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FTG is so fast that even Obito's kamui is incapable to react despite Sharingan precognition. I doubt Gaara's sand would be able to react fast enough to protect him personally. We've already seen since part1 that super high speed could penetrate his defense. And FTG surpasses high speed movements. He won't even have time to react. Yeah you may say that Gaara improved since back then, but his sand barrier is automatic. I don't see how Gaara improved that

Furthermore, Gaara's sand has the bad habit to contain everything someone throws at him(Kunais, Shurikens or Mizukage's oil for example). Because of this, with the amount of kunais that would be around him at the time his defense would block them, Minato could easily appear next to him and either finish him directly or even if he doesn't, he would get marked, which would signify the end of the fight.

Obito got attacked because he was supprised, the same he got hit by Amaterasu. while someone who sees through FTG and is anticipating the attack, it doesn't work as well, shown in Killer Bee's case.

Gaara in part 2 is a lot stronger than part 1, and he can surround himself with a ball of sand that leaves him with no opening, if he figures out Minato can teleport to his kunai, which of course he's smart enough to, since A figured it out, then I'm sure he won't be holding the Kunais in the sand, and make those sand surround him after, he's not that dumb.
 

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well I believe Gaara can't beat Itachi as well but that's not the topic, I won't mind talking about it thou. however I believe he can beat Minato.

well,since we both agree he beats minato,lets see about itachi then,OP did say he beats itachi didnt he??

@ champ,an essay?right now the thread favours me,so no need,until it dosent. Ofcourse i see a person trying to change that,(he knows himself) and i'l deal with him after i am done with gucci.
 

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well,since we both agree he beats minato,lets see about itachi then,OP did say he beats itachi didnt he??

@ champ,an essay?right now the thread favours me,so no need,until it dosent. Ofcourse i see a person trying to change that,(he knows himself) and i'l deal with him after i am done with gucci.

Lmao. Nice bait hahaha. I don't want to start a run around thread. I already know you'll make things up.

Databook Ninjutsu Taijutsu Genjutsu Intelligence Strength Speed Stamina Hand seals Total
First 3.5 1 2.5 2.5 1 2 4 3.5 20
Second 4.5 2 2.5 3.5 2 3 5 4 26.5
Third 5 2 3.5 4 2.5 3 5 4 29

"Ephermeral - Itachi seemingly activates this technique by simply pointing at his target. When the technique was used on Naruto Uzumaki, crows flocked from Itachi and turned into shuriken that bombarded him, and then attempted to put him to sleep. When he resisted the sleep command, Naruto then experienced the sensation of his body parts turning into his closest friends who then tortured him psychologically."

Goodluck with that 3.5 Genjutsu skill gaara.
 

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Lmao. Nice bait hahaha. I don't want to start a run around thread. I already know you'll make things up.

Databook Ninjutsu Taijutsu Genjutsu Intelligence Strength Speed Stamina Hand seals Total
First 3.5 1 2.5 2.5 1 2 4 3.5 20
Second 4.5 2 2.5 3.5 2 3 5 4 26.5
Third 5 2 3.5 4 2.5 3 5 4 29

"Ephermeral - Itachi seemingly activates this technique by simply pointing at his target. When the technique was used on Naruto Uzumaki, crows flocked from Itachi and turned into shuriken that bombarded him, and then attempted to put him to sleep. When he resisted the sleep command, Naruto then experienced the sensation of his body parts turning into his closest friends who then tortured him psychologically."

Goodluck with that 3.5 Genjutsu skill gaara.

sand sensing allows gaara to easily face itachi while breaking the genjutsu,finger genjutsu isnt a strong one,even naruto was breaking free,what ratings of genjutsu was naruto around that time?. Also he can just have his sand break his finger. This is assuming gaara dosent start with his sand sphere and 3rd eye from the start,seeing as itachi's genjuts prowess is what makes him very dangerous

He had full intel on FTG. Impossible to be surprised.

no he didnt,he hadnt seen minato since he got his body crushed,if he had full intel on ftg,he would not have missed minato the first time,and would have known about ftg level 2,which he didnt.
 

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sand sensing allows gaara to easily face itachi while breaking the genjutsu,finger genjutsu isnt a strong one,even naruto was breaking free,what ratings of genjutsu was naruto around that time?. Also he can just have his sand break his finger. This is assuming gaara dosent start with his sand sphere and 3rd eye from the start,seeing as itachi's genjuts prowess is what makes him very dangerous


no he didnt,he hadnt seen minato since he got his body crushed,if he had full intel on ftg,he would not have missed minato the first time,and would have known about ftg level 2,which he didnt.


:leaf: genjutsu, which affects the brain through the use of the target's senses or through the optic nerve which connects the eye to the brain, which is coincidentally what the 3rd eye is connected to, won't work because it just won't. Sorry, I forget.

You'd have to make up feats for gaara to remotely stand a chance against itachi.
Naruto was a 2 in genjutsu back then. Not a far cry from gaara's 3.5. Even a perfect jin gets hit by itachi's genjutsu XD

EDIT: Not even talking about tsukuyomi
 

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no he didnt,he hadnt seen minato since he got his body crushed,if he had full intel on ftg,he would not have missed minato the first time,and would have known about ftg level 2,which he didnt.

F's sake, he was Minato's student. He -knew- about FTG more than anyone else.

He also -SAW- Minato when he FTG'd and even so couldn't activate Kamui in time.
 

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:leaf: genjutsu, which affects the brain through the use of the target's senses or through the optic nerve which connects the eye to the brain, which is coincidentally what the 3rd eye is connected to, won't work because it just won't. Sorry, I forget.

You'd have to make up feats for gaara to remotely stand a chance against itachi.
Naruto was a 2 in genjutsu back then. Not a far cry from gaara's 3.5. Even a perfect jin gets hit by itachi's genjutsu XD

EDIT: Not even talking about tsukuyomi

sand eye is made out of sand,itachi can place genjutsu on and now?:leaf::leaf:,it is an artificial eye,not a real oneXD,sharingan genjutsu requires DIRECT eye contact between both parties,and 3rd eye is not direct eye contact,it is using an artificial eye to spy on someone,if you destroy it,gaara's eye wont be affected. How would itachi even know where to look?XD,he hid it so well that muu,a sensor cudnt find it,itachi is not a sensor and has to look around to find the eye,gaara can make it anywhere,behind,above,in hidden corners where itachi wont find it,and itachi would be too busy fightng him to worry about a sand eye!!:leaf:.

Naruto had a 2,which is BELOW Average,gaara has a 3.5 by the outdated 3rd databook,which is ABOVE average,and yet it isnt a good gap?,thats a solid 1.5 gap,add that to gaara's own and you have a 5,which is itachi's own,so it is definately a big gap,and considering the 3.5 is even outdated.

Sand sensing cant be fooled,it will tell gaara where itachi is,just like it did to muu,and then gaara will attack him accordinglyXD.

Tsukiyomi is a close ranged eye genjutsu,gaara faced 5 madara's with a total of 10 sharinfans,and idnt look once,yet a guy with 2 would hit him?:sy:. Sand sphere means no eye contact,sands ensing tells him where itachi is,sand eye spies on him,and sand techs destroy him,


F's sake, he was Minato's student. He -knew- about FTG more than anyone else.

He also -SAW- Minato when he FTG'd and even so couldn't activate Kamui in time.

he was minato's student when he was a kid,so minato didnt improve at all since then?,and just because he was his student,dosent mean he had complete intel. He was obviously not aware of ftg lvl 2,or the rate at which minato could use his ftg as he escaped his warping. Ofcourse he cudn activate kamui in time,ftg is instant,he saw it,but his body cant react,minato's ftg lvl 2 was too fast, he was 14 or so IIRC at that time wasnt he,ow could he have reacted to an ftg attack at that time?. He saw it due to his sharingan,but could not react in time due to the speed of the jutsu. Didnt rin also think mina2o's ftg was a shushin?
 

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well,since we both agree he beats minato,lets see about itachi then,OP did say he beats itachi didnt he??

yea I guess Itachi was mentioned.
unlike Minato, Itachi has very strong long range attack as well as elemental attacks, water release + yasaka yamatama can possibly break the sand, and skeleton Susanoo has shown blocking Gaara's sand attack. plus is Toksuka Blade blockable? since it's not physical, if not then Gaara making himself stationary is very dangerous.
 

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yea I guess Itachi was mentioned.
unlike Minato, Itachi has very strong long range attack as well as elemental attacks, water release + yasaka yamatama can possibly break the sand, and skeleton Susanoo has shown blocking Gaara's sand attack. plus is Toksuka Blade blockable? since it's not physical, if not then Gaara making himself stationary is very dangerous.

gaara blocked a meteor attack,as well as 5 susanoo swords,so his magatamas wont be a problem. Itachi's elemental attacks arent that strong.

Totsuka might be etheral,but it also reacts with physical things and functions as a physical weapon. Or else,susanoo which is a physical manifestation of the user's chakra would not be able to wield it,also when it sabbed oro,oro didnt think it was anything more than a normal susanoo sword,until it started sealing him,oro also looked for the sword,which means it is a physical weapon that seals.

So it can be blocked. Also gaara can fly too,which means the sword wont even reach him.
 

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It is shown that speed is the direct counter to Gaara, Minato is top 3 fastest shinobi, I don't think there is much else to be said
 

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sand eye is made out of sand,itachi can place genjutsu on and now?:leaf::leaf:,it is an artificial eye,not a real oneXD,sharingan genjutsu requires DIRECT eye contact between both parties,and 3rd eye is not direct eye contact,it is using an artificial eye to spy on someone,if you destroy it,gaara's eye wont be affected. How would itachi even know where to look?XD,he hid it so well that muu,a sensor cudnt find it,itachi is not a sensor and has to look around to find the eye,gaara can make it anywhere,behind,above,in hidden corners where itachi wont find it,and itachi would be too busy fightng him to worry about a sand eye!!:leaf:.

Naruto had a 2,which is BELOW Average,gaara has a 3.5 by the outdated 3rd databook,which is ABOVE average,and yet it isnt a good gap?,thats a solid 1.5 gap,add that to gaara's own and you have a 5,which is itachi's own,so it is definately a big gap,and considering the 3.5 is even outdated.

Sand sensing cant be fooled,it will tell gaara where itachi is,just like it did to muu,and then gaara will attack him accordinglyXD.

Tsukiyomi is a close ranged eye genjutsu,gaara faced 5 madara's with a total of 10 sharinfans,and idnt look once,yet a guy with 2 would hit him?:sy:. Sand sphere means no eye contact,sands ensing tells him where itachi is,sand eye spies on him,and sand techs destroy him,




he was minato's student when he was a kid,so minato didnt improve at all since then?,and just because he was his student,dosent mean he had complete intel. He was obviously not aware of ftg lvl 2,or the rate at which minato could use his ftg as he escaped his warping. Ofcourse he cudn activate kamui in time,ftg is instant,he saw it,but his body cant react,minato's ftg lvl 2 was too fast, he was 14 or so IIRC at that time wasnt he,ow could he have reacted to an ftg attack at that time?. He saw it due to his sharingan,but could not react in time due to the speed of the jutsu. Didnt rin also think mina2o's ftg was a shushin?

See what i mean? You'd make things up :leaf:

gaara blocked a meteor attack,as well as 5 susanoo swords,so his magatamas wont be a problem. Itachi's elemental attacks arent that strong.

Totsuka might be etheral,but it also reacts with physical things and functions as a physical weapon. Or else,susanoo which is a physical manifestation of the user's chakra would not be able to wield it,also when it sabbed oro,oro didnt think it was anything more than a normal susanoo sword,until it started sealing him,oro also looked for the sword,which means it is a physical weapon that seals.

So it can be blocked. Also gaara can fly too,which means the sword wont even reach him.
The sand reacted, but those susano'o still blasted gaara away and hurt him. you make it seem like he just blocked it and jumped back. they blew him away lmao.
 
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gaara blocked a meteor attack,as well as 5 susanoo swords,so his magatamas wont be a problem. Itachi's elemental attacks arent that strong.

Totsuka might be etheral,but it also reacts with physical things and functions as a physical weapon. Or else,susanoo which is a physical manifestation of the user's chakra would not be able to wield it,also when it sabbed oro,oro didnt think it was anything more than a normal susanoo sword,until it started sealing him,oro also looked for the sword,which means it is a physical weapon that seals.

So it can be blocked. Also gaara can fly too,which means the sword wont even reach him.

Gaara's sand didn't really stop the meteor alone, Onoki had a lot to do with it, and I believe 5 Susanoo swords was enough to break through the sand. Gaara and Onoki together stopped Madara's magatamas, I don't know if Gaara himself can stop Itachi's version, if he does, he might needs to leave himself open for that.

I guess for Totsuka blade, it's gonna penetrate first to seal, so Gaara counters that pretty nice, but he still can't catch Itachi, who has Sharingan and Susanoo. Itachi the master of deceiving people can even make Gaara focus on a crow clone then attack from blind spots or where the defense is the weakest, if Itachi breaks the defense, it's over.
 

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It is shown that speed is the direct counter to Gaara, Minato is top 3 fastest shinobi, I don't think there is much else to be said

Think a bit about what you're saying...They all got beaten(Lee,Mizukage's clon)
 

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It has been shown that gamabunta is gaara's only weakness XD
 

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Feats and hype suggest that Minato is much stronger than Gaara .

So not sure if serious @ OP.
 
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