The Databook Is Now Wrong About Susano'o

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Inichi Matsuka

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Sasuke's never directly used Tsukuyomi though o_O Or at least it was never strong enough to even be considered Tsukuyomi.
 

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Sasuke's explanation.
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Sasuke's words > Databook.
 

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Your theory is garbage, because if you go by the databook, it says Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu need to be mastered to acheive Susano'o.




Scans or gtfo.

thats what im saying dumb****
did u even take time to read it?
 

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Sasuke's explanation.
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Sasuke's words > Databook.

...What?
You know Sasuke is just a character right? Kishimoto can change the laws within the universe or gradually improve upon them if he wanted to. It's not like Sasuke would be aware of that, so saying that is pretty invalid ._.
 

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...What?
You know Sasuke is just a character right? Kishimoto can change the laws within the universe or gradually improve upon them if he wanted to. It's not like Sasuke would be aware of that, so saying that is pretty invalid ._.
You should know by now that Manga > Outdated/ Databook.
 

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sasuke clearly said you need both mangekyou EYES to use it, he never said tsukiyomi nor amaterasu also, all of you who doubt should know by now the MANGA CHANGES IT DONT STAY THE SAME THUS THAT DATABOOK IS OUTDATED. AND EACH UCHIHA IS UNIQUE

that book"s story about tobi'S is changed, he is obito a change in the manga! also we have seen other uchihas have other powers! we see obito with kamui! and shisui with KA. we never see other uchihas with those moves, you dont see sasuke using kamui! also the susanoo is also diffferent!

LOOK at madara"s susanoo and sasuke and itachi's own! clearly different ones, madara"s susanoo has legs! sasuke susanoo has a bow! we never see that in madara"s nor itachi"s own, even the susanoos are different so please read the manga before standing on something that is clearly months maybe year ago
 

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This is just a theory but i believe each family tree shares their own unique powers

for example

itachi family has amaterasu.

we only see sasuke and itachi using the move

and obito family has S/T

obito uses kamui
 

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The very fact that he has Susano'o is proof that he has it. Kishi himself said only those who have awakened both Amaterasu and Tsukiyomi can have Susano'o. You can speculate and argue all you want, but Kishi himself has shot your shit down. You're just flogging a dead horse.

I disagree. Data book is obviously outdated,which makes it wrong.
 

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All I see here is a misunderstanding of the Material written in the Databook.

When Susano'o first appeared in the Manga it was Itachi's Susano'o hence the highlights on Totsuka no Tsurugi and Yata no kagami. The Databook says that Only when the user has unlocked both Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi, then Susano'o is able to surface. The fact that Sasuke also could not have used Susano'o before showing use of and which is in accordance with the Databook which states that the user must have unlocked both before unlocking the 3rd particulary, being 'Susano'o'.

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Itachi stated the other powers were the catalyst in him awakening Susanoo. The databook and Sasuke are merely repeating what he said:
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Sasuke: *pant* // *pant* // ...Susanoo...?
Itachi: "Tsukuyomi" and "Amaterasu"... / ...When I awakened to those two abilities, there was one more jutsu within these eyes.


Sasuke's statement is merely a regurgitation of Itachi's (note Third Power):

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Enton: Kagu-tsuchi was the name of the flames as a cutting jutsu. However, it has always been a case where Kishimoto doesn't name the jutsu until after the flames had become some kind of cutting weapon.

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Its no different from Itachi's Version of Tsukuyomi being called "Nightmare Realm" as it is an advanced form of 'Tsukuyomi'.
 
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Madaras the strongest? Hah no. Itachi can control space and time I side his. His is best. Sasukes is a joke. And madaras genjutsu wasn't shown to be very special when used on raikage

But sasuke broke Itachi's Ms tsukuyomi with a regular sharingan so how is tsukuyomi so tough because he caught the knock off sharingan user Kakashi with it, or 12 year old Sasuke. Ijs these are his feats
 

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All I see here is a misunderstanding of the Material written in the Databook.

When Susano'o first appeared in the Manga it was Itachi's Susano'o hence the highlights on Totsuka no Tsurugi and Yata no kagami. The Databook says that Only when the user has unlocked both Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi, then Susano'o is able to surface. The fact that Sasuke also could not have used Susano'o before showing use of and which is in accordance with the Databook which states that the user must have unlocked both before unlocking the 3rd particulary, being 'Susano'o'.



Itachi stated the other powers were the catalyst in him awakening Susanoo. The databook and Sasuke are merely repeating what he said:


Sasuke's statement is merely a regurgitation of Itachi's (note Third Power):



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Enton: Kagu-tsuchi was the name of the flames as a cutting jutsu. However, it has always been a case where Kishimoto doesn't name the jutsu until after the flames had become some kind of cutting weapon.



Its no different from Itachi's Version of Tsukuyomi being called "Nightmare Realm" as it is an advanced form of 'Tsukuyomi'.

^ Pretty much this
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Those two things that itachi acquired are for himself only no-one else can unlock them,Kishi himself stated that you must unlock Amaterasu and Tsukiyomi to unlock Susano'o hence why Obito does not have it and he has something better suited for himself.
 

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I had made a similar thread a while back proving that the Databook entry was Itachi specific and as the manga suggest with Double Mangekyo one could awaken the Susanoo, but I was flamed U_U

There's no hope.
 

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This is obvious. Anybody who disagrees only has an outdated databook concerning Itachi's susanoo to refer to U_U.
 

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Agreed.... It's outdated...
First, it was said that Susanoo is MS's 3rd power following Tsukiyomi & Amaterasu... And now we have multiple MS techs!!
 

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The reason why I see Ama and Tsuku is required for Susan is not just because of PDG's post, but also Kishimoto's intent of portraying Shintoist's and Japanese Mythological references.

Izanagi gave birth to "three noble children" {Amaterasu(Sun Goddess), Tsukyomi(Moon God), and Susanoo(Storm Summer)}, when he cleanse himself of his sins and pollutants in the underworld of Yomi. Tsukuyomi was born from Izanagi's right eye when he clean it, Amatarasu from the left eye, and Susanoo from the nose. If you look closely, the latter being Susanoo was born after Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi. The three children were the results of the last step of purification of Izanagi when he exited Yomi(hell/underworld).

The chart here should sum up Izanagi's Purification Ceremony and the deities that were created out of it.
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And the link of the story should be here, more specially about the Purification of Izanagi.


Kishimoto want to portrayed Susanoo, Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi being adjacent together like the three children. How? He does it through the users using all three of those powers together. He made it the fact that Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi are required for Susanoo due to Susanoo being born the latest after the two former. Madara not having Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi to me is clearly out of Kishimoto's characteristic of portraying mythological and religious references he has been making. It seems he wanted the way the chart on the bottom right is being showed. That's the reason why I personally think Susanoo requires Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi.
 

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Like I said before, nothing has proven it wrong. Just cuz it came out a while ago, it doesn't automatically make it wrong.

Sasuke nor Madara's Susanoo wields the Totsuka Blade; Sasuke never mastered Tsukyomi.

Databook is clearly wrong.
 
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