, Danzo
-once an eye is implanted
it cannot be underdrawn (deactivated) from its transplanted state....
-unless ofcourse jutsu like Izanagi (or maybe Izanami) is performed, curse that removes eyesight forever.

Further Evidence

Obito is on his way there, and he is confused and doesn't exactly know whats going on...
he has to take his time to understand what he's just seen.

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Kakashi on the other hand, was there the whole time and aware of what was going to happen
before he went through with the killing. (probably)

and since the eyes are said to be better together....if Kakashi cannot awaken MS because he isn't Uchiha....

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it could be that since Obito is in radius of Kakashi, the eyes reacted with eachother during the incident.

Rin is someone extremely close to both characters and she loses her life in front of them.
Resulting in the MS activating in both eyes.
IN CLOSING

Kakashi's eye reaches MS when the pupil disappears or turns red quicker than Obito
showing the difference in time and separation of them gaining MS...
Separately. each on their own, but do to the same incident & situation.
Rin's demise.

The Answer lies in the 3rd Panel-Pupil's are the only big difference.
They awakened MS separately.
thanks for reading Hope you enjoyed :flowers

 

[Aertes]

Oh at last,someone that agrees that Kakashi awakened his MS on his own.
Good job foxy!

 

[foxyladyland]

Oh at last,someone that agrees that Kakashi awakened his MS on his own.
Good job foxy!

wowo thanks! :ls:

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

Obito & Kakashi awakened MS separately

someone argued with me that Obito awakened both MS in his' and Kakashi's eyes.
Stating that since Kakashi isn't Uchiha, he cant awaken MS

Panel
1- both eyes are pretty much at 2 tomoe
2- both eyes are pretty much at 3 tomoe
CRUCIAL POINT - and difference in speed rate
3- Kakashi's pupil has disappeared and turned RED..Obito's pupil still visible and black.
showing that Kakashi's was closer to MS than OBITO's.
4- pretty much MS at this point.

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Now we've seen from Kakashi, Nagato, AO, Danzo
-once an eye is implanted
it cannot be underdrawn (deactivated) from its transplanted state....
-unless ofcourse jutsu like Izanagi (or maybe Izanami) is performed, curse that removes eyesight forever.

Further Evidence

Obito is on his way there, and he is confused and doesn't exactly know whats going on...
he has to take his time to understand what he's just seen.

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Spoiler

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Kakashi on the other hand, was there the whole time and aware of what was going to happen
before he went through with the killing. (probably)

and since the eyes are said to be better together....if Kakashi cannot awaken MS because he isn't Uchiha....

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Spoiler

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it could be that since Obito is in radius of Kakashi, the eyes reacted with eachother during the incident.

Rin is someone extremely close to both characters and she loses her life in front of them.
Resulting in the MS activating in both eyes.
IN CLOSING

Kakashi's eye reaches MS when the pupil disappears or turns red quicker than Obito
showing the difference in time and separation of them gaining MS...
Separately. each on their own, but do to the same incident & situation.
Rin's demise.

The Answer lies in the 3rd Panel-Pupil's are the only big difference.
They awakened MS separately.
thanks for reading Hope you enjoyed :flowers

i agree to an extant but because he was close i still think the eyes connected and they both got ms cause after obito i dont think kakashi became friends with rin right away

 

[Bogard]

Wow i never noticed it, and it makes perfectly sense, and even goes alongside with what Obito said during their fight. Kakashi indeed awoke it on his own. Nice thread. I failed to notice it

 

[-Punk-]

YUP ...
even if obito would have not been there ..since is still obito's, eye i think kakashi would have awaken MS anyways

great theory broski

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[November]

good job! nice thread! nice theory
i agree with you 85%
it's possible that kakashi could awake the MS by himself

 

[GwemBaba]

Nice job foxy! I always thought they awakened it separately.

 

[Horus]

Wow Nice Theory. I Agree...
Good Job

 

[villain55]

that is pretty good proof i agree with you too

 

[Sasukenumberonelover]

Beautiful Foxy BR00 :ls:

 

[AlphaScythian]

Sorry but no.
U say kakashi got white pupil faster?
I say obito got design faster!
Non uchihas cannot unlock MS as they lack KKG or DNA that makes their brain provide chakra for awakening sharingan and even more so for MS. In case of MS this very same chakra imprint design on the eye.
Sharingan forcibly draws chakra from non uchiha users, only uchihas can turn it off.
At best emotional stress kakashi was feeling helped obito abit, but only obito unlocked it.

Edit: Had they activated their MS separately design would be different as its unique to user.

 

[Takos]

Sorry but no.
U say kakashi got white pupil faster?
I say obito got design faster!
Non uchihas cannot unlock MS as they lack KKG or DNA that makes their brain provide chakra for awakening sharingan and even more so for MS. In case of MS this very same chakra imprint design on the eye.
Sharingan forcibly draws chakra from non uchiha users, only uchihas can turn it off.
At best emotional stress kakashi was feeling helped obito abit, but only obito unlocked it.

Edit: Had they activated their MS separately design would be different as its unique to user.

The OP's theory makes much more sense than Obito awakening MS for Kakashi. And about the connection between the eyes argument:
1. The only evidence of the connection is Obito seeing through Kakashi's eye.
2. This means that Kakashi's vision was transferred to Obito.
3. In other words, the only known connection is Kakashi SENDING stuff to Obito, not the other way.
4. Hence, if only one of them awakened MS, it had to be actually Kakashi (who then sent it to Obito, like vision) and not Obito.

But I call it bs anyway, since they obviously awakened it at the same time, both of them.

 

[Asami..]

Good job foxy!

 

[foxyladyland]

Sorry but no.
U say kakashi got white pupil faster?
I say obito got design faster!
Non uchihas cannot unlock MS as they lack KKG or DNA that makes their brain provide chakra for awakening sharingan and even more so for MS. In case of MS this very same chakra imprint design on the eye.
Sharingan forcibly draws chakra from non uchiha users, only uchihas can turn it off.
At best emotional stress kakashi was feeling helped obito abit, but only obito unlocked it.

Edit: Had they activated their MS separately design would be different as its unique to user.

it was due to zetsu+obito being within radius of kakashi
but its not about kakashi getting it faster, however the manga is read from RIGHT > LEFT
so Kakashi's pupil leaves first in the third panel, since on the LEFT, Obito still has his...
however I agree that Kakashi isn't Uchiha so he couldn't do it himself, example Danzo...
but because of his actions Kakashi ....
alright Obito + Zetsu did it since Obito saw through his missing LEFT EYE in Kakashi's socket..
design would prob stay the same since it came from Obito the whole time...
kakashi isn't uchiha so it woudnt have a different design from its original user's.

The OP's theory makes much more sense than Obito awakening MS for Kakashi. And about the connection between the eyes argument:
1. The only evidence of the connection is Obito seeing through Kakashi's eye.
2. This means that Kakashi's vision was transferred to Obito.
3. In other words, the only known connection is Kakashi SENDING stuff to Obito, not the other way.
4. Hence, if only one of them awakened MS, it had to be actually Kakashi (who then sent it to Obito, like vision) and not Obito.

But I call it bs anyway, since they obviously awakened it at the same time, both of them.

the difference is maybe a millisecond. as shown in the 3rd panel

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

i do not agree with you....i agree with the fact that obito and kakashi got MS due to the situation they were in.....but since the eyes originally belong to obito... without him ....kakashi would have not gotten the MS.... obito had to literally be there to see it with both eyes looking at it to be able to get MS ....so if obito saw rin die(without kakashi being there to see it as well) he would not have gotten MS either.

now the panel that you are showing is one of my favs but i think you are overthinking the room here.....from what i interpret the panels are not together they are separated meaning that ...yes kakashi and obito are side by side but kishi drew them in different panels......the whole page you showed is just kishi drawing the sharingan into MS but he uses both kakashi and obito to show it for example he goes from the kakashi to the obito showing the progression of the eye ... the best way to think of it is to put all the panels in order in one column instead of two, and you'll see the progression. from 2 tomoe to MS.

 

[AlphaScythian]

The OP's theory makes much more sense than Obito awakening MS for Kakashi. And about the connection between the eyes argument:
1. The only evidence of the connection is Obito seeing through Kakashi's eye.
2. This means that Kakashi's vision was transferred to Obito.
3. In other words, the only known connection is Kakashi SENDING stuff to Obito, not the other way.
4. Hence, if only one of them awakened MS, it had to be actually Kakashi (who then sent it to Obito, like vision) and not Obito.
But I call it bs anyway, since they obviously awakened it at the same time, both of them.

4 points saying the same with different words? Are u trying to trick me or something?

Its obito's eye and obito's chakra in it.
Obito knew kakashi defeated stone jonin! Now we know why.
Obito could see with kakashi's eyes not the other way around is because his chakra is present there.
Its like orochimaru was watching from CM hosts, they didnt send him shit neither did kakashi.

 

[Takos]

4 points saying the same with different words? Are u trying to trick me or something?

Its obito's eye and obito's chakra in it.
Obito knew kakashi defeated stone jonin! Now we know why.
Obito could see with kakashi's eyes not the other way around is because his chakra is present there.
Its like orochimaru was watching from CM hosts, they didnt send him shit neither did kakashi.

The argument for Obito awakening MS for both him and Kakashi was in 100% based on the fact that Obito could see through Kakashi's eye.
If you throw this argument away, then this theory is 100% baseless, since there wasn't ANYTHING in the manga to indicate one person can awaken MS (or in fact, any kekkei genkai) for another.

 

[foxyladyland]

i agree to an extant but because he was close i still think the eyes connected and they both got ms cause after obito i dont think kakashi became friends with rin right away

i included the radius of distance part well it was quite a while i think since Obito "died" and he was crying Lol

i do not agree with you....i agree with the fact that obito and kakashi got MS due to the situation they were in.....but since the eyes originally belong to obito... without him ....kakashi would have not gotten the MS.... obito had to literally be there to see it with both eyes looking at it to be able to get MS ....so if obito saw rin die(without kakashi being there to see it as well) he would not have gotten MS either.

now the panel that you are showing is one of my favs but i think you are overthinking the room here.....from what i interpret the panels are not together they are separated meaning that ...yes kakashi and obito are side by side but kishi drew them in different panels......the whole page you showed is just kishi drawing the sharingan into MS but he uses both kakashi and obito to show it for example he goes from the kakashi to the obito showing the progression of the eye ... the best way to think of it is to put all the panels in order in one column instead of two, and you'll see the progression. from 2 tomoe to MS.

i see the progression...so you think the eyes needed to both exist for either of them to get MS...i don't think so because
Itachi programmed Sasuke to use Amateratsu and Itachi's MS showed up in Sasuke's eye..

4 points saying the same with different words? Are u trying to trick me or something?

Its obito's eye and obito's chakra in it.
Obito knew kakashi defeated stone jonin! Now we know why.
Obito could see with kakashi's eyes not the other way around is because his chakra is present there.
Its like orochimaru was watching from CM hosts, they didnt send him shit neither did kakashi.

it seems like they were trading paces + speed gaining the MS maybe....
so you feel that they are being shown at separate times kinda in that MS scene.

The argument for Obito awakening MS for both him and Kakashi was in 100% based on the fact that Obito could see through Kakashi's eye.
If you throw this argument away, then this theory is 100% baseless, since there wasn't ANYTHING in the manga to indicate one person can awaken MS (or in fact, any kekkei genkai) for another.

i think this says a lot ???

 

[Aertes]

Sorry but no.
U say kakashi got white pupil faster?
I say obito got design faster!
Non uchihas cannot unlock MS as they lack KKG or DNA that makes their brain provide chakra for awakening sharingan and even more so for MS. In case of MS this very same chakra imprint design on the eye.
Sharingan forcibly draws chakra from non uchiha users, only uchihas can turn it off.
At best emotional stress kakashi was feeling helped obito abit, but only obito unlocked it.

Edit: Had they activated their MS separately design would be different as its unique to user.

This all comes from knowledge Tobirama had on the Uchihas.Back then,non Uchiha had never held sharingan,it's only natural that Tobirama's knowledge about that matter comes from a limited sample.
Can you anatomically,biologically or neurologically back up a claim about this connection?
The eye was surgically separated from Obito's brain and from his optical neuron and connected to Kakashi's.How can the eye still be receiving anything from Obito's brain??It was separated from Obito's chakra system too.
As we've seen in genjutsu,a shinobi can extend his chakra flow through the cerebral nervous system and affect their five senses.This requires very good chakra control,something that Obito didn't had back then,but Kakashi had (developed raikiri,could easily get Rin out of the genjutsu on the cave). That can easily explain how Obito was seeing images through kakashi's eye.
How can Obito,in any way convey chakra to Kakashi's brain/eye??They were far away,they didn't have any contact,visual or physical and Kakashi's eye didn't have anything to connect it into Obito's brain.
Kakashi also fainted after the incident.If it was Obito's chakra that upgraded his eye,Kakashi's wouldn't have to spent any chakra on it,meaning that he wouldn't pass out from chakra exhaustion.