Discussion; Does Madara have Amaterasu?

[BlinkST]

You still have no proof that the databook wasnt talking about itachi.

What sort of "proof" are you looking for? There's no point in Itachi being specific as far as what awakens the Susanoo if it wouldn't apply to other people later down the line.

I already stated that if you take the databooks word for fact then you also take in the fact that all susanoo users also wield

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I'm sure whatever armament the Susanoo carries, will ultimately boil down to what the user decided it should use in whatever situation.

........So that contradicts your earlier statement...

No, I'm stating Shisui could not use Susanoo, because he did not possess Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi, while simultaneously refuting your idea that awakening Susanoo has anything to do with noteworthy skill.

If it did have something to do with those jutsus then Itachi wouldnt be surprised, further proving that itachi was just surprised at sasuke's progress....??

Itachi wouldn't be surprised at Sasuke being able to use an ocular jutsu that is largely dependent on his emotions rather than skill.

 

[Itachi Hatake]

You are phrasing Ad Ignorantiam. It's advisable that you research Tsukuyomi and how it differs from Itachi's version which is translated 'Moon Eater' for your own intellectual benefit before making silly claims such as the bold.

Once again, you have no counter. All of you depend on that data book. In your mind tobi is still obito. Dumbass. Honestly I don't understand what's so hard about it. I've already told you in other threads that sasuke MS techs are Amaterasu and Enton Kagutsuchi. There are two (2) MS techs that every Susanoo user has.

Itachi has Amaterasu and Tsukoyomi. sasuke has Amaterasu and Kagutsuchi. Madara hasn't shown either of his.

Danzig never said that Sasukes Tsukuyomi is inferior to Itachi's Tsukuyomi. HE stated "YOUR GENJUTSU IS INFERIOR TO ITACHI'S TSUKUYOMI!!! Why did he say that? Because it would make sense that he's seen Itachi's Tsukoyomi that any other genjutsu pales in comparison.

Now show me a scan from the manga going against my argument or just admit defeat for once imbecile.

 

[BlinkST]

Enton: Kagu-tsuchi can't count as a stand-alone ocular jutsu for obvious reasons. Sasuke created that jutsu.

 

[HadouKage]

Yes, because Susano'o = Amazerasu + Tsukoyumi

He has Susano'o, I think that answers your question.

He has Susano'o.

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Yes he does its was stated in the data book that u need both ameterasu and tsukuyomi to awaken susanoo, that's why currently only 3 people have susanoo. itachi, sasuke, madara. Obito also has tsukuyomi but he doesn't have ameterasu that's why he couldn't awaken susanoo

He has eternal Mangekyo Sharingan , so he has naturally Amaterasu , but I think since his Susano'o is the strongest of the Uchiha he doesn't need to use Amaterasu.

You guys got any proof of him using Ama?

 

[Waltz]

Once again, you have no counter. All of you depend on that data book. In your mind tobi is still obito. Dumbass. Honestly I don't understand what's so hard about it. I've already told you in other threads that sasuke MS techs are Amaterasu and Enton Kagutsuchi. There are two (2) MS techs that every Susanoo user has.

Itachi has Amaterasu and Tsukoyomi. sasuke has Amaterasu and Kagutsuchi. Madara hasn't shown either of his.


Danzig never said that Sasukes Tsukuyomi is inferior to Itachi's Tsukuyomi. HE stated "YOUR GENJUTSU IS INFERIOR TO ITACHI'S TSUKUYOMI!!! Why did he say that? Because it would make sense that he's seen Itachi's Tsukoyomi that any other genjutsu pales in comparison.

Now show me a scan from the manga going against my argument or just admit defeat for once imbecile.

Enton: Kagutsuchi or Blaze Release is where the user exerts control over the pinnacle of Katon-based Ninjutsu; Amaterasu. By administrating Keitai Henka to Amaterasu, the user is able then able to manipulate its existence; determining the purpose of the technique. It is merely an advanced variant of Amaterasu that Sasuke himself created. The Genjutsu Sasuke cast on Danzo was derived from his Mangekyou Sharingan deeming it Tsukuyomi; as it is Genjutsu secluded to Uchiha who possess a Double Mangekyou.

 

[BlinkST]

Enton: Kagutsuchi or Blaze Release is where the user exerts control over the pinnacle of Katon-based Ninjutsu; Amaterasu. By administrating Keitai Henka to Amaterasu, the user is able then able to manipulate its existence; determining the purpose of the technique. It is merely an advanced variant of Amaterasu that Sasuke himself created. The Genjutsu Sasuke cast on Danzo was derived from his Mangekyou Sharingan deeming it Tsukuyomi; as it is Genjutsu secluded to Uchiha who possess a Double Mangekyou.

If you're going to agree Enton: Kagu-tsuchi is merely the power to change the chakra form of the flames, you're just going to give them more ammo.

I always assumed "Enton: Kagu-tsuchi" was the name of the flames as a cutting jutsu. If Enton: Kagu-tsuchi was merely the power to change the chakra form of the flames, I believe Kishimoto would have sequenced it more clearly. As in, Sasuke thinks "Enton: Kagu-tsuchi!" and the flames transform. However, it has always been a case where he doesn't name the jutsu until after the flames had become some kind of cutting weapon.

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There's also the whole business of the element hierarchy that implies additional jutsu. If it was a case where one power was simply being changed into different forms, then there would be no need for the Enton wording, as that would be misleading.

 

[TenthHokagexRamen]

No. Just cause sasuke and itachi needed it doesn't mean every uchiha needs too. Also every sharigan has thier own special abilities.

 

[Waltz]

If you're going to agree Enton: Kagu-tsuchi is merely the power to change the chakra form of the flames, you're just going to give them more ammo.

I always assumed "Enton: Kagu-tsuchi" was the name of the flames as a cutting jutsu. If Enton: Kagu-tsuchi was merely the power to change the chakra form of the flames, I believe Kishimoto would have sequenced it more clearly. As in, Sasuke thinks "Enton: Kagu-tsuchi!" and the flames transform. However, it has always been a case where he doesn't name the jutsu until after the flames had become some kind of cutting weapon.

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There's also the whole business of the element hierarchy that implies additional jutsu. If it was a case where one power was simply being changed into different forms, then there would be no need for the Enton wording, as that would be misleading.

I hadn't noticed the 'cutting' scan; what you say seems more plausible.

 

[Itachi Hatake]

Enton: Kagutsuchi or Blaze Release is where the user exerts control over the pinnacle of Katon-based Ninjutsu; Amaterasu. By administrating Keitai Henka to Amaterasu, the user is able then able to manipulate its existence; determining the purpose of the technique. It is merely an advanced variant of Amaterasu that Sasuke himself created. The Genjutsu Sasuke cast on Danzo was derived from his Mangekyou Sharingan deeming it Tsukuyomi; as it is Genjutsu secluded to Uchiha who possess a Double Mangekyou.

And you failed again once more. Post the scan please otherwise you're running in circles. Madara casted a genjutsu on the raikage and he has a double MS, was that Tsukuyomi also?

 

[Itachi Hatake]

Enton: Kagu-tsuchi can't count as a stand-alone ocular jutsu for obvious reasons. Sasuke created that jutsu.

Then why does he cast it with his other eye as Shee stated while analyzing the battle between Sasuke and the Raikage? He actually says Sasuke casts Amaterasu with his left eye and manipulates the flames with his right eye.

 

[BlinkST]

Then why does he cast it with his other eye as Shee stated while analyzing the battle between Sasuke and the Raikage?

Shee didn't say he casted a jutsu. He said his eye's ability is to transform Amaterasu's flames into whatever he wants, not that his eye's jutsu is to transform Amaterasu into whatever he wants. Enton: Kagu-tsuchi was the flames transformed into a cutting jutsu. Sasuke does not use the Enton: Kagu-tsuchi terminology for anything else.

 

[Itachi Hatake]

Shee didn't say he casted a jutsu. He said his eye's ability is to transform Amaterasu's flames into whatever he wants, not that his eye's jutsu is to transform Amaterasu into whatever he wants. Enton: Kagu-tsuchi was the flames transformed into a cutting jutsu. Sasuke does not use the Enton: Kagu-tsuchi terminology for anything else.

So be clear, are you not agreeing that he controls the flames with his other eye?

 

[BlinkST]

So be clear, are you not agreeing that he controls the flames with his other eye?

I'm disagreeing that it's the jutsu of that eye. That's the difference.

 

[Waltz]

And you failed again once more. Post the scan please otherwise you're running in circles. Madara casted a genjutsu on the raikage and he has a double MS, was that Tsukuyomi also?

Apparently you are inefficient to keep a joint discussion as you keep altering your argument. Madara wields an advanced form of 'Tsukuyomi'; Mugen Tsukuyomi [

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] which should be no surprise as it is the Genjutsu He intends to use for Global domination. If you wish to refuse such facts, you may continue to dwell in ignorance.

 

[Itachi Hatake]

Apparently you are inefficient to keep a joint discussion as you keep altering your argument. Madara wields an advanced form of 'Tsukuyomi'; Mugen Tsukuyomi [

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] which should be no surprise as it is the Genjutsu He intends to use for Global domination. If you wish to refuse such facts, you may continue to dwell in ignorance.

Lol okay man and you still dance around the question without answering. If he has tsukuyomi why didnt he use it on anybody in any fight that weve seen him in.? From my understanding obito was still going to do the moons eye plan regardless of madara being there so are you saying that obito has Tsukuyomi also?

 

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Difficult to tell.

 

[BlinkST]

From my understanding obito was still going to do the moons eye plan regardless of madara being there so are you saying that obito has Tsukuyomi also?

Obito would've gained Tsukuyomi by possessing the chakra.

well i roughly finished the trans

"the resurrection of jubi!
and ill be the jinchuriki of jubi"
"I’ll utilize the power (of jibi) to expand my own ocular power
…to activate a certain jutsu. "
"its a grand illusion that projects one’s(=the casters) own eye(/s) onto the moon"
"the mugen tsukuyomi…"

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