Naruto cannot dodge amaterasu

[Exaar]

1. Random specuation on EMS amaterasu being faster than Ms amaterasu

2. A/Bm and KM naruto can Blitz sasuke long before he can create a ring of amaterasu around him self, Sasuke won't get time to blink, Let alone rotate 360.

3. Sharingan's prediciton ability is totally nulled by both Raikage and Naruto's speed, Plus the sharingan cannot predict the kyuubi's chakra cloak Arms, as stated in part 1.

Nothing you've said changes anything, BM naruto can easily dodge amaterasu, Even if sasukes eye doesn't bleed, naruto can still sense the attack long befor it's fired like nagato did.

 

[Frikid]

I'm pretty sure you're trolling now. Please show me were Sasuke coughed up blood from using MS. It's common knowledge that Itachi's illness caused him to cough up blood NOT his MS techniques.

You still haven't produced any evidence of this "no drawbacks" claim. Now let me give you an actual manga fact. At the end of the Hashi/Madara fight Madara was so weak that he could no longer us EMS, that proves it takes still chakra to use.

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And Just when did i say amaterasu or EMS doesn't cost chakra . :sy:

1. Random specuation on EMS amaterasu being faster than Ms amaterasu

2. A/Bm and KM naruto can Blitz sasuke long before he can create a ring of amaterasu around him self, Sasuke won't get time to blink, Let alone rotate 360.

3. Sharingan's prediciton ability is totally nulled by both Raikage and Naruto's speed, Plus the sharingan cannot predict the kyuubi's chakra cloak Arms, as stated in part 1.

Nothing you've said changes anything, BM naruto can easily dodge amaterasu, Even if sasukes eye doesn't bleed, naruto can still sense the attack long befor it's fired like nagato did.

1. This isn't made up by me. it is a manga fact. EMS gives the user no strain to the body, and therefore it takes lesser time for sasuke to activate amaterasu. Furthermore its difficult to manipulate amaterasu while your body is under heavy pain, after obtaining EMS, sasuke's manipulation became better.
2. He did it against kabuto, and let me remind you kabuto was fast enough to dodge sasuke's arrow , the same arrow which danzo/kakashi couldn't even respond to and kakashi's only option was kamui.
3. You are underestimating EMS . Sharingan is used to track high speed movements. EMS is highest form of sharingan. And you are talking about MS sasuke, this is EMS sasuke. If naruto is as fast as you say, then why didn't he speed blitz madara or obito yet? Why do obito and madara don't praise naruto for his speed?
How come itachi and nagato were able to go toe to toe with naruto?
Plz tell me i am waiting...

 

[irishboy9780]

Considering A dodged it and naruto is as fast if not faster, we can conclude the only way amaterasu will ever effect naruto is if sasuke made that susano sheild with it on it again.

 

[BazzBee]

Raikage dodged Amatrasue
And Naruto Dodged Raikages punch = Naruto is faster

So just tell me how he can't dodge it ?

 

[Frikid]

Considering A dodged it and naruto is as fast if not faster, we can conclude the only way amaterasu will ever effect naruto is if sasuke made that susano sheild with it on it again.

Raikage dodged Amatrasue
And Naruto Dodged Raikages punch = Naruto is faster

So just tell me how he can't dodge it ?

Raikage dodged MS sasuke's amaterasu(that too just by 5 cm or so) and he was still to naive at using it at that time, i have shown manga proof in OP of how good he became after obtaining EMS and more experience.

With sharingan's prediction ability , sasuke can know where naruto is going to move, with enton he can spread his amaterasu and he can also hit multiple targets , so it is impossible for naruto to dodge amaterasu.

 

[Exaar]

1. This isn't made up by me. it is a manga fact. EMS gives the user no strain to the body, and therefore it takes lesser time for sasuke to activate amaterasu. Furthermore its difficult to manipulate amaterasu while your body is under heavy pain, after obtaining EMS, sasuke's manipulation became better.
2. He did it against kabuto, and let me remind you kabuto was fast enough to dodge sasuke's arrow , the same arrow which danzo/kakashi couldn't even respond to and kakashi's only option was kamui.
3. You are underestimating EMS . Sharingan is used to track high speed movements. EMS is highest form of sharingan. And you are talking about MS sasuke, this is EMS sasuke. If naruto is as fast as you say, then why didn't he speed blitz madara or obito yet? Why do obito and madara don't praise naruto for his speed?
How come itachi and nagato were able to go toe to toe with naruto?
Plz tell me i am waiting...

1. No it's not manga fact, It's mere speculation from you. Just because it doesn't put that much of a strain on his body anymore doesn't effect it's speed in the slightest.

2. Your comparing Sm kabuto's speed to A/Bm narutos?. both Naruto's and A's speed far surpassed kabuto

3. Peoples reactions speeds are different from Person to person, Sasuke already proved he cannot keep up with raikage, While both Obito and Madara can atleast react to that type of speed. Also Obito/Madara don't have to Praise him for his speed to prove anything, We know he is faster than the Raikage who's speeds has already proved to much for sasuke to keep up with.

As for your third point, As i remember naruto had split his chakra up many times by sending Km clones to various points thus restricting his Strength/Speed/chakra and so on. Plus nartuo wasn't going at them with the intent to kill, the fight with itachi they were having a casual chat with about sasuke.

Sasuke's amaterasu has not shown any significant speed boost or anything to hint he can keep up with let alone hit someone with amaterasu who is even faster than A.

 

[Draphsin]

1. No it's not manga fact, It's mere speculation from you. Just because it doesn't put that much of a strain on his body anymore doesn't effect it's speed in the slightest.

Sasuke's amaterasu has not shown any significant speed boost or anything to hint he can keep up with let alone hit someone with amaterasu who is even faster than A.

I gotta disagree

Sasuke's ama speed has increased, ill give you the example

Pre EMS:

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You see here, that sasuke's first time using ama, it takes 4 panels to reach bee (3 to reach him and 4 to hit). Now keep that in mind

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Now in this scan, you see it takes sasuke 3 panels to reach its target (granted not the intended target but thats besides the point). So you can see that sasuke is getting slightly better at his ama speed. But wait theres more =D

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Now we see in the sasuke vs danzo fight, his ama speed has turned from 3 panels, to only 2. His ama speed is improving, even with MS, but in EMS it gains the final improvement...

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Simply put, it takes sasuke 2 panels to activate susanoo + ama orb, but it finally takes 1 panel to actually cast ama/enton, but this is only with susanoo. Sasuke's ama speed is even faster on its own.

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We finally reach sasuke's final ama feat, and it's certainly the best. It takes 1 panel for ama to reach its target, and 2 panels to create an entire ama barrier.

I hope i gave you an idea of sasuke's improvement with amaterasu

 

[Exaar]

I gotta disagree

Sasuke's ama speed has increased, ill give you the example

Pre MS:

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You see here, that sasuke's first time using ama, it takes 4 panels to reach bee (3 to reach him and 4 to hit). Now keep that in mind

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Now in this scan, you see it takes sasuke 3 panels to reach its target (granted not the intended target but thats besides the point). So you can see that sasuke is getting slightly better at his ama speed. But wait theres more =D

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Now we see in the sasuke vs danzo fight, his ama speed has turned from 3 panels, to only 2. His ama speed is improving, even with MS, but in EMS it gains the final improvement...

Post EMS:

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Simply put, it takes sasuke 2 panels to activate susanoo + ama orb, but it finally takes 1 panel to actually cast ama/enton, but this is only with susanoo. Sasuke's ama speed is even faster on its own.

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We finally reach sasuke's final ama feat, and it's certianly the best. It takes 1 panel for ama to reach its target, and 2 panles to create an entire ama barrier.

I hope i gave you an idea of sasuke's improvement with amaterasu

More Panels doesn't mean it takes more time.

Take his fight with Danzo for example
Sasuke uses Amaterasu while danzo is in mid air.

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Yet danzo was still in the exact same spot when he got hit on the next page, Meaning it hit him almost instantly.

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It depends how much detail kishi uses.

Same with Itachi's susanoo
It took Two pages for Itachi's susanoo to go from Base form into it's complete form

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Also back in part one, It took itachi a few pages to even use tsukuyomi

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Yet we know these techs are faster than they seem, More panels isn't always more time has past, But it can mean going into more details the even that is currently happening.

 

[Draphsin]

More Panels doesn't mean it takes more time.

Take his fight with Danzo for example
Sasuke uses Amaterasu while danzo is in mid air.

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Yet danzo was still in the exact same spot when he got hit on the next page, Meaning it hit him almost instantly.

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I dont see an indication that time hasn't past since he casted ama. In fact, danzo has enough time to block it with his arm before he gets hit. The panel right before showed no signs of danzo preparing for a hit, indicating that time has in fact passed.

It depends how much detail kishi uses.

Same with Itachi's susanoo
It took Two pages for Itachi's susanoo to go from Base form into it's complete form

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I partially agree with this one. Kishi was using detail, but thats only because we've never seen susanoo before. Kishi was elaborating susanoo's construction for the first time. Sasuke is not the first person to use amaterasu, so theres no more detail to be added other than how fast it can be casted. I hope this makes sense...

Also back in part one, It took itachi a few pages to even use tsukuyomi

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Yet we know these techs are faster than they seem, More panels isn't always more time has past, But it can mean going into more details the even that is currently happening.

Itachi was activating MS, thats why he was able to talk to kakashi before he activated it. He even mentions tsukuyomi right before kakashi gets trapped. Indicating that he activated it right after.


Ill agree that number of panels doesnt always mean speed, however in sasuke's case it does, IMO.

 

[Frikid]

1. No it's not manga fact, It's mere speculation from you. Just because it doesn't put that much of a strain on his body anymore doesn't effect it's speed in the slightest.

2. Your comparing Sm kabuto's speed to A/Bm narutos?. both Naruto's and A's speed far surpassed kabuto

3. Peoples reactions speeds are different from Person to person, Sasuke already proved he cannot keep up with raikage, While both Obito and Madara can atleast react to that type of speed. Also Obito/Madara don't have to Praise him for his speed to prove anything, We know he is faster than the Raikage who's speeds has already proved to much for sasuke to keep up with.

As for your third point, As i remember naruto had split his chakra up many times by sending Km clones to various points thus restricting his Strength/Speed/chakra and so on. Plus nartuo wasn't going at them with the intent to kill, the fight with itachi they were having a casual chat with about sasuke.

Sasuke's amaterasu has not shown any significant speed boost or anything to hint he can keep up with let alone hit someone with amaterasu who is even faster than A.

1. EMS sasuke can activate amaterasu much more faster than MS sasuke due to no strain towards the body. EMS have improved by alot in amaterasu usage than MS sasuke, that is the point i want to make. Amaterasu's speed by itself is not effected since its instant anyway.

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Kabuto is quite fast for dodging something, which kakashi couldn't even react to.

3. People's reaction speed are different but current sasuke possess eyes superior to itachi and obito, so maybe his body reaction might not be better, but his eyes (in speed aswell), and that is all which required for amaterasu. Also his reaction speed get affected when he is constantly experiencing strain from using MS.
Obito/Madara not praising him for his speed proves the point that sharingan users of there level don't have any difficulty in keeping up with him.

I don't think splitting into clones effects one's speed, as speed depends on one's body and not on one's chakra. Every one of them had KM/BM cloak on hence their speed would be same as the original unlike their chakra.

As for your last argument,

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[6ari8]

1. It does matter, if the Raikage had infinite chakra arms like Naruto at the time, Sasuke would've died easily covering himself with Amaterasu or not.

2. You're wrong in thinking that the blood/strain that the amaterasu user is what gives away that he will use Amaterasu. Nagato could sense chakra and he knew that Itachi was going to use Amaterasu from the pressure, he wasn't even looking at him. Also, there's no indication that it's speed had increased otherwise he would've caught Kabuto (Whom had dodged it BLIND using sage mode if I may add).

3. Doesn't matter, simply waste of chakra against Naruto. Naruto now can make thousands of clones (He made a thousand against Gaara).

4. Doesn't matter, It can't predict Naruto's chakra arms. Also, if he can't match Naruto's speed physically (which is a fact) it is of no importance, check the fight against Lee to see what I mean.

 

[Frikid]

1. It does matter, if the Raikage had infinite chakra arms like Naruto at the time, Sasuke would've died easily covering himself with Amaterasu or not.

2. You're wrong in thinking that the blood/strain that the amaterasu user is what gives away that he will use Amaterasu. Nagato could sense chakra and he knew that Itachi was going to use Amaterasu from the pressure, he wasn't even looking at him. Also, there's no indication that it's speed had increased otherwise he would've caught Kabuto (Whom had dodged it BLIND using sage mode if I may add).

3. Doesn't matter, simply waste of chakra against Naruto. Naruto now can make thousands of clones (He made a thousand against Gaara).

4. Doesn't matter, It can't predict Naruto's chakra arms. Also, if he can't match Naruto's speed physically (which is a fact) it is of no importance, check the fight against Lee to see what I mean.

first of all, your sig is funny xD
now onto topic,

1. Raikage don't have that, too bad for him. Naruto's chakra hands' power doesn't rival raikage's powerful punches. There would have scratched the susano at best.

2. Keep in mind, it is not necessary that there can be only one indication against amaterasu. What i am saying is true and what you are saying is also true, both are correct. BUT there is still one problem , what nagato sensed wasn't even amaterasu, if you flipped to the next few pages , you would know it was actually Kotoamatsukami .

3. The more the number of clones, the weaker they are(individually) . Naruto would be the one who would be wasting chakra. Also, EMS can see through clones as stated by madara.

4. Naruto need to be in close-mid range to use chakra arms, point 2 in my OP prevents him in doing that.

 

[Exaar]

1. EMS sasuke can activate amaterasu much more faster than MS sasuke due to no strain towards the body. EMS have improved by alot in amaterasu usage than MS sasuke, that is the point i want to make. Amaterasu's speed by itself is not effected since its instant anyway.

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Kabuto is quite fast for dodging something, which kakashi couldn't even react to.

3. People's reaction speed are different but current sasuke possess eyes superior to itachi and obito, so maybe his body reaction might not be better, but his eyes (in speed aswell), and that is all which required for amaterasu. Also his reaction speed get affected when he is constantly experiencing strain from using MS.
Obito/Madara not praising him for his speed proves the point that sharingan users of there level don't have any difficulty in keeping up with him.

I don't think splitting into clones effects one's speed, as speed depends on one's body and not on one's chakra. Every one of them had KM/BM cloak on hence their speed would be same as the original unlike their chakra.

As for your last argument,

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1. Lets say for arguments sake you are right, It still isn't enough to hit neither Naruto nor A. Aslong as the person can escape the users line of sight, They can dodge amaterasu. Let alone adding it naruto's sensing abilities.

2. Kakashi did react to the arrow, He kamuied it. Danzo Reacted to the Arrow, He used mokuton to change it's course.

I Fail to see why you think simply because he did a 360 Amaterasu against kabuto, He can do it against A/Naruto. Using Kabuto dodging sasukes arrow as a argument is pointless since both A/Naruto can dodged it quite easily themselves.

3. Basically creating clones Half the chakra you have, But to create the chakra for that Tech you need to convert stamina into chakra.
So the real one and the one clone will have 50% stamina, The lower your stamina the easier you fatigue/Tire, So naruto at say 1/13th of his normal chakra/stamina level cannot use nor keep up the speeds he used to dodge the raikage without tiring out very quickly.

4. I fail yo see why you posted the scan of the raikages arm on fire, When he was not hit by it, He himself chose to punch through sasuke's amaterasu covered susanoo.

 

[Retsu]

Raikage dodged it and naruto is faster than him, therefore naruto can easily dodge it.

 

[6ari8]

first of all, your sig is funny xD
now onto topic,

1. Raikage don't have that, too bad for him. Naruto's chakra hands' power doesn't rival raikage's powerful punches. There would have scratched the susano at best.

2. Keep in mind, it is not necessary that there can be only one indication against amaterasu. What i am saying is true and what you are saying is also true, both are correct. BUT there is still one problem , what nagato sensed wasn't even amaterasu, if you flipped to the next few pages , you would know it was actually Kotoamatsukami .

3. The more the number of clones, the weaker they are(individually) . Naruto would be the one who would be wasting chakra. Also, EMS can see through clones as stated by madara.

4. Naruto need to be in close-mid range to use chakra arms, point 2 in my OP prevents him in doing that.

Thanks!

1. Naruto's chakra arms are either as strong or stronger than the Raikage's punches, easily.

2. No. Itachi attempted to do Amaterasu, only THEN that Kotoamatsukami activated. Itachi clearly said that they would only activate if his eyes attempted to attack Naruto. Kotoamatsukami was activated by the crow, not Itachi. Nagato sensed Itachi.

3. That's true, but Sasuke doesn't rival Naruto in stamina so If he makes it a battle of stamina and chakra dissipation, he would absolutely lose so that's why I said it doesn't matter. And no, MS and EMS do not see through clones. If it did, he would've known that Bee had pulled one on him when he took him back to Tobi. Madara said he was the ONLY one who could see though hashirama's clones with his eye techs. You can't generalize that to every user. Also, we don't know if he was lying since he apparently died because he was tricked by a wood clone.

4. I don't see how it prevents him from doing that, Naruto is fast enough that Sasuke can't catch him and assuming he does, that doesn't make a difference, he can wrap himself with his chakra cloak and attack him. Don't forget that he can use underground attacks with his chakra arms too.

 

[Renpatsu Dei]

If Naruto can stay out of Sasuke's line of vision, it will be easily dodged, the flames appear where the user focuses, Sasuke's eyes probably don't move as fast as Naruto so I doubt he can focus on him, and using enton slows down the flames even more so I doubt he'll hit him

 

[HadouKage]

Naruto has never shown to sense amaterasu . Seems like even the greatest sensor can't sense amaterasu.
if you are talking about speed, amaterasu is instant .
3rd raikage's hell stab =/= amaterasu. (and this is also off topic)

Wrong, Ama travels, it's not instant
FTG is instant, the two are not comparable

 

[HadouKage]

This thread is full of speculation LOL

 

[Kronnic]

Dude he is Naruto.. He can dodge it because of plot.. On a serious tip.. you can't hit what you can't see. Naruto will have a counter for all Sasuke's jutsus.

 

[Neutra1 Knight]

I still dont see why this is even being discussed.

only ignorant fanboys would think Sasuke's eyes could follow Naruto.