I don't see why him using his main summon is a bad tactic as it's one that he actually uses often.. And it's not like his whole debate will rely on it. Clearly he's gonna use it. Mei has no way to cancel out the largest Katon we've seen thusfar.
I do not like posting 10 arguments at the same time. It's bad and messy. I will post each individually, getting the most of each of Jiraiya's abilities and letting Azula counter each.
As for the thread you posted, I don't like it. It's messy, full of bad formatting and pains my eyes to read.
I do not like posting 10 arguments at the same time. It's bad and messy. I will post each individually, getting the most of each of Jiraiya's abilities and letting Azula counter each.
As for the thread you posted, I don't like it. It's messy, full of bad formatting and pains my eyes to read.
your argument is still flawed and posting so many piks not spaced and properly organized is hurting my eyes! D you know how to use spoilers????
DO you know how to link pages in words???
your argument is still flawed and posting so many piks not spaced and properly organized is hurting my eyes! D you know how to use spoilers????
DO you know how to link pages in words???
madara did a huge katon then mei was already their and counter it
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then she did a water dragon with no seals that was connected to the same water she already use to do water wall strong enough to push sassuno back
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mei is a fast and have fast reactions her lava styles will also cause trouble.
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she made a river of lava
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she shown to do this with no seals
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now to counter gambunta she can make 5 lava globs the size of a small building
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you can make globs of lava of various sizes this is how mei probably melted a huge sassuno clone
see here the clone is melting
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mei is also shown blitzing zetsu
remember hidan said he has the slowest attack speed out of the akatsuki zetsu is faster than him. renumber hidan also fought kakshi in taijustu and was doing good even though kakashi has the shairgan.
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now she was in the desert and her huge enough to block and overpower madara katons now shes by a river her suitons will double and increase power
mei has been fighting zetsu for hours then she faught maddara for 24 or less hours she has strong chakra.
boil release is another problem if he breathe it in hes dead or if hes in it he is dead.
this will limit any of his close to mid range moves he have
I am unsure how to react to this. Hidan did say that, but, at the same time, Zetsu is not a combat type and while his shunshin speed is low, he has abilities that allow him to appear places. I do not honestly think Zetsu's combat speed is higher than Hidan's and as such, close to Kakashi's.
That seems far fetched to me. Up to the judges, I guess, though I believe they will agree with me.
I will make a proper, full reply tomorrow, as I have to leave now.
That only accounts for reaction time, rather than move speed. She did use a lot of jutsus quickly and jumped high in the air. However, no speed in the world will allow her to avoid the inevitable Toad Flame Oil Bullet, which has such a gigantic radius that it makes Gamabunta ( who is as big as the Ichibi, Shukaku ) look like a midget.
The tricky thing about the Toad Flame Oil Bullet is that it's not a Katon, but rather a collaboration technique. It involves both Oil and Fire. As such, it does not suffer from the elementary disadvantage, since Oil is an incredible fuel for fire.
Even if Mei somehow managed to counter, Jiraiya can further increase his advantage by starting to summon the other toads of Mt. Myoboku. His chakra is one of the strongest in Naruto, evidenced by his Stamina score of 5, usage of Sage Mode ( whereas Oro couldn't use it properly ) and the fact that even when drugged and weakened by Tsunade's poison he was still able to summon Bunta and fight toe to toe with Orochimaru.
Jiraiya has shown the ability to summon all of the shown toads in Naruto, namely:
Gamahiro
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Ma and Pa.
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Gamaken
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All of them are powerful in their own right, however the two Toad Sages are easily Jounin if not Kage level by themselves. Once Jiraiya summons Shima ( Ma ) she has the ability to summon -EVERY OTHER TOAD- with a -SINGLE- summoning Jutsu.
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Seeing as how Mei will be forced to deal with Jiraiya's Toad Flame Oil Bullet, she will be unable to stop Jiraiya from using a second summoning jutsu to bring forth Ma. Once that happens, she can use her own summoning jutsu to bring the other toads forth.
Now, Mei will be overrun in a fight in which she is vastly outnumbered. What will happen is Jiraiya will stay back and prepare Sage Mode alongside Ma and Pa, while the three Boss Toads will keep Mei busy ( if not kill her due to Bunta's agility and martial prowess that made him able to avoid Shukaku's attacks
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as well as his high scale suitons which were able to content with Shukaku's Fuutons
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There is no doubt in my mind that the three Boss Toads can keep Mei busy until Jiraiya, Ma and Pa start Sage Mode. Once that happens - and it will happen much faster than usual since Jiraiya can fuse with the 2 toads - Mei is in for a world of pain.
mei has been fighting zetsu for hours then she faught maddara for 24 or less hours she has strong chakra.
boil release is another problem if he breathe it in hes dead or if hes in it he is dead.
this will limit any of his close to mid range moves he have
Her chakra may be strong, but she is nowhere near Jiraiya's.
Boil Release gets countered by the massive katon Jiraiya makes in tandem with Bunta. It can also be countered by simply dodging away from her, since the toads can easily jump dozens of meters with little effort.
She is indeed near a river, yet you need to remember that Bunta is also a Suiton user, which will make him stronger, too.
That only accounts for reaction time, rather than move speed. She did use a lot of jutsus quickly and jumped high in the air. However, no speed in the world will allow her to avoid the inevitable Toad Flame Oil Bullet, which has such a gigantic radius that it makes Gamabunta ( who is as big as the Ichibi, Shukaku ) look like a midget.
The tricky thing about the Toad Flame Oil Bullet is that it's not a Katon, but rather a collaboration technique. It involves both Oil and Fire. As such, it does not suffer from the elementary disadvantage, since Oil is an incredible fuel for fire.
Even if Mei somehow managed to counter, Jiraiya can further increase his advantage by starting to summon the other toads of Mt. Myoboku. His chakra is one of the strongest in Naruto, evidenced by his Stamina score of 5, usage of Sage Mode ( whereas Oro couldn't use it properly ) and the fact that even when drugged and weakened by Tsunade's poison he was still able to summon Bunta and fight toe to toe with Orochimaru.
Jiraiya has shown the ability to summon all of the shown toads in Naruto, namely:
Gamahiro
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Ma and Pa.
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Gamaken
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All of them are powerful in their own right, however the two Toad Sages are easily Jounin if not Kage level by themselves. Once Jiraiya summons Shima ( Ma ) she has the ability to summon -EVERY OTHER TOAD- with a -SINGLE- summoning Jutsu.
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Seeing as how Mei will be forced to deal with Jiraiya's Toad Flame Oil Bullet, she will be unable to stop Jiraiya from using a second summoning jutsu to bring forth Ma. Once that happens, she can use her own summoning jutsu to bring the other toads forth.
Now, Mei will be overrun in a fight in which she is vastly outnumbered. What will happen is Jiraiya will stay back and prepare Sage Mode alongside Ma and Pa, while the three Boss Toads will keep Mei busy ( if not kill her due to Bunta's agility and martial prowess that made him able to avoid Shukaku's attacks
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as well as his high scale suitons which were able to content with Shukaku's Fuutons
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There is no doubt in my mind that the three Boss Toads can keep Mei busy until Jiraiya, Ma and Pa start Sage Mode. Once that happens - and it will happen much faster than usual since Jiraiya can fuse with the 2 toads - Mei is in for a world of pain.
Her chakra may be strong, but she is nowhere near Jiraiya's.
Boil Release gets countered by the massive katon Jiraiya makes in tandem with Bunta. It can also be countered by simply dodging away from her, since the toads can easily jump dozens of meters with little effort.
She is indeed near a river, yet you need to remember that Bunta is also a Suiton user, which will make him stronger, too.
Toad flame bullet is a problem but this counters it
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This will double by being by a river
Remeber this is in the desert no water source she had to use a lot of chakra to stop it and madara katons are one of the strongest it took 20 suiton users to stop it and she counter it with no seals easily.
Or she could manipulate lava to stop it
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She can do various sizes various which means huge or small.
Suitons are useless against her boil release will melt and steam any suitons his toads have
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Now remeber what I said she blitz zetsu whose faster then hidan and hidan fought kakashi equally in taijustu
Even if zetsu isn't a main fighter hidan still included him in his statement
His toads are easily defeated
If mei charge at them and do boil release they will melt or she can do a huge glob of lava which could hit a huge toad
Now jiriya never shown summoning more than one huge boss summoning jiriya told naruto it takes lot of chakra
If jirya do summon all of them he wont be able to go sm because you need tons of chakra that's why he was running from pain and not fighting because he cant waste chakra.
So I only see him summoning gambunta which can be taken down.
Also jiriya would have trouble invading this which madara praised
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and dont forget madara was like 30 ft in the air and her lava went that high.
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Also mei have a elemental advantage over jirya
Yotton
Futton
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Katon
Earth
I think I counter all of your base jiriya feats now you should include sm
First of all, Madara's Katon was nowhere near the size of Jiraiya's. Even if it were, Jiraiya uses OIL as well as FIRE, leading to a very very hot mix. It is far above a regular Katon in size and power.
Up to the judges to decide.
As for her being near the river, I can't recall any mention of a body of water making Suitons stronger. All I know is that the Suiton user requires less chakra to use a jutsu since he has a body of water ready and doesn't need to create his own.
As far as I know there is no proof it makes Suitons twice as strong, as you imply.
Again, up to the judges.
Or she could manipulate lava to stop it
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She can do various sizes various which means huge or small.
Lava isn't going to stop fire. Fire is not solid, as such Lava will simply hit the air, making the Katon even stronger by raising the temperature of air, since Lava is around 1.000 degrees hot ( Celsius )
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When first erupted from a volcanic vent, lava is a liquid at temperatures from 700 to 1,200 °C (1,292 to 2,192 °F).
That's the MAX TEMPERATURE of Lava, -WHEN IT ERUPTS-. It starts losing heat the second it comes out, contacting air.
Suitons are useless against her boil release will melt and steam any suitons his toads have
Boil Mist works under the form of vapors. Vapors can easily be overpowered by massive quantities of water.
How does that work? The mists are corrosive. Like an acid. If you put water on an acid, it will dillute, making it less stronger. With Gamabunta's Suitons being on a huge scale, he can use his water jutsus to disperse the mist and reduce its corrosive properties, since the corroding agent in the air will mix with the water added.
Even if Mei would use Boil Release, she can't hit three directions at once. The three boss toads can jump long distances, leading to Mei being surrounded. I used my extraordinary paint skills to represent this.
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If she decides to attack one of them, the blue arrow representing her ninjutsu, the other two toads will simply rush towards her, hacking - or at least attempting to - her to pieces.
She cannot defend from 3 sides and she cannot use a jutsu to beat all 3 of them at the same time. The red arrows represent the remaining 2 toads attacking.
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Now remeber what I said she blitz zetsu whose faster then hidan and hidan fought kakashi equally in taijustu
Even if zetsu isn't a main fighter hidan still included him in his statement
First of all, her jutsus require hand seals. You imply she will be able to cast jutsus at both his toads and him, when she has a bunch of giant toads to fight. Additionally, the boss toads can jump well above Madara's jump level. They are, after all, toads. It's what they do. Jump.
Also mei have a elemental advantage over jirya
Yotton
Futton
Suiton
Katon
Earth
Jiraiya does not use simple jutsus. His most powerful techniques include an additional(s) tool(s) to the jutsu, such as the Toad Flame Oil Bullet and Sage Art Goemon, both using oil and fire, while the latter uses wind.
Those techniques are no simple Katons, they are element combinations.
Up to the judges to decide. I personally disagree.
Clobbering time. Sage Mode style.
By now, Jiraiya will have entered Sage Mode.
Sage Mode allows Jiraiya to use Senjutsu Chakra rather than normal Chakra for his jutsus, making his incredible chakra/stamina even greater. While Mei has to keep using her chakra to defend, Jiraiya uses the Senjutsu Chakra the toad sages gather.
For long range combat, Jiraiya has
Senpou Kebari Senbon which shoots a plethora of spikes at a long range and a fast rate. With Mei's base speed, it is impossible for her to jump away, as Jiraiya describes it as his fastest technique.
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Furthermore, at mid range, Jiraiya has Senpou: Goemon, a three-way collaboration technique which combines Wind, Fire and Oil to form a Tsunami that is described in the databook as being THOUSANDS of degrees hot. Seeing as how -LAVA- is around 1000 degrees, Goemon is -WAY HOTTER- than Lava. We are talking thousand of degrees hotter.
Fire is poured into the wind!
When filled with oil, it's Hell boiling in a pot!!
A combination Sage Art performed by Jiraiya in "Sage Mode" and the Two Great Toad Sages. After having driven the enemy into a corner (e.g. indoors or in a pit), Jiraira releases large quantities of oil, Fukasaku performs a large Katon, and Shima a large Fuuton. Within an instant, that place will be filled with oil burning at temperatures of thousands of degrees.
↓Fukasaku and Jiraiya respond to the voice of Shima, coordinating the technique.
Goemon is a tsunami of heat. It is in a liquid state, meaning a Katon, Lava Release or Boil Release will do nothing against it. The Fire Release and Lava Release will just make it even hotter, further improving its deadlyness.
Boil Release will do nothing, as a corrosive agent can't do anything against a liquid that is hotter than Lava.
Sage Mode empowers Jiraiya to such a level, that his mediocre at best taijutu allowed him to blitz a Pain Path and strike with such strength that he maimed him, destroying his eyes.
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Mei's featless speed can simply not match SM Jiraiya's. I'm saving the Rasengan for later, since if a kick was enough to crush Human Path, Mei won't fare well against one, either.
I will await for a reply, since I think I know how you will try to counter my arguments, but I will wait to see if you find out how.
First of all, Madara's Katon was nowhere near the size of Jiraiya's. Even if it were, Jiraiya uses OIL as well as FIRE, leading to a very very hot mix. It is far above a regular Katon in size and power.
Up to the judges to decide.
As for her being near the river, I can't recall any mention of a body of water making Suitons stronger. All I know is that the Suiton user requires less chakra to use a jutsu since he has a body of water ready and doesn't need to create his own.
As far as I know there is no proof it makes Suitons twice as strong, as you imply.
Again, up to the judges.
Lava isn't going to stop fire. Fire is not solid, as such Lava will simply hit the air, making the Katon even stronger by raising the temperature of air, since Lava is around 1.000 degrees hot ( Celsius )
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When first erupted from a volcanic vent, lava is a liquid at temperatures from 700 to 1,200 °C (1,292 to 2,192 °F).
That's the MAX TEMPERATURE of Lava, -WHEN IT ERUPTS-. It starts losing heat the second it comes out, contacting air.
Boil Mist works under the form of vapors. Vapors can easily be overpowered by massive quantities of water.
How does that work? The mists are corrosive. Like an acid. If you put water on an acid, it will dillute, making it less stronger. With Gamabunta's Suitons being on a huge scale, he can use his water jutsus to disperse the mist and reduce its corrosive properties, since the corroding agent in the air will mix with the water added.
Even if Mei would use Boil Release, she can't hit three directions at once. The three boss toads can jump long distances, leading to Mei being surrounded. I used my extraordinary paint skills to represent this.
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If she decides to attack one of them, the blue arrow representing her ninjutsu, the other two toads will simply rush towards her, hacking - or at least attempting to - her to pieces.
She cannot defend from 3 sides and she cannot use a jutsu to beat all 3 of them at the same time. The red arrows represent the remaining 2 toads attacking.
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That is simply hype, is it not? Zetsu has no feats making him worthy of being even -SUGGESTED- as close to Kakashi's level.
Jiraiya has a ton of chakra. Even in a drugged state, he summoned Gamabunta.
As I said before, summoning Ma is enough, since Ma can summon all of the aforementioned toads with a single Summoning Jutsu.
First of all, her jutsus require hand seals. You imply she will be able to cast jutsus at both his toads and him, when she has a bunch of giant toads to fight. Additionally, the boss toads can jump well above Madara's jump level. They are, after all, toads. It's what they do. Jump.
Jiraiya does not use simple jutsus. His most powerful techniques include an additional(s) tool(s) to the jutsu, such as the Toad Flame Oil Bullet and Sage Art Goemon, both using oil and fire, while the latter uses wind.
Those techniques are no simple Katons, they are element combinations.
A simple suiton will not counter either.
Up to the judges to decide. I personally disagree.
Clobbering time. Sage Mode style.
By now, Jiraiya will have entered Sage Mode.
Sage Mode allows Jiraiya to use Senjutsu Chakra rather than normal Chakra for his jutsus, making his incredible chakra/stamina even greater. While Mei has to keep using her chakra to defend, Jiraiya uses the Senjutsu Chakra the toad sages gather.
For long range combat, Jiraiya has
Senpou Kebari Senbon which shoots a plethora of spikes at a long range and a fast rate. With Mei's base speed, it is impossible for her to jump away, as Jiraiya describes it as his fastest technique.
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Furthermore, at mid range, Jiraiya has Senpou: Goemon, a three-way collaboration technique which combines Wind, Fire and Oil to form a Tsunami that is described in the databook as being THOUSANDS of degrees hot. Seeing as how -LAVA- is around 1000 degrees, Goemon is -WAY HOTTER- than Lava. We are talking thousand of degrees hotter.
Fire is poured into the wind!
When filled with oil, it's Hell boiling in a pot!!
A combination Sage Art performed by Jiraiya in "Sage Mode" and the Two Great Toad Sages. After having driven the enemy into a corner (e.g. indoors or in a pit), Jiraira releases large quantities of oil, Fukasaku performs a large Katon, and Shima a large Fuuton. Within an instant, that place will be filled with oil burning at temperatures of thousands of degrees.
↓Fukasaku and Jiraiya respond to the voice of Shima, coordinating the technique.
Goemon is a tsunami of heat. It is in a liquid state, meaning a Katon, Lava Release or Boil Release will do nothing against it. The Fire Release and Lava Release will just make it even hotter, further improving its deadlyness.
Boil Release will do nothing, as a corrosive agent can't do anything against a liquid that is hotter than Lava.
Sage Mode empowers Jiraiya to such a level, that his mediocre at best taijutu allowed him to blitz a Pain Path and strike with such strength that he maimed him, destroying his eyes.
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Mei's featless speed can simply not match SM Jiraiya's. I'm saving the Rasengan for later, since if a kick was enough to crush Human Path, Mei won't fare well against one, either.
I will await for a reply, since I think I know how you will try to counter my arguments, but I will wait to see if you find out how.
Toad flame bullet is handle by lava release once its release it turns into molten rock able to be a protective shield to stop it
Boil release is based on the ph scale 0 to 14 0 being the most acidic. If you have a puddle of water the rays from the sun steams it and it turns to vapor this is how boil release can work to.
Now to counter goenom it is not that hard to avoid. If she release a lava style the same size as goenom it will be in her favor because the heat from it will turn the lava to rock faster. Or mei can do a suiton on her lava to make it rock.
Also goenom is a mid range move if he get mid range hes melts because of boil release
His taijustu isn't a problem boil stops it
His needles is counter by boil it melts before they touch her.
His toads now. He never shown summoning 3 toads at once it takes up to much chakra if he do he wont be able to go sm.
Even if he did they wont be a problem boil or lava can handle them.
She wont let him just summon he wont even get the chance she can fire water dragon which takes no seals for her to do and she can do it quite fast.
And you was saying rasengan useless boil release stops all taijustu he have
