Kakuzu > Trollkage

[KidGamer65]

I doubt a relatively weak explosion could completely blow apart Gaara's Sand Pyramid.

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[Zexion~]

Why is this being discussed Please Show a scan of water style making it past earth style .. untill then water will be inferior to earth... Besides Just hardening his hand has been shown to tank a paper bomb explosion hardening his whole body should be able to tank a water explosion

 

[KidGamer65]

Why is this being discussed Please Show a scan of water style making it past earth style .. untill then water will be inferior to earth... Besides Just hardening his hand has been shown to tank a paper bomb explosion hardening his whole body should be able to tank a water explosion

Joki Boy isn't an explosion of water first of all, its an explosion caused by the expanding of the clone due to it rapidly heating up. Second of all Joki Boy will continue to explode indefinitely as kakuzu can't stop it. Eventually Domu will crumble just like any defense would crumble after enough pressure has been placed on it.

Comparing a paper bomb explosion to something that was strong enough to easily blow apart Gaara's sand pyramid? Don't make me laugh.

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[Zexion~]

Joki Boy isn't an explosion of water first of all, its an explosion caused by the expanding of the clone due to it rapidly heating up. Second of all Joki Boy will continue to explode indefinitely as kakuzu can't stop it. Eventually Domu will crumble just like any defense would crumble after enough pressure has been placed on it.

Comparing a paper bomb explosion to something that was strong enough to easily blow apart Gaara's sand pyramid? Don't make me laugh.

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I wasnt i noticed you said That Domu only had tanking chouji's attack i was simply giving it a feat by comparison...

And second deidara's explosions were not an Explosion of earth? yet they were negated by lightning style same concept for joki boy as well

And during this indefinite explosion where are kakuzu's hearts aka his main force of attack? attacking the trollkage..

 

[KidGamer65]

I wasnt i noticed you said That Domu only had tanking chouji's attack i was simply giving it a feat by comparison...

And second deidara's explosions were not an Explosion of earth? yet they were negated by lightning style same concept for joki boy as well

And during this indefinite explosion where are kakuzu's hearts aka his main force of attack? attacking the trollkage..

It won't be that simple as he still has the illusion to worry about thus he can't even find Trollkage

 

[KidGamer65]

Mizukage still wins.

-He can't counter the mirage, thus he can't even find the real Mizukage.

-He can't stop Joki Boy so eventually it should get through his Domu or the the concussive force and heat would destroy his inner hearts after enough explosions. His outer body may appear unharmed but the kinetic punch of the repeated explosions will do internal damage.

-He lacks the speed to evade Joki Boy when using Domu. Domu slows him down, which is a fact I forgot about until now.

-He still can't even hurt the Mizukage since he can't find him.

All he needs to do is sit back and watch Kakuzu squirm. Due to Domu he lacks to the speed to evade Joki Boy's explosions, which will do internal damage after enough hits and they will toss Kakuzu around. If he lets up Domu then he takes a direct hit.

It was pretty dumb for me to say Kakuzu wins when all you did was show that he can block Joki Boy, and didn't show how he overcomes the Genjutsu or how he manages to hurt the Mizukage.

 

[WhiteMangekyou]

Kakuzu is frequently underestimated because he got trolled by Naruto. He is truly powerful, but this comparison doesn't seem fair to him. Without the mirage genjutsu I can see Kakuzu winning, but I just can't see Kakuzu finding that clam before the second ends it w/ either a Hozuki water gun (the real invisible version uses it) or Joki Boy which would not be stopped by an earth defense technique (just so you know, the only reason that would be considerable would be because of Deidara and it would be A>B>C logic to say it would work) So sorry Kakuzu, but I can't see you coming out of this one.

 

[Onion Soda]

I wasnt i noticed you said That Domu only had tanking chouji's attack i was simply giving it a feat by comparison...

And second deidara's explosions were not an Explosion of earth? yet they were negated by lightning style same concept for joki boy as well

And during this indefinite explosion where are kakuzu's hearts aka his main force of attack? attacking the trollkage..

Sasuke said thatr Deidara uses doton seals and gary doesn't use clay. The clay are still earth and it gets altered, that's what happened. Sasukes defused them. Even if an armor can hold an impact, the user wont be unscated (IE kevlar vest) that's what will happen anyway.

 

[Wesobi]

Can you guys be nice and stop calling each other idiots and what not? Just discuss on a mature level, or don't.

 

[garas56]

Ya he was strong i compare him with Itachi Lol

 

[AGoodBoy]

wow 7 pages and still going, i was sure this thread would be done by this point :/

 

[Cornson]

-He can't counter the mirage, thus he can't even find the real Mizukage.

Lets just say for arguments sake that Kakuzu can't counter the 2'nd Mizukages Mirage:

So now Kakuzu himself is without a option to counter the Mirage, because he have falled under the Gen-jutsu do to his Chakra network being manipulated right? (do you see where I am going with this?)

which leaves Kakuzu with a few options:

He could keep 2 hearts with him at all time (1 primary so he is alive) and one back up heart than can instantly break him out of any Gen-Jutsu (by altering his chakra flow)

or he could just release his fire, wind, water and air masks, they can't be affected by Gen-Jutsu sins they don't have a chakra network, so even if Kakuzu can't find the clam himself, the masks should have no problem spoting it and start fyring at it. And sure the masks propertly can't penetrade the clams shell, but do you know what can do that? Kakuzu's hardened fist, and he should have no trouble spotting it when it's being constantly hit by a barrage of elemental attacks from his masks.

-He can't stop Joki Boy so eventually it should get through his Domu or the the concussive force and heat would destroy his inner hearts after enough explosions. His outer body may appear unharmed but the kinetic punch of the repeated explosions will do internal damage.

I would expect that Kakuzu's masks would be able to stop Joki boy before he would be able to do damage to kakuzu (or to much damage) or spot the clam so kakuzu could take it it, then it will be a joki buy running around, and the trollkage with less than ½ chakra.

-He lacks the speed to evade Joki Boy when using Domu. Domu slows him down, which is a fact I forgot about until now.

But the think it he won't need evade Joki boy, all he needs is to Domu up and then Joki boy can't hurt him, sure if he covered his intire body he will either be so slow that's laugable or even immovable, but so what? Joki buy still can't penetrade his Domu hardened skin. So this just leaves the battle betwean Joki boy and Kakuzu a stallmate, while his masks is running around doing what ever they pleases

-He still can't even hurt the Mizukage since he can't find him.

all he needs to do is find the Clam and take it out, which as far as I can see should not be so hard, and then the Gen-jutsu will be cancelled, and after that Kakuzu or his masks just needs to find the Mizukage with less than ½ his chakra remaining.

 

[KidGamer65]

Lets just say for arguments sake that Kakuzu can't counter the 2'nd Mizukages Mirage:

So now Kakuzu himself is without a option to counter the Mirage, because he have falled under the Gen-jutsu do to his Chakra network being manipulated right? (do you see where I am going with this?)

which leaves Kakuzu with a few options:

He could keep 2 hearts with him at all time (1 primary so he is alive) and one back up heart than can instantly break him out of any Gen-Jutsu (by altering his chakra flow)

or he could just release his fire, wind, water and air masks, they can't be affected by Gen-Jutsu sins they don't have a chakra network, so even if Kakuzu can't find the clam himself, the masks should have no problem spoting it and start fyring at it. And sure the masks propertly can't penetrade the clams shell, but do you know what can do that? Kakuzu's hardened fist, and he should have no trouble spotting it when it's being constantly hit by a barrage of elemental attacks from his masks.

That's not how the Genjutsu works. It fools their vision using mist it doesn't disrupt all their chakra. His masks are either controlled by himself or they perceive vision. If they perceive vision then they will be fooled by the illusion and if a whole platoon couldn't find the clam then Kakuzu isn't either.

Onoki needed an Earth Element Rock Fist combined with Earth Release: Ultra-Added-Weight Rock Technique to break it. A simple Domu enhanced punch isn't doing anything to it.

I would expect that Kakuzu's masks would be able to stop Joki boy before he would be able to do damage to kakuzu (or to much damage) or spot the clam so kakuzu could take it it, then it will be a joki buy running around, and the trollkage with less than ½ chakra.

Did you read how Joki Boy was stopped? Blasting it isnt going to do anything as it will simply recreate itself.

But the think it he won't need evade Joki boy, all he needs is to Domu up and then Joki boy can't hurt him, sure if he covered his intire body he will either be so slow that's laugable or even immovable, but so what? Joki buy still can't penetrade his Domu hardened skin. So this just leaves the battle betwean Joki boy and Kakuzu a stallmate, while his masks is running around doing what ever they pleases

No its not a stalemate.

-Domu may be unharmed but what's under it, Kakuzu's insides, will not be left unharmed from the repeated explosions he can't stop. Not to mention he doesn't even know when it will hit or where the Joki Boy is coming from due to the mist so keeping Domu up is a necessity. Same concept as a guy in armor getting killed by a Giant Warhammer. The armor may be fine but what's under it will not be fine.

-His masks are either controlled by him or they perceive sight on their own. Either way the mist will fool them and leave them helpless and defenseless from Joki Boy as they do not possess Domu to protect themselves. Nor do they even know where attacks will be coming from so the masks are pretty much goners if they come out in this fight.

all he needs to do is find the Clam and take it out, which as far as I can see should not be so hard, and then the Gen-jutsu will be cancelled, and after that Kakuzu or his masks just needs to find the Mizukage with less than ½ his chakra remaining.

Not that hard? A platoon of ninja including sensors couldn't even find the clam while fooled by the illusion. There is no way Kakuzu is finding it either. Not when him and his masks are under his illusion.

 

[Zexion~]

It won't be that simple as he still has the illusion to worry about thus he can't even find Trollkage

Kakuzu is one of the best to go up against genjutsu if he is caught under his hearts continue to attack. Genjutsu does not shut down the heart.He has no need to know where the trollkage is

 

[KidGamer65]

Kakuzu is one of the best to go up against genjutsu if he is caught under his hearts continue to attack. Genjutsu does not shut down the heart.He has no need to know where the trollkage is

Wrong.

-Kakuzu is controlling is hearts or they perceive vision on their own. If they perceive vision the mist will make them see and illusion. If Kakuzu is controlling them then they will be fooled by the illusion. Either way they are fooled by the illusion so they arent finding Trollkage regardless.

 

[Zexion~]

Wrong.

-Kakuzu is controlling is hearts or they perceive vision on their own. If they perceive vision the mist will make them see and illusion. If Kakuzu is controlling them then they will be fooled by the illusion. Either way they are fooled by the illusion so they arent finding Trollkage regardless.

Well ... They may Perceive vision but if mist is the problem ..wind style takes it away making it clearer again..

 

[Onion Soda]

Well ... They may Perceive vision but if mist is the problem ..wind style takes it away making it clearer again..

The wide range of a single mask is not big. The clays generates tons of mist and if it were that easy to take it away with win, the shinobi alliance would have done that (and they were mostly suna's shinobi, so atleast one must have futon).
Anyway, Joki boy can cut the single thread connecting the mask with his arm axe.

 

[KidGamer65]

Well ... They may Perceive vision but if mist is the problem ..wind style takes it away making it clearer again..

No, wrong again.

-Mist is constantly being produced by the clam and will not stop unless the clam is destroyed.

-Kakuzu's Wind masks AOE is not large enough to blow all of the mist away, this isn't even a viable counter.

Not to mention Joki Boy can easily destroy the masks by slicing them to bits as they don't know where the real Joki Boy will be coming from. All they see is an illusion.

 

[Zexion~]

No, wrong again.

-Mist is constantly being produced by the clam and will not stop unless the clam is destroyed.

-Kakuzu's Wind masks AOE is not large enough to blow all of the mist away, this isn't even a viable counter.

Not to mention Joki Boy can easily destroy the masks by slicing them to bits as they don't know where the real Joki Boy will be coming from. All they see is an illusion.

Well that all depends entirely on the location ... i mean If they are in a close knit place such as a cave or even a forest.. The clam could not be far yet an open field might be trouble some . But the Wind Jutsu would give time for the wind heart ( who has a feat of flying) to Move above the mist

 

[KidGamer65]

Well that all depends entirely on the location ... i mean If they are in a close knit place such as a cave or even a forest.. The clam could not be far yet an open field might be trouble some . But the Wind Jutsu would give time for the wind heart ( who has a feat of flying) to Move above the mist

No it wouldn't because the mist is constantly being produced. That's like trying to pour water out of a house that is constantly flooding with water. Its not happening.