Questions about the warping near the end of 628

[euphemism]

So, first the facts:

1. Obito's Kamui can warp himself, warp others (suck them into his eye if he gets close enough, or warp them out his eye from the other dimension), or Render himself intangible

2. Obito cannot do more than one of these at once. Cannot warp and be intangible at the same time. Cannot warp himself and the enemy at the same time...ect

3. Kakashi's Kamui can warp objects distant or close.

4. Kakashi can warp himself between dimensions. (He did this after he punched Obito in the other dimension)

After reviewing these facts, don't some of you find it weird that both Kakashi and Obito were warping away together? Obito could not do both, so it has to be the result of them both using Kamui on each other simultaneously.

Discuss.

 

[Fountain]

*Sigh* Obito warped kakashi and kakashi warped obito at same time, they did kamui at same time resulting in both of them being sent to another dimension. Why is this so complicated...

 

[Calpal]

So, first the facts:

1. Obito's Kamui can warp himself, warp others (suck them into his eye if he gets close enough, or warp them out his eye from the other dimension), or Render himself intangible

2. Obito cannot do more than one of these at once. Cannot warp and be intangible at the same time. Cannot warp himself and the enemy at the same time...ect

3. Kakashi's Kamui can warp objects distant or close.

4. Kakashi can warp himself between dimensions. (He did this after he punched Obito in the other dimension)

After reviewing these facts, don't some of you find it weird that both Kakashi and Obito were warping away together? Obito could not do both, so it has to be the result of them both using Kamui on each other simultaneously.

Discuss.

yeah, remember how obito said he was waiting for kakashi to try and kamui the juubi, so when kakashi tried to suck in the juubi obito used his at the same time.

lol the will smith diglett avatar

 

[Memoria]

I think the one who used it was Kakashi. It was after he told Naruto to handle things there. He wouldn't have said that if he wasn't planning on teleporting Obito with him into the other dimension.

 

[Fountain]

What is up with everyone assuming it was either obito or kakashi. Did you not see the bottom of that that page where it clearly shows obito and kakashi being warped at same time? Did you not read that entire panel? :| this is like, not even elementary to understand.

Re-read manga again people.

 

[FinalFighterX]

its more likely that they both did teleport each other since that's the impression the page gave me. I think kishi meant for it to symbolize something like "Obito and Kakashi are now equals and they are going to settle their rivalry of when they were kids once and for all" dattebayo!

 

[Almighty Ra]

It's very clear they warped each other

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[ShonenAnimeFreak]

i dont think kakashi can warp himself to the dimesion, just out of it
he has never warped himself into it

 

[Ero sennin jiraiya]

I figured it was just Obito because I didn't think Kakashi could warp himself....Manga chapter he does this? Not doubting you just want to see the evidence myself so I can come to a conclusion. Not that it matter that much how they got there, they are both there now.

BTW I believe Obito can warp himself and someone else at the same time. He's done it before with Sasuke at the 5 kage summit.

 

[euphemism]

*Sigh* Obito warped kakashi and kakashi warped obito at same time, they did kamui at same time resulting in both of them being sent to another dimension. Why is this so complicated...

What is up with everyone assuming it was either obito or kakashi. Did you not see the bottom of that that page where it clearly shows obito and kakashi being warped at same time? Did you not read that entire panel? :| this is like, not even elementary to understand.

Re-read manga again people.

The point of this thread was to question how Kakashi gained the ability to warp himself to the other dimension. A feat he has never done.

Try reading the OP before you go off on me: "so it has to be the result of them both using Kamui on each other simultaneously."

Why is this so complicated? Reading the OP is pretty elementary...

 

[Takos]

The point of this thread was to question how Kakashi gained the ability to warp himself to the other dimension. A feat he has never done.

Never done? He's warped himself out of the other dimension, it would be very weird if he could not do it the other way.

I agree that Obito and Kakashi warped themselves simultaneously. This makes the most sense.

 

[euphemism]

He only showed he could warp out, just like he only showed he could warp objects into the other dimension. Obito can only warp things out of his sharingan, he has never warped an item from far away like Kakashi did. They are yin and yang so it seems odd that Kakashi can do this now.

 

[grenwood]

the people that say kakashi cant warp other people to the dimension idiots. yes he hasnt been shown warp "himself", but the first several times he used kamui, he was warping objects as well as other people into the dimension. he has even warped people and entire tailed beasts out of the demenson while he is not in it. who in their right mind would not only think, but say that kakashi cant warp other people into the dimension when hes been doing it for 300 something chapters. hell just since the begining of this fight, hes warped not only a naruto clone but an entire tailed beast both ways.

on topic: i was also relatively confused about this. i was under the the impression that obito warped kakashi and then himself as well, only warping himself because he knew kakashi would escape if he didnt join kakashi in the dimension and kill him. now i see they both went in at the same time. this is very strange, because the only way that could posibly work is if obito attemted to warp kakashi but failed beacause kakashi warped both of them before obito could start warping. the reason for this being the only possibility is because kakashis kamui cuts off whatever is left outside of the warp zone. since obito was clearly touching kakashi thus leaving no opening between the two for kakshi to warp only obito and not himself. if he had warped only obito, then at least part of the arm obito was touching kakashi with would have been cut off.

 

[grenwood]

sorry for double posting, i was afraid that people would stop reading before the first part where i explained why it was so obvious and factual that kakashi could warp other people into the dimension, thus missing my opinion on the op's questions.

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i was also relatively confused about this. i was under the the impression that obito warped kakashi and then himself as well, only warping himself because he knew kakashi would escape if he didnt join kakashi in the dimension and kill him. now i see they both went in at the same time.

this is very strange, because the only way that could posibly work is if obito attemted to warp kakashi but failed beacause kakashi warped both of them before obito could start warping.

the reason for this being the only possibility is because kakashis kamui cuts off whatever is left outside of the warp zone.

since obito was clearly touching kakashi thus leaving no opening between the two for kakshi to warp only obito and not himself.

if he had warped only obito, then at least part of the arm obito was touching kakashi with would have been cut off.



in case you couldnt tell, i also separated it a little in an attempt to make it easier to read, because i know some nbers dont like to read blocks of texts.

 

[euphemism]

Also, why did Kakashi's chakra shroud not deflect Obito?

 

[Sentinel]

obito is clearly capable of warping himself and other people to this dimension and from it at the same time, he did it with sasuke and karin at the same time when he put them in front of danzo. (chapter 457 page 16)

so the question is not if he is capable, but what happend in this case?
personaly I would like to belive only obito was using his kamui, he is clearly looking for an answer concerning friendship and even though he doesn't say it I got the idea that he is starting to wonder (even just a little bit) if he made a mistake concerning kakashi. and I think kakashi would let himself being sucked in because he noticed this and also the kamui has a much bigger effect on his reserves then when obito uses it
as to why naruto's shroud on kakashi did not deflect obito, I don't know, but it's obvious that naruto is the one controlling all the chakra shrouds

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

What is up with everyone assuming it was either obito or kakashi. Did you not see the bottom of that that page where it clearly shows obito and kakashi being warped at same time? Did you not read that entire panel? :| this is like, not even elementary to understand.

So, first the facts:



2. Obito cannot do more than one of these at once. Cannot warp and be intangible at the same time. Cannot warp himself and the enemy at the same time...ect

Discuss.

Re-read manga again people.

not sure about you but it looks like tobi warping himself AND sasuke AND Karin at the same time.

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[grenwood]

Also, why did Kakashi's chakra shroud not deflect Obito?

the chackra shroud doesnt deflect anything. if it did it would be more op then obitos kamui. naruto wouldve finished madara almost imediately. it does protect from hits, but it doesnt make you untouchable. also its questionable whether or not the chackra shrouds that naruto is handing out even protect from anything. they definitely increase the chackra of the recipient, they might even make them faster although the only person wearing one that has shown any feats of speed is rock lee which means we cant say for sure if the charity cloaks make everyone faster. anyway the cloak surounding everyone other than naruto look like like the one that naruto uses in full biju mode which was anything but solid considering both kakashi and guy were standing in the middle of it. point is even if it is solid enough to offer even a little protection, it wouldnt stop anyone from simply touching kakashi, and kakashi if he were to warp only obito, and not make a big boundary that surounds both of them completely, would have cut off at least a part of obitos arm. obito would be one handed.

 

[euphemism]

the chackra shroud doesnt deflect anything.

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"Reread the manga people"

So why didn't this happen to obito?