[Debate] Feminism, LGBT rights, and abortion.

[KartoffelChan]

Incest between partners is also consensual and non harmful if it involves two brothers. So is polygamy Face it, no matter how you put it, if you were to be legalizing gay marriage youd be opening the door for a whole lot of sexual perversions.

*opens mouth* Eh...? When did this get here? Also polygamy isn't bad, or immoral, really when you get down to it? Depends on the people in the relationships I guess? IMHO I think it's kind of a dumb idea because a lot of people tend to get jealous but *shrugs* It's not my business since I'm not involved in one?

Im ignorant? I bought myself this computer from government money based off an illness I acquired. Incest is not a perversion? Polygamy is not a perversion? What land are you from?

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Yeah because we sit and listen every week to a lecture for five years on how to behave we wind up being the ignorant ones while all you do is sit at home and crap more naruto down your throat. Right. At least ill have more respect for an extremely active atheist than the likes of you.

....Wha-?

The two brothers arguement will always be an arguement against gay marriage because those people are gay themselves, incest or not. Unless you can some how think of a way to fix that problem we have a crisis when it comes to gay marriage.

What...? The incest thing is more because people think that if you have a child with your father, or brother that the gentic pool is gunna get all messed up and you'll get a deformed baby? [tho that is sorta true it's nowhere near as awful as people make it out to be. Afterall how else would our numbers become so big if not for it in our earlier stages of evolution?] Two gay brothers have a 0.00000% of conceiving a child themselves? Unless, men are suddenly magical creatures who can sprout ovaries and a uterus? Mpreg is not real, dawg

You cant even have biological children, which is probably the only reason I want to get married in the first place, so believe me, Im not envious of you. I could have *** with any pornstar in the world and it would be just as clean as the stuff you came up with your boyfriend. Genetics? Please. Look at the variety of porn on the subject shall we? How many times is incest itself accompanied with some sort of adult video company? Lots of times.

Well that's your opinion on marriage? Like, a lot of people aren't educated about what rights we [LGBT community] want as far as marriage is concerned. In most states even a civil union is not equal to a marriage, no matter what politicians say, it's not. Especially in the south. Beyond that some people view marriage as more of a declaration of your undying love for your partner? After all, you can have a child out of wedlock? Seriously, it happens.

Also, WHAT? I just-?

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[Cornson]

Just because your for gay marriage doesn't mean you can't stop the obvious moral decline that would result if you started legalizing it.

the only moral decline there is, is the fact that religious people are "in charge" and get's to decide what's moral or not, and if 2 concenting adults that just happends to be brother and sister chose to be in a relationship, then what's the problem? (phedofilia is ofcause a whole other discussion)

You would have ZERO legal standing to prevent two brothers from marrying, and thus make yourself look like a hypocrite.

I know this was not directed at me, and you are just getting a point across but lets just ignore that for a second, what is exactly the problem with 2 brother getting married?

I could maybe understand it if if was between a brother and a sister, but then again... what exactly is the problem, if they are both concenting to it? Sure they might think long and hard about having kids (but they could always have 2 kids, one where the brothers speam is matched with a doner egg, and the sisters egg being pared up with a doners sperm) to prevent the kids being born without any genetic defects, but other than that, what exactly is the problem?

we have had many cultures in the human history where sister and brother, and cusins getting married have been see as perfectly okay, in fact in mayan culture the kings wore only allowed to marry within the bloodline, so is there any other reason that: Do to our current cultures moral stance on it? and if they chose to have kids there could be genetic defects?

The two brothers arguement will always be an arguement against gay marriage because those people are gay themselves, incest or not. Unless you can some how think of a way to fix that problem we have a crisis when it comes to gay marriage.

just like there wore a "crisis" with black and white people? when they wanted to be able to get married?

 

[~Yubel~]

In my opinion, i think people use the "you don't have a choice who you like" as an excuse to justify gay people.
As for feminists, they are all about equal rights at first sign but then you see that everything has double standards.

 

[Hunty]

In my opinion, i think people use the "you don't have a choice who you like" as an excuse to justify gay people.
As for feminists, they are all about equal rights at first sign but then you see that everything has double standards.

"Justify?" There's nothing to justify..

 

[HadouKage]

Well then I guess they wouldn't be here? That's pretty much it?



For me, personally, it's more along the lines of, "As long as it's consensual and non-harmful?" Like, pedophiles are wrong in my opinion because they don't have a fully consensual partner? Most kids don't know how *** works, ergo they can't give consent? Necrophiliacs...That's waaay off topic here. I'd say it's wrong because of the consent issue again [also it makes me squicky but eh~]

You do not have to have sexual relations with a child to be considered a Pedo. Necrophilliacs is not off topic. Why should the LGBT be the only ones to get equal rights when it was morally wrong back in the day? People are hypocrites, if everyone is to (truly) receive equal rights, then EVERYONE should have equal rights

 

[YowYan]

^ You're associating homosexuality with necrophilia and pedophilia? sigh..


I see some gullible fools here. I already posted around page 2 so I'll keep it short this time:

We're all one family underneath the sky. Homo-sexuals are human too with no 'sick' desires as brainwashed, indoctrinated religious kids on this base believe. Be more tolerant to what you don't understand (yet) and keep your ignorance at bay.

 

[Hunty]

^ You're associating homosexuality with necrophilia and pedophilia? sigh..


I see some gullible fools here. I already posted around page 2 so I'll keep it short this time:

We're all one family underneith the sky. Homo-sexuals are human too with no 'sick' desires as brainwashed, indoctrinated religious kids on this base believe. Be more tolerant to what you don't understand (yet) and keep your ignorance at bay.

You spelled "underneath" wrong. But I want to say, you're awesome. Thanks for all the help, we need people like you.

 

[HadouKage]

just like there wore a "crisis" with black and white people? when they wanted to be able to get married?

There was no negative benefits from interracial marriage. Whites just hated blacks and didn't want them to be on their level. That's not even relevant

 

[Hunty]

There was no negative benefits from interracial marriage. Whites just hated blacks and then want them to be on their level. That's not even relevant

It's not the "race," it's the hate. Gays are born that way, so are blacks. It's very relevant.

 

[HadouKage]

^ You're associating homosexuality with necrophilia and pedophilia? sigh..


I see some gullible fools here. I already posted around page 2 so I'll keep it short this time:

We're all one family underneith the sky. Homo-sexuals are human too with no 'sick' desires as brainwashed, indoctrinated religious kids on this base believe. Be more tolerant to what you don't understand (yet) and keep your ignorance at bay.

And homosexuality does concern desire? Desiring the same *** was considered socially and morally 'sick' at one time, what is your point? Everyone desires. In no way am I condoning necrophillia, pedophila or beastiality. As Zachfri has stated, what is wrong about two brothers or a brother and sister getting married if there is consent? Some people are influenced by factors that they cannot avoid (hence peodphillia), yet you hypocritically defend homosexuals when the process is one in the same I'm not being ignorant I'm just not being one sided

 

[YowYan]

You spelled "underneath" wrong. But I want to say, you're awesome. Thanks for all the help, we need people like you.

I'm dutch so my engrish grammar fails at times xD. But thanks for your consent.

 

[HadouKage]

It's not the "race," it's the hate. Gays are born that way, so are blacks. It's very relevant.

And race doesn't play a factor in human reproduction. It's not relevant. Like Zachfri has stated the same argument (except for being born that way, haven't seen any evidence) for homosexuals can apply to incest as well

 

[Hunty]

And homosexuality does concern desire? Desiring the same *** was considered socially and morally 'sick' at one time, what is your point? Everyone desires. In no way am I condoning necrophillia, pedophila or beastiality. As Zachfri has stated, what is wrong about two brothers or a brother and sister getting married if there is consent? Some people are influenced by negative effects that they cannot avoid (hence peodphillia), yet you hypocritically defend homosexuals when the process is one in the same I'm not being ignorant I'm just not being one sided

Oh, I thought we were done with this "Incest stuff."

It does not. You're not gay, you would not understand. "Desire", and "love" are too different things.

 

[HadouKage]

It does not. You're not gay, you would not understand. "Desire", and "love" are too different things.

2desire noun
Definition of DESIRE

1
: conscious impulse toward something that promises enjoyment or satisfaction in its attainment
2
a : longing, craving
b : sexual urge or appetite
3
: a usually formal request or petition for some action
4
: something desired
1de·sire verb \di-ˈzī(-ə)r, dē-\
de·siredde·sir·ing

Definition of DESIRE

transitive verb
1
: to long or hope for : exhibit or feel desire for <desire success>
2
a : to express a wish for : request <they desire an immediate answer>
b archaic : to express a wish to : ask
3
obsolete : invite
4
archaic : to feel the loss of

Both the noun and some of the verb versions of the the word 'desire' fit with what I just said. Love and desire can be used inversely with one another as both often lead to the same result

 

[Hunty]

Than in terms, yes. Everyone has desire. BUT, IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S ONLY BASED DESIRE.

 

[HadouKage]

That's debatable.

How is that debatable?

Than in terms, yes. Everyone has desire. BUT, IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S ONLY BASED DESIRE.

You are making no sense

 

[Hunty]

Sorry, I had a "Levi Moment." Anyway, I was saying gay relationship are not based on desire. I have been with my boyfriend for one-year. Me and him are getting married. Where's the logic in what you're saying?!

 

[Zachfri]

^ You're associating homosexuality with necrophilia and pedophilia? sigh..


I see some gullible fools here. I already posted around page 2 so I'll keep it short this time:

We're all one family underneath the sky. Homo-sexuals are human too with no 'sick' desires as brainwashed, indoctrinated religious kids on this base believe. Be more tolerant to what you don't understand (yet) and keep your ignorance at bay.

You are the only one that is truly ignorant. I lived a very sheltered, secular lifestyle before I converted to Christianity. I choose to believe in God because it was of my own choosing, not being forced to go to church every sunday as a child. I am an extremely active evangelist that encounters complete strangers almost every day for conversions or am being lectured on the finer points of scripture each day. So I love it when ignorant brats call me ignorant. It was not until I stepped into the real world that I realized just how evil things are, and how people's right are being manipulated left and right. Particularly the mentally ill.

 

[HadouKage]

Sorry, I had a "Levi Moment." Anyway, I was saying gay relationship are not based on desire. I have been with my boyfriend for one-year. Me and him are getting married. Where's the logic in what you're saying?!

2desire noun
Definition of DESIRE

1
: conscious impulse toward something that promises enjoyment or satisfaction in its attainment
2
a : longing, craving
b : sexual urge or appetite
3
: a usually formal request or petition for some action
4
: something desired
1de·sire verb \di-ˈzī(-ə)r, dē-\
de·siredde·sir·ing

Definition of DESIRE

transitive verb
1
: to long or hope for : exhibit or feel desire for <desire success>
2
a : to express a wish for : request <they desire an immediate answer>
b archaic : to express a wish to : ask
3
obsolete : invite
4
archaic : to feel the loss of

Both the noun and some of the verb versions of the the word 'desire' fit with what I just said. Love and desire can be used inversely with one another as both often lead to the same result

Thought I just gave you the definition of desire. I can assure you right now that most of the definitions of 'desire' fit you to a tee. There's plenty logic, provided the fact that you just proved my point stating you have a male partner

"Two brothers," WHAT THE DUCK! We're not talking about brothers. We're talking about my right to get married with my boyfriend, my chance to spend my life with someone I love.

You also prove my point here as well

 

[YowYan]

You are the only one that is truly ignorant. I lived a very sheltered, secular lifestyle before I converted to Christianity. I choose to believe in God because it was of my own choosing, not being forced to go to church every sunday as a child. I am an extremely active evangelist that encounters complete strangers almost every day for conversions or am being lectured on the finer points of scripture each day. So I love it when ignorant brats call me ignorant. It was not until I stepped into the real world that I realized just how evil things are, and how people's right are being manipulated left and right. Particularly the mentally ill.

You're still ignorant mate. Fanatically following an organized belief system not open for subject to interpretation is a fail at that. Also, I highly respect the bible, it's just funny that christians cannot interpret it's teachings the correct way filling their heads with the dogma that also lurks within the bible's pages. I'm not going to deep into this, but please, concerning religion, astrotheology, alchemy, ancient to present day civilizations.. there's a load you could learn from me or my family as they're all spiritual + into freemasonry/symbolism. I remember inviting 2 jehovah's witnesses inside. Politely debunked all they knew.

But you're on the right path. If, someday, you wake up.. You'll transcend the mental boundaries that organized religion bring you. And by then, your words will have content.