Naruto(with kyuubi) is NOT immune to genjutsu

[Frikid]

The 4 people shown to be able to perfectly manipulate a Bijuu was before Naruto's KM/BM...
I undoubtly say that now he's the finest manipulater of a Bijuu(esp. Kurama, hardest of all to control)

That was when Kurama was sealed and held strictly by the seal formulas i.e. he wasn't free even being sealed(look at your given scan)... In Naruto's case, he was just imprisoned in a cage, that's why he'd sometime get into Naruto's mind and distort him...

Now's different case, they both are allies and free... If one is caught in a genjutsu, other'd help him and same with the opposite...
Only genjutsu capable of getting such opponents is Tsukiyomi, because it's instant when executed... even if one learns about that a genjutsu is casted upon other, that'd be too late... Tsukiyomi till then would have done the damage...


Other than Tsukiyomi, no type of genjutsu works on Naruto...(IMO not even KA[debatable/VMing])

Kurama is NOT hardest to control, if he was, uchiha wont be trolling him with only 3t genjutsu.

It is irrelevant if he was free or not, since he wasn't able to breakthrough the genjutsu even after he was set free in konoha.

The same case was with yagura yet he got trolled with genjutsu.

I don't disagree, tsukiyomi can do pretty decent damage against naruto.

Obito, controlled yagura with 3t only. naruto and yagura , both are perfect jinchuriki .

I think Naruto with the help of kurama can dispel illusion.

even i used to think so, but then while i was reading previous manga chapters, i saw yagura getting controlled by obito and i made this thread.

The fail is over 9000 U_U

Naruto has complete immunity to all genjutsus U_U I don't know how Tobi was able to control Yagura..but hey its Tobi, the greatest Genjutsu user of NV... still Tobi could not put Naruto under a genjutsu in this fight meaning even he knows its pointless U_U

Why do you even bother to post in my threads? you obviously don't read them, then when you try to counter my arguments , you fail miserably and then you leave the thread saying i am fanboy.

i respect everyone's opinion if presented in a good/organised manner.

Stop making threads.

Thank you for the suggestion.

Yagura was not a perfect jinchūriki so he was controlled by Madara. If yagura was a perfect jinchūriki he or the 3 tails have mentioned it when they meet Naruto with the other bijuu's.


Sasuke who is said to be having ocular powers greater than Itachi was not even able to control 8 tais because he was Perfect Jinchūriki and which got him owned by hands of Bee.

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yagura wasn't perfect jin? Manga says otherwise.

Danzo clearly said sasuke was inferior to itachi in terms of genjutsu.

 

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[Sea Of Thy Soul]

The only problem with the first scan was the maybe part.
It seems as though Danzo wasn't sure if the 4'th Mizukage really was a perfect Jinchuuriki.
I don't really know.

 

[roncato]

killer bee contradicts your statement

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Owned. N1

 

[Memoria]

Yagura is a perfect Jinchuuriki, but is he friends with his Bijuu? Or does he control it with force?
Where is your proof of Yagura being friends with his Bijuu? If you don't have the proof then your whole argument is proven null and void.

 

[Frikid]

Yagura is a perfect Jinchuuriki, but is he friends with his Bijuu? Or does he control it with force?
Where is your proof of Yagura being friends with his Bijuu? If you don't have the proof then your whole argument is null and void.

You can't be called a perfect jinchuriki if you are not friends with your own beast.

 

[~Zonta~]

yagura wasn't perfect jin? Manga says otherwise.

Danzo clearly said sasuke was inferior to itachi in terms of genjutsu.

Well Danzo's and Konoha's most of the Ninja's didn't knew anything about the Bijuu's and Jin. If Danzo's info
was right then he would have know that the person who is wearing mask is not madara but some other person.

but the man who knew everything was Obito and may be his opinion will convince you here ....

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Sasuke's eyes will surpass Itachi was also said by Obito to pain check it here

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[Memoria]

You can't be called a perfect jinchuriki if you are not friends with your own beast.

Where did you pull that from? Because I'm sure as hell the manga is not an option.
Also, no proof? Expected no less.

 

[DeathandEnvy]

Your a lil confused, you say that Kurama got controlled with a sharingan well that is true but in the case of Bee and the Eight tails and Naruto and Kurama is much different, they have full control over their tailed beasts and as stated by bee himself if you have "full" control genjutsu will not work on you.

 

[YellowFang]

Kurama is NOT hardest to control, if he was, uchiha wont be trolling him with only 3t genjutsu.

It is irrelevant if he was free or not, since he wasn't able to breakthrough the genjutsu even after he was set free in konoha.

The same case was with yagura yet he got trolled with genjutsu.

I don't disagree, tsukiyomi can do pretty decent damage against naruto.

Obito, controlled yagura with 3t only. naruto and yagura , both are perfect jinchuriki .

Kurama is strongest of all and even other Bijuus agree on this... It's just that Uchiha were granted with the power to manipulate Kyuubi as they want anytime as stated by Itachi and many times demonstrated by Madara...

Since Kurama hadn't any partners then, he couldn't get out on his own... Now Naruto is 24/7 available to break him out of it...

Your provided scan says..."and Maybe Yagura", that's an assumption and after going through some overlook, it's definite that he wasn't...

Yagura isn't perfect jin... (mutual harmony is required b/w both entities...)
And if Yagura was one, it'd have been mentioned clearly, not with a 'Maybe'

 

[Exaar]

We have no idea of the circumstances that obito controlled sanbi's host. Sasuke Failed to do what a One Eyed obito succeeded at.
You also forget Obito has alot of things sasuke doesn't, Hashi's cells, Access to Gedo Mazo or atleast it's chakras, Zetsu and so on. Obviously Perfect jins aren't immune to Genjutsu, But they can break it extremely easily.

I might ask why he has yet to try to controll Bee or Naruto. It's clear that the Genjutsu used on the mizukage wasn't just an average form of Genjutsu

 

[AaaaNinja]

There is control of a tailed-beast, and there is cooperation. If you're in control of a tailed-beast, and then you get caught in a genjutsu, you're not exactly someone who can call themselves in control. If you have a tailed beast who is cooperative and who can think for themselves, they are able to act independently to give you aid, such as breaking you out of a genjutsu. The fact that the 4th Mizukage was controlled tells me that he and his tailed beast weren't a team.

The examples of Hinata and Sakura slapping Naruto both have to do with waking him up from being mentally stunned. He was not in a genjutsu in either of them. In Hinata's case he was reeling from Neji's death and Obito's words. In Sakura's case he was already free from the genjutsu. The condition she was 'waking' him from was shock.

Naruto was not a perfect jinchuuriki in the examples that you shared in the OP. In the case where Itachi caught Naruto, the ninetails and him were not in cooperation. He's not going to cooperate and help Naruto escape genjutsu. In fact, the ninetails wants Naruto to be driven into desperation in order to entice him into using even a little bit of kyuubi chakra. That's the whole part of his strategy for trying to escape.

I'm going to post this again even though someone else has already pointed it out. Killer Bee calls his tailed beast his partner.

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[Memoria]

We have no idea of the circumstances that obito controlled sanbi's host. Sasuke Failed to do what a One Eyed obito succeeded at.
You also forget Obito has alot of things sasuke doesn't, Hashi's cells, Access to Gedo Mazo or atleast it's chakras, Zetsu and so on. Obviously Perfect jins aren't immune to Genjutsu, But they can break it extremely easily.

I might ask why he has yet to try to controll Bee or Naruto. It's clear that the Genjutsu used on the mizukage wasn't just an average form of Genjutsu

Yagura wasn't friends with his Bijuu. He might've had some form of control over his Bijuu, but not in complete sympathize with it. I believe that's the only explanation to all of that, since the manga never said anything about the meaning of 'perfect Jinchuuriki'.

 

[Turson]

Yet again Sasuke fanboy wants to nerf Naruto.

 

[Kristjan]

There is control of a tailed-beast, and there is cooperation. If you're in control of a tailed-beast, and then you get caught in a genjutsu, you're not exactly someone who can call themselves in control. If you have a tailed beast who is cooperative and who can think for themselves, they are able to act independently to give you aid, such as breaking you out of a genjutsu. The fact that the 4th Mizukage was controlled tells me that he and his tailed beast weren't a team.

This, yaguras tailbeast just didint care inaf to break him out of the genjutsu as he was controlling him with power. Not like Naruto or Bee

 

[TrollingSage]

You can't be called a perfect jinchuriki if you are not friends with your own beast.

That's why Danzo never used the term "perfect jinchuriki". Having control over his tailed beast could simply mean being able typo use a large amount of the bijuu's chakra, like km Naruto. When Tsunade first saw Naruto's km, she said Naruto had gained control of the fox.
Also every Uchiha who has controlled kurama had ms. Ms is required to control the fox. That's a manga fact.

 

[Frikid]

Well Danzo's and Konoha's most of the Ninja's didn't knew anything about the Bijuu's and Jin. If Danzo's info
was right then he would have know that the person who is wearing mask is not madara but some other person.

but the man who knew everything was Obito and may be his opinion will convince you here ....

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Sasuke's eyes will surpass Itachi was also said by Obito to pain check it here

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Sasuke is inferior to itachi in terms of genjutsu as shown here :

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Though EMS might change this as he also have itachi's eyes now.

Danzo is one of the most knowledgeable ninja in naruto verse. He was the leader of anbu and one of the village elders. If he says yagura is perfect jin, then yagura is indeed perfect jin.
Also there isn't any evidence in the manga which contradicts this fact.4th Mizukage and all the other kages, also didn't deny it when danzo stated this fact, so it most likely confirms it.

Where did you pull that from? Because I'm sure as hell the manga is not an option.
Also, no proof? Expected no less.

:sy: So you want to say yagura, a little kid, was fully able to manipulate that tailed beast without his cooperation ? Also, naruto only became perfect jinchuriki, when kurama actually started to help him.
After kurama befriended naruto, thats what obito said :

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This is the exact same thing , danzo said for both bee and yagura.

Again you don't have any "proof" to back up your statement which suggests perfect jinchuriki aren't friends with their bijju.

Your a lil confused, you say that Kurama got controlled with a sharingan well that is true but in the case of Bee and the Eight tails and Naruto and Kurama is much different, they have full control over their tailed beasts and as stated by bee himself if you have "full" control genjutsu will not work on you.

Both kurama and naruto are weak towards genjutsu. Obito can control yagura, so, he can also control naruto.

Kurama is strongest of all and even other Bijuus agree on this... It's just that Uchiha were granted with the power to manipulate Kyuubi as they want anytime as stated by Itachi and many times demonstrated by Madara...

Since Kurama hadn't any partners then, he couldn't get out on his own... Now Naruto is 24/7 available to break him out of it...

Your provided scan says..."and Maybe Yagura", that's an assumption and after going through some overlook, it's definite that he wasn't...

Yagura isn't perfect jin... (mutual harmony is required b/w both entities...)
And if Yagura was one, it'd have been mentioned clearly, not with a 'Maybe'

Strongest in raw power and chakra, not in intelligence which is why madara could control it.

That was sh*tty translation.i updated the link Viz media scan.

We have no idea of the circumstances that obito controlled sanbi's host. Sasuke Failed to do what a One Eyed obito succeeded at.
You also forget Obito has alot of things sasuke doesn't, Hashi's cells, Access to Gedo Mazo or atleast it's chakras, Zetsu and so on. Obviously Perfect jins aren't immune to Genjutsu, But they can break it extremely easily.

I might ask why he has yet to try to controll Bee or Naruto. It's clear that the Genjutsu used on the mizukage wasn't just an average form of Genjutsu

MS sasuke failed at that. agree.

it is quite pointless to control someone in genjutsu if you have 10,000 people standing beside those two guys, who can disrupt chakra and break it easily. Byakugan users can tell if he is in genjutsu or not.

There is control of a tailed-beast, and there is cooperation. If you're in control of a tailed-beast, and then you get caught in a genjutsu, you're not exactly someone who can call themselves in control. If you have a tailed beast who is cooperative and who can think for themselves, they are able to act independently to give you aid, such as breaking you out of a genjutsu. The fact that the 4th Mizukage was controlled tells me that he and his tailed beast weren't a team.

The examples of Hinata and Sakura slapping Naruto both have to do with waking him up from being mentally stunned. He was not in a genjutsu in either of them. In Hinata's case he was reeling from Neji's death and Obito's words. In Sakura's case he was already free from the genjutsu. The condition she was 'waking' him from was shock.

Naruto was not a perfect jinchuuriki in the examples that you shared in the OP. In the case where Itachi caught Naruto, the ninetails and him were not in cooperation. He's not going to cooperate and help Naruto escape genjutsu. In fact, the ninetails wants Naruto to be driven into desperation in order to entice him into using even a little bit of kyuubi chakra. That's the whole part of his strategy for trying to escape.

i will get back at you soon enough.

 

[sasuke base]

I said the same thing no one is immune to genjustu the thread i mad was better even tho i didnt read but genjustu can infact be used against anybod perfect jinjurikin too. I will make another thread and watch as ignorant people still believe they are immune genjustu.on my phone right know when i vet home i will prove to the world again that genjust can infact be used against pj in a fight.

 

[Exaar]

MS sasuke failed at that. agree.

it is quite pointless to control someone in genjutsu if you have 10,000 people standing beside those two guys, who can disrupt chakra and break it easily. Byakugan users can tell if he is in genjutsu or not.
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Obito has plenty of opportunities of Casting Genjutsu when it was just Naruto and Bee, Long befor the shinobi army joined the battle.

If a host was so easily controlled, Obito wouldn't of needed to do half the shit he has done in the current war.

Also if disupting chakra could so easily break Obito's genjutsu, Then there was nothing from stopping the mizukages bijuu from doing the same thing, Unless he wasn't a perfect host and had limited controll, Or obito's "Genjutsu" wasn't all he had done to the mizukage.

 

[Frikid]

There is control of a tailed-beast, and there is cooperation. If you're in control of a tailed-beast, and then you get caught in a genjutsu, you're not exactly someone who can call themselves in control. If you have a tailed beast who is cooperative and who can think for themselves, they are able to act independently to give you aid, such as breaking you out of a genjutsu. The fact that the 4th Mizukage was controlled tells me that he and his tailed beast weren't a team.

The examples of Hinata and Sakura slapping Naruto both have to do with waking him up from being mentally stunned. He was not in a genjutsu in either of them. In Hinata's case he was reeling from Neji's death and Obito's words. In Sakura's case he was already free from the genjutsu. The condition she was 'waking' him from was shock.

Naruto was not a perfect jinchuuriki in the examples that you shared in the OP. In the case where Itachi caught Naruto, the ninetails and him were not in cooperation. He's not going to cooperate and help Naruto escape genjutsu. In fact, the ninetails wants Naruto to be driven into desperation in order to entice him into using even a little bit of kyuubi chakra. That's the whole part of his strategy for trying to escape.

I'm going to post this again even though someone else has already pointed it out. Killer Bee calls his tailed beast his partner.

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"illusions wont work on host who can control their beast" - B

"the only few who have achieved true control over biju are ... 4th mizukage yagura ...." - danzo.

^ it is one and the same thing.

1. It Confirms yagura is perfect jinchuriki.
2. Perfect jinchuriki(yagura) have been controlled under a genjutsu .
3. Naruto/kyuubi both are weak under genjutsu and can be controlled by a good genjutsu user just like how yagura was controlled.

Obito has plenty of opportunities of Casting Genjutsu when it was just Naruto and Bee, Long befor the shinobi army joined the battle.

1. Plot wont allow the hero to be captured.
2. In his battle against obito, bee was always with him. Guy and kakashi also came to the spot after few minutes/hours.

If a host was so easily controlled, Obito wouldn't of needed to do half the shit he has done in the current war.

Also if disupting chakra could so easily break Obito's genjutsu, Then there was nothing from stopping the mizukages bijuu from doing the same thing, Unless he wasn't a perfect host and had limited controll, Or obito's "Genjutsu" wasn't all he had done to the mizukage.

Again, this is how the plot works.
tbh, obito could just warp to naruto when he was genin/chunnin level and extract the bijju at that time, no?

OR maybe, he simply put both of them under his genjutsu at the same time and fully controlled him the way they want. Obito was controlling the kyuubi and fighting hokage at the same time, so compared to that, this is cake walk lol.