Hashirama and Tobirama underestimate Minato
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Yea, but what in the hell is FTW? And all of the conclusions he made were based on nothing and without any supporting evidence or reasoning....
Like, he didn't try to fight the bijuu? are you serious? lol
veggetta13
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++Minato is, Naruto´s father, and apart from naruto being a jinchuuriki, inhereted both, kushina´s massive chakra, and Minato´s let´s say out of the ordinary chakra.
It´s not about brute force, but how you use it. It is stated simply that way in the manga through minato´s swift, and incredibly effective fighting skills. Need an extra e.g.?
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It´s not about brute force, but how you use it. It is stated simply that way in the manga through minato´s swift, and incredibly effective fighting skills. Need an extra e.g.?
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Rikudou Sennin balls
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Minato wasn't a strong hokage but he made that up with speed and intellect. I think they'd be really shocked to see how skillful he is.
valandil988
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Well lets look at feats,
Start with Hashirama.
He can defeat the Kyuubi no sweat.
Need we say more on that with regards to Minato lol.
Tobirama was likely a scientist much like Orochimaru which created original jutsu.
Hiraishin, Edo Tensei (its possible that this is actually an Uzumaki jutsu rather then an original one), advanced water manipulation.
Its highly possible that he has more to show. But we can't say for sure if he has faced the Kyuubi so in that sense he does not match his brother.
Hiruzen? Well we don't have any feats for him really but I would consider living to be elderly to be a feat. Neither first or second Hokage managed this. If not shear strength this denotes that he was smarter then both combined.
Minato? He killed an army of fodders, big deal.
One original jutsu the Rasengan much like Kakashi and his Chidori and its derivative, advanced knowledge of seals mostly taught to him by his wife/girlfriend.
Died facing the Kyuubi after an incredibly short reign even compared to Hashirama's.
So no I don't think they are underestimating him, they are head and shoulders above him quite simply.
Do you think Hiruzen was walking into a candy shop where he had his pick of the best when choosing the next Hokage? Tsunade had buggered off, Jiraiya didnt want it, Orochimaru didn't give two shits about anyone but himself and the rest of Konoha was made up of fodders with Minato being the best.
Kushina would have been a better hokage lol.
That is not a joke...literally she would have been. With her unique abilities she could have matched some of Hashirama's feats lol.
Start with Hashirama.
He can defeat the Kyuubi no sweat.
Need we say more on that with regards to Minato lol.
Tobirama was likely a scientist much like Orochimaru which created original jutsu.
Hiraishin, Edo Tensei (its possible that this is actually an Uzumaki jutsu rather then an original one), advanced water manipulation.
Its highly possible that he has more to show. But we can't say for sure if he has faced the Kyuubi so in that sense he does not match his brother.
Hiruzen? Well we don't have any feats for him really but I would consider living to be elderly to be a feat. Neither first or second Hokage managed this. If not shear strength this denotes that he was smarter then both combined.
Minato? He killed an army of fodders, big deal.
One original jutsu the Rasengan much like Kakashi and his Chidori and its derivative, advanced knowledge of seals mostly taught to him by his wife/girlfriend.
Died facing the Kyuubi after an incredibly short reign even compared to Hashirama's.
So no I don't think they are underestimating him, they are head and shoulders above him quite simply.
Do you think Hiruzen was walking into a candy shop where he had his pick of the best when choosing the next Hokage? Tsunade had buggered off, Jiraiya didnt want it, Orochimaru didn't give two shits about anyone but himself and the rest of Konoha was made up of fodders with Minato being the best.
Kushina would have been a better hokage lol.
That is not a joke...literally she would have been. With her unique abilities she could have matched some of Hashirama's feats lol.
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NarutoKage2
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Agreed. Minato was probably underrated by them and has better feats than all the other hokages except hashirama.
Just look at the facts. All the hokages had their asses sealed by a jutsu the 3rd copied from minato.
If hiruzen was'nt such an old fart, orochimaru's entire soul would be sealed and he'd have never figured out the unseal jutsu.
Minato solod the 2 strongest kumo shinobi, Killer bee and raikage A.
Tobirama almost died against vastly inferior kinkaku and ginkaku.
And he got killed by 20 bounty hunters, minato roflstomped 50 Iwa shinobi who had impressive doton techs.
And he single handedly won a shinobi world war.
The 2nd/3rd hokages can't even come close to those kind of feats. He's the most skillful hokage, and the 2nd in term of being able to beat an opponent one on one. The guy was basically a legend who inspired awe and fear, he was called the savior and the destined child. The 4th raikage A said he thought minato would never be surpassed, i never heard any kage from another village say something like that about Hiruzen or Tobirama. Heck, we even saw the revived 2nd Mizukage and tsuchikage, yet they had nothing to say about Tobirama, only thing we hear is he was laughed at by kin gin. Sorry he can't compete with a legend.
Just look at the facts. All the hokages had their asses sealed by a jutsu the 3rd copied from minato.
If hiruzen was'nt such an old fart, orochimaru's entire soul would be sealed and he'd have never figured out the unseal jutsu.
Minato solod the 2 strongest kumo shinobi, Killer bee and raikage A.
Tobirama almost died against vastly inferior kinkaku and ginkaku.
And he got killed by 20 bounty hunters, minato roflstomped 50 Iwa shinobi who had impressive doton techs.
And he single handedly won a shinobi world war.
The 2nd/3rd hokages can't even come close to those kind of feats. He's the most skillful hokage, and the 2nd in term of being able to beat an opponent one on one. The guy was basically a legend who inspired awe and fear, he was called the savior and the destined child. The 4th raikage A said he thought minato would never be surpassed, i never heard any kage from another village say something like that about Hiruzen or Tobirama. Heck, we even saw the revived 2nd Mizukage and tsuchikage, yet they had nothing to say about Tobirama, only thing we hear is he was laughed at by kin gin. Sorry he can't compete with a legend.
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valandil988
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valandil988
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Not the same thing, inherited bloodline does not equal reverse engineering a jutsu for yourself. I'm not saying Minato wasn't one smart guy to actually do that but he is retracing the steps of the second. I mean at least he has an original jutsu, I have the same tiff with naruto lol.
Also Minato faced the Hachibi which has been shown to have distinct qualities to its chakra. So that does not mean he could say defeat Naruto at 6 or 7 tails if Pain could barely do it....well Minato has no chance just like the second wouldn't have a chance.
Also depends what version of kinkaku and ginkaku, if they have kyuubi cloak or not, sages tools or not. And the second survived...
Minato did not invent the dead daemon consuming seal, that he got from Kushina, its an Uzumaki jutsu as shown by Orochimaru when he cuts open the death god. The third did not copy it from him. He got it from Kushina through Minato.
Again you all reference the fodder Iwa ninja, all of which were going up against an unknown jutsu. Tobirama went up against the kinkaku and ginkaku squad an elite of kumo and they KNEW his jutsu and capabilities. Not a bunch of Chunin and Jonin from Iwa with non descriptive prowess with no knowledge of minato's powers. Its not like he faced Onoki personally alongside the army...
fighting under pressure isn't easy, hashi never fought madara and kurama under pressure.. Imagine Minato situation, protecting his family, the village and fighting tobi at the same time plus kurama is incomparable.. He also died intentionally cos he can survived if he truly want to but he did everything to save the future of the village and his son..
veggetta13
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Ehhm. Noooooooooo!
ladies thumbs up, besides that, you took one in and got your hand taken away.
Having chakra and sealing skills don´t turn Kushina into a lethal weapon. Probably u didn´t notice, but as good as her clan could´ve been in sealing jutsu, it was ENTIRELY WIPED OUT. sO,
that tells us a bit of how effective those skills are in actual combat. When Minato is quick as a bullet, cool fast thinker (as naruto is), and practical tactical use of his knowledge (that meANS HE KNOWs HOW TO USE WHAT HE KNOWS: ORO- he knows most of the jutsus in the manga and has taken crap lots of times, yes, being defeated.
I am an Oro fan so I know his weaknesses)
Almighty Ra
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Yes, they are essentially the same thing but Minato's Hiraishin(FTG) is vastly superior to Tobirama's because he had perfected it. Same circumstance as Tobirama's Edo Tensei vs Kabuto's Edo Tensei; the same jutsu, but perfected to different degrees.
Lol dude you're crazy. He didn't get RDS from Kushina. Kushina wasn't even able to use RDS because she had been a jinchuriki from childhood. Now how the hell do you learn a jutsu from someone that can't even use it?
Minato researched the Uzamaki's sealing techniques on his own, this is how he learned the jutsu. Kushina simply provided him access to the Uzamaki databases.
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here check out my theory about minato i think it may make you believe minato is a boss and those 2 hokages are nothing like minato when it comes to planing and as gineous as him
MilwaukeegHost
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And you can't even sense "true" power levels until they are flaired, as in the case when Hashirama got upset at Tobirama and damn near destroyed the Uchiha lair.
valandil988
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Yeah still doesn't explain where Minato got the Hiraishin in the first place in order to improve it (with regards to Hiraishin) he wasn't Hokage when he developed or improved it. He would have had to be Hokage in order to see the second Hokage's Notes on his own Hiraishin to create his own. Hence how did he get it?Yes, they are essentially the same thing but Minato's Hiraishin(FTG) is vastly superior to Tobirama's because he had perfected it. Same circumstance as Tobirama's Edo Tensei vs Kabuto's Edo Tensei; the same jutsu, but perfected to different degrees.
Lol dude you're crazy. He didn't get RDS from Kushina. Kushina wasn't even able to use RDS because she had been a jinchuriki from childhood. Now how the hell do you learn a jutsu from someone that can't even use it?
Minato researched the Uzamaki's sealing techniques on his own, this is how he learned the jutsu. Kushina simply provided him access to the Uzamaki databases.
Yeah so what if Kushina couldnt use it, how the heck do you "use" a jutsu that kills you Uhh derp??? You can show someone the seals and the mechanism but it doesn't mean you actually have to preform it. IE Kushina might have known the jutsu. They have a fricken shrine devoted to the death god! That mean the jutsu existed before Minato came along, IE he did not develop it, its possible he uncovered it if Kushina didn't know of it to begin with.