Discussion About The Hokages (The Best and Worst)

[NagazuDead]

Discussion About The Hokages (The Best and Worst)

There are many discussion about this and many threads but i just wanna tell you something...

We can't say who's the better or worse...
Tsunade is clearly the worst hokage (doesn't mean that she is bad)
Hashirama is obivious that he is the best hokage (recived the title of God of Shinobi, fought against Madara).
Tobirama we do not know much about except his Hirashigiri and speed + Water and sense skills.
Hiruzen we yet don't know much about him in his prime but he was also called God Of Shinobi.
Minato we don't know his natural transformation or his other abilities, but we know about his FTG, speed and reaction + rasengan + his taijutsu and intellegence.

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Minato vs Hiruzen... it will be hard to say, it has said to be the most uncertain match, it depends on how they are doing and if one of them is in bad mood , the other wins, if not... It's opposite.
Hiruzen knows all of Leaf Village abillities over 1000 spells.

Minato vs Tobirama... Tobirama wins i think (my thought) because of his FTG, skills and water tec. Minato is fast but Tobirama is fast 2. I think Tobirama would win because of his sense-skills (he can sense where Minato is and counter all of his abilities).

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Hashirama is the best hokage yet and god of shinobi, no thoughts about him but the best over the hokages.

Tsunade is yet the worst hokage yet and grand daughter of Hashirama, makes her one of the strongest kuniochi and her superior strengh is threatning many shinobi. But loses to all of the other Hokages. She is wellknown of his title of the three legendary sannins, with Jiraya and Orochimaru. She is the best healer in the shinobi world.

Summonings... Every hokage (i think) has got summoning except Tobirama (We dont know).
Minato got toads, Tsunade with slugs, Hiruzen with Monkey Enma and 1st Hokage he got the Sennin Mode (Wooden) with his 1000 hands tecnique. We don't know if Minato had Sage mode or 3rd Hokage or even Tsunade... It isn't revailed so it's hard to say.

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The Conclusion
1.Hashirama
2.Tobirama
3.Hiruzen(most possibilities, we dont know)/Minato
4.Minato(most possibilities, we don't know)/Hiruzen
5.Tsunade

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[KingHashirama]

Minato as a Leader did the least.

And also, only 3 Hokages have summonings , Tsunade, Hiruzen, Minato. The First Hokage does not and the second.


Tsunade is a better Hokage then even Hiruzen.


And are you talking about VS or what?

 

[92Uchiha92]

Minato as a Leader did the least.

And also, only 3 Hokages have summonings , Tsunade, Hiruzen, Minato. The First Hokage does not and the second.

Then what do you call Hashirama's 1000 hand jutsu? thats obviously a summon..

 

[KingHashirama]

Then what do you call Hashirama's 1000 hand jutsu? thats obviously a summon..

That is his creation. Not a summoning. Summoning always has a "Kuchiyose no Jutsu".

 

[Exaar]

Minato has the same feat as Tobirama is the Tracking/Sensing department

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[Slug Princess Tsunade]

Hiruzen was a failure, yet you claim he is a better Hokage then Tsunade? Wow.

 

[Badapdos]

Minato as a Leader did the least.

And also, only 3 Hokages have summonings , Tsunade, Hiruzen, Minato. The First Hokage does not and the second.


Tsunade is a better Hokage then even Hiruzen.


And are you talking about VS or what?

He does have summoning.
How could he have summoned Quintuple Rashōmon?

How could he be called "God of Shinobi"
If he can't summon.

 

[kristofer 8]

The 3rd wasn't a faliure. He held the position longer, was the hokage that stabilized the leaf village as a power house, lead the leaf in 2 wars, stopped the destruction of the leaf, labeled God of shinobi of his time, trained the sanin, .....

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

The 3rd wasn't a faliure. He held the position longer, was the hokage that stabilized the leaf village as a power house, lead the leaf in 2 wars, stopped the destruction of the leaf, labeled God of shinobi of his time, trained the sanin, .....

He failed the village... The Uchihas were murdered, Orochimaru almost destroyed Konoha.

 

[NagazuDead]

Hiruzen was a failure, yet you claim he is a better Hokage then Tsunade? Wow.

You underrastimate Hiruzen 2 much , maybe because he was too old and Minato was going to be replaced but died too early... Hiruzen died against Orochimaru because he was too old and he is better hokage than Tsunade. He is still better hokage than Tsunade in "personallity". He spreads The will of fire to everyone in the village, between Tsunade doesn't gives a shit. Nothing against Tsunade but you are so wrong. He wasn't only a Hokage who failed... He was the leader of Leaf Village in third world war and was the one who controlled and made the tactic + strategy + team + was a good really good man. And you still claims that Tsunade is stronger or better than Hiruzen... are u stupid?...

 

[KingHashirama]

He does have summoning.
How could he have summoned Quintuple Rashōmon?

How could he be called "God of Shinobi"
If he can't summon.

He is talking about Living summons that you can get help from.... lol.

You underrastimate Hiruzen 2 much , maybe because he was too old and Minato was going to be replaced but died too early... Hiruzen died against Orochimaru because he was too old and he is better hokage than Tsunade. He is still better hokage than Tsunade in "personallity". He spreads The will of fire to everyone in the village, between Tsunade doesn't gives a shit. Nothing against Tsunade but you are so wrong. He wasn't only a Hokage who failed... He was the leader of Leaf Village in third world war and was the one who controlled and made the tactic + strategy + team + was a good really good man. And you still claims that Tsunade is stronger or better than Hiruzen... are u stupid?...

It is in Hiruzen's reign people like Danzo flurished. It is in Hiruzen's reign where it was ok to kill a shinobi of your own village and hand them to another country. It is in Hiruzen's reign where Orochimaru was done nothing about. Hell noone even tracked after him. In his reign Danzo had more power then the Hokage.. go figure.

Tsunade's reign : Danzo had minimum power over politics and same for the council, People were actually relieved that shes the Hokage meaning she has a high prowess status. And also, she is basically the caretaker of the village.. That should be her nickname.

 

[Hakairyoku]

Discussion About The Hokages (The Best and Worst)


We can't say who's the better or worse...

THIS. I think you're right. I don't believe that there's any real way to tell who's best and who's worst when it comes to how they were as leaders. They all led Konoha during very different times in its history. Each hokage had their strengths and weaknesses, their successes and failures. Even if it came down to who's the best/worst at fighting, I think they're all formidable in their own ways.

 

[NagazuDead]

He failed the village... The Uchihas were murdered, Orochimaru almost destroyed Konoha.

So you want Uchiha to invade Konoha? so ur thinks on the bad side? what happends if Uchiha overtakes Konoha? Bad things will be happening

 

[Exaar]

He failed the village... The Uchihas were murdered, Orochimaru almost destroyed Konoha.

He didn't fail the village, Not once did the leaf fall under his leadership.

Uchiha's were murdered because they posed a threat not only to the leaf but to the entire fire country as obito kindly explained to sasuke. Lets not act like the uchiha's were innocent in all of this.

Key word "Almost", Hiruzen did his job as hokage and prevented him from doing so. While pain succeeded in wiping the village off the face of the earth while the leaf was under her protection.

 

[NagazuDead]

Minato has the same feat as Tobirama is the Tracking/Sensing department

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Doesn't make really sense if Minato is good at sensing... If minato attacks, Tobirama counters... If tobirama attacks, Minato counters. But they are both really fast.. it's hard to say

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

He failed the village... The Uchihas were murdered, Orochimaru almost destroyed Konoha.

yep Orochimaru ALMOST destroyed Konoha
Pain destroyed Konoha
Lol

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

So you want Uchiha to invade Konoha? so ur thinks on the bad side? what happends if Uchiha overtakes Konoha? Bad things will be happening

Kill some random fodders? Kill the Hokage? This isn't a big loss, especially when we are talking about a WHOLE clan.

 

[Exaar]

He is talking about Living summons that you can get help from.... lol.



It is in Hiruzen's reign people like Danzo flurished. It is in Hiruzen's reign where it was ok to kill a shinobi of your own village and hand them to another country. It is in Hiruzen's reign where Orochimaru was done nothing about. Hell noone even tracked after him. In his reign Danzo had more power then the Hokage.. go figure.

You do realize it is Due to people like Danzo that the leaf was protected for so long as it did.

Also, Yes it is ok to give up a shinobi of your own village to another to prevent another shinobi war where countless more will die.
But i Guess 1 Shinobis life > that of a couple of thousand

Doesn't make really sense if Minato is good at sensing... If minato attacks, Tobirama counters... If tobirama attacks, Minato counters. But they are both really fast.. it's hard to say

Both fast yes, But minato has the advantage due to his in-human reaction speeds.

 

[NagazuDead]

Kill some random fodders? Kill the Hokage? This isn't a big loss, especially when we are talking about a WHOLE clan.

And if u read the others reply to this thread u will understand...
+ What did tsunade in her life? Got kicked hard by Pain and nearly died, Naruto comes and saves.

 

[KingHashirama]

You do realize it is Due to people like Danzo that the leaf was protected for so long as it did.

Also, Yes it is ok to give up a shinobi of your own village to another to prevent another shinobi war where countless more will die.
But i Guess 1 Shinobis life > that of a couple of thousand

It was due to people like Sai's brother, Kabuto, Kabuto's mother, Sasuke Sarutobi, The White fang and many other unmentioned names that the leaf was protected.

And also, life = Life. You don't have the right to decide which is a better life. There is always a peaceful solution. Should read some gandhi or other books on peace.

Danzo was fine with the village getting destroyed so idk why your here making him a savior or something due to what he realized on his death bed.

And no it is not Ok. The village Hidden in the Leaf was founded on the basis of Will of Fire. If the Hokage cannot stand up for his own people and acts like a hypocrite giving into the demands of a youngling then it cannot be helped but said that he was no following the basis Konoha was founded on.

What Danzo did was divert a peace negotiation that Yahiko was going to make and made the war longer.

He didn't fail the village, Not once did the leaf fall under his leadership.

Uchiha's were murdered because they posed a threat not only to the leaf but to the entire fire country as obito kindly explained to sasuke. Lets not act like the uchiha's were innocent in all of this.

Key word "Almost", Hiruzen did his job as hokage and prevented him from doing so. While pain succeeded in wiping the village off the face of the earth while the leaf was under her protection.

Orochimaru never went out for a full attack. And Tsunade was betrayed by her own ninja (Danzo and the ROOT). Also, Jiraiya came in to stop some of the sand shinobi.

Leaf wasn't destroyed due to Orochimaru's foolishness =D. 2 world wars occured under his reign. the Rain country destroyed. Yet he spoke about peace.